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On June 04 2017 06:41 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm about to go to dinner but I can go into a bit of detail later tonight.
People I'm liking:
Ritoky
Prison Break
LightningStrike
Conversion. (This one will seem weird. But I liked the tone of his post)
People I'm disliking:
Btdt
Blazinghand (from experience with Blazinghand)
The rest haven't interested me too much. And I think there's been way too much focus on what happened between Tubesock and Tumblewood when neither of their posts were too interesting to me. What don't you like about btdt?
On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote:
RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote:
Early reads:
Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive.
TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.
Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.
Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote:
Hi all!
I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie.It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line.
<3
On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine.
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game.
HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment.
Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage. Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post.
One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not?
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts.
"I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"?
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My "whattheheck" feeling about Conversion keeps growing and growing
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On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote:
Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads.
I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me.
1. You're on a phone
2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation.
3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because"
You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses.
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I don't think anything you're saying about him makes the slightest bit of sense. Sure, he's verbose ans trying to understand why you scum read him for being afk but why does that make him mafia?
I feel like you're dodging the tw thing, the fidei blatantly having a bull shit list thing and everything else to chase not looking scummy newbie guy.
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On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia. re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself
Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing?
Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before?
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On June 04 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think anything you're saying about him makes the slightest bit of sense. Sure, he's verbose ans trying to understand why you scum read him for being afk but why does that make him mafia?
I feel like you're dodging the tw thing, the fidei blatantly having a bull shit list thing and everything else to chase not looking scummy newbie guy.
I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum
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I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?
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On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise
I'm not a vet
I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?
I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght
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HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack.
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stuck on page 11, cooking is done.
ritoky town
hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc
I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched
except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town
but I'm not gonna share this reason
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?
It must be a pain then that the links in the player list are teamliquid.net links? Since tl.net is blocked and only liquidhearth works for you?
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ok. If you're interested in my opinion about something and not only here to give me some shit, feel free to ask me whatever you want. I'll read up pages 11-this once I've eaten.
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?
That's why they pay you the big bucks.
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I have a feeling that TW is town too even though his read on me makes no sense.
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On June 04 2017 23:42 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.
Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? It must be a pain then that the links in the player list are teamliquid.net links? Since tl.net is blocked and only liquidhearth works for you?
Yeh, I have to change the link each time if I want to filter at work. It's fine outside.
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If your entire point is me reading things incorrectly, being able to type well on a phone, and not saying much I'm not sure what to say.
Looking at when I made that post about Tube, he didn't have much to go off of. I was wrong about the read-- ok move on. l
Your argument for me lying about being on a phone is basically "I did it once so he can do it too." That's a bad argument-- is that concise enough?
Also I've been exclusively playing on my phone and am still trying to play-- you disappear for hours, come in and build a bad case against me, and blow off people for questioning your argument's logic and then preface that you're busy, yet again. You keep falling back on the "I'm a bad player" and your reads are basically lynch everyone except two people. If your feeling of me being scum is rising, then have some convinction instead of "lol lynch everyone except my one sure town read and another person that I'm not going to share my reasons with"
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On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote:
Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads.
I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses.
now this is the kind of tunneling I like to see
don't tell me scum is using these points against anyone, because they're not
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