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Blazinghand
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LIke, to be clear:
On June 04 2017 08:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post. There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed. Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from. No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional. If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it. I need to know how Blazinghand gets the number so that I can random lynch in future games. Palmar and I have both been foiled by this before in our random lynchings. HF isn't doing anything noteworthy. Fidei is being overly town read. I think my tone is more dependent on the tone of the thread and who I'm talking to than what alignment I roll.
You already knew this from previous games, so this was a lie.
Also:
On June 04 2017 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not familiar with this thing I'm seeing.
You've seen me RNG in previous games, so this is a lie.
On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID. On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG. On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.
Now you're claiming I "RNG as scum and as town" implying you know about my RNG, which before this game I have explained in detail every time I use it, but earlier you say you are confused by how I get the number. Once again, a lie.
Your story keeps changing, Grack, but I caught you, you might as well give up, scum.
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On June 04 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID. On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG. On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true. I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy.
Show me where I faked lack of knowledge about you RNGing.
I also still don't see any post ID and you haven't shown me where it is.
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID. On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG. On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true. I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy. Show me where I faked lack of knowledge about you RNGing. I also still don't see any post ID and you haven't shown me where it is.
??? Already did, liar. Liar. liar. liar. liar. liar. liar.
liar.
liar.
die.
Also, it's very easy, just right click the timestamp and copy the link address. For example, this post of yours has a link address of "http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26538800" which means the number is "26538800" but i don't know why I'm explaining this to you again.
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The number is gone. It used to be there and it's not there anymore. I've definitely talked about this with Palmar before when we were trying to RNG.
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for the record, Hf, I have seen a small glimmer of mindmeld. I will continue to read grack as I see fit and you all can take a chill pill
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:28 Grackaroni wrote:
The number is gone. It used to be there and it's not there anymore. I've definitely talked about this with Palmar before when we were trying to RNG.
liar.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9Qo5lku.png)
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Blazinghand
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Grackaroni lies as easily as he breathes! He is scum and just trying to distract from the fact that he is scum. He must be lynched.
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lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it.
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it.
haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now.
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"give up, scum" is perhaps the lamest phrase I have ever seen
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:32 Tumblewood wrote:
"give up, scum" is perhaps the lamest phrase I have ever seen
maybe, but you have to admit that Grack's actions are clearly scummy.
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On June 04 2017 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Also BH you know you can't random lynch in newbie games. Plus you never told me how you generated the number. I think the post id disappeared from the old method you used to use.
Stop I can't breathe. The web is too strong.
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On June 04 2017 09:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it. haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now.
fun fact there was one time when I referenced a post by rsoul that didn't exist and rels treated me like this all game
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Also BH you know you can't random lynch in newbie games. Plus you never told me how you generated the number. I think the post id disappeared from the old method you used to use. Stop I can't breathe. The web is too strong.
liar
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:34 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:32 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it. haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now. fun fact there was one time when I referenced a post by rsoul that didn't exist and rels treated me like this all game
was it a pattern of lying about something you already knew?
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On June 04 2017 09:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:32 Tumblewood wrote:
"give up, scum" is perhaps the lamest phrase I have ever seen maybe, but you have to admit that Grack's actions are clearly scummy.
oh noooooo I cannot resist the urge to admit it
this is gonna be one of those games where I'm gonna have to work extra hard to convince anyone of anything
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On June 04 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now.
What about PB's play is similar to you? I was obsing that game, and he seems far less certain and definitive thus far to me.
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On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynch Tumblewood.
Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies
what if we lynched blazinghand
I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is"
Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)?
I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.
All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now.
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Vote: Blazinghand
I get the vote all liars bit, but I think it was clear Grack didn't see how BH got the post number and was wondering if it's changed since his last game with him. I think BH is grossly overeggagerating and misrepresenting things on Grack. Who to be fair hasn't done anything towny, but still.
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On June 04 2017 09:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote:On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now. What about PB's play is similar to you? I was obsing that game, and he seems far less certain and definitive thus far to me.
Maybe I should be comparing his day1 and this game's day1, but I do recall him being very decisive in pushing his reads in the middle of the game. I'd have to filter him specifically, but his jump onto BTDT and explaining his stance on Fibei seemed pretty decisive and certain to me. I may also be recalling only PB's strong posts and not recalling his indecisive ones in either Generic II or this thread
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