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Voted beentheredonethat
Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up.
"shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game."
Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play"
also a lot of other excuses for no play
"I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much"
"no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum"
this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed)
saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either
also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam?
My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now.
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adding to prev post:
yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post
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I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise
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On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise
i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you.
when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected
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I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies
what if we lynched blazinghand
I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is
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specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice
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On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice
who's pushing/scum reading grack? and why is he town?
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On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice
lol I always get lynched off.
But Blazinghand needs to step up his game right now. He's best known for taking pictures of boxes to convince people that he was moving and too busy to post just because he didn't want to post as scum.
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Absolutely nothing to read Grack town for in this game and you're already preemptively doing it before he's said his "analysis that's right on the money".
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 08:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).
I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post. There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed. Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from. No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional. If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it. I need to know how Blazinghand gets the number so that I can random lynch in future games. Palmar and I have both been foiled by this before in our random lynchings. HF isn't doing anything noteworthy. Fidei is being overly town read. I think my tone is more dependent on the tone of the thread and who I'm talking to than what alignment I roll.
I don't believe you, Grackaroni. Your inquisitiveness regarding my RNG lynch is in fact false, and I'm frankly astonished you think I wouldn't remember. After all, I've done this in a game with you before... FANTASY FOOTBALL MINI MAFIA IN 2014! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini
I did this and explained it and you were there. you've been caught in a lie.
On October 07 2014 01:41 Blazinghand wrote:
The Post count for my RNG declaration post was 23071592
23071592 mod 14 = 12
12th player is ObviousOne
##vote ObviousOne
OO, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH.
On October 07 2014 01:40 Blazinghand wrote:It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch. So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. Show nested quote +For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = hopeless1 2 = Damdred etc etc all the way up to 13 = obiwanshinobi 0 = storrzerg (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] +
1. Hopeless1der
2. Damdred
3. Palmer
4. Oatsmaster
5. Alakaslam
6. Grackaroni
7. liancourt
8. KelsierSC
9. batsnacks
10. Holyflare
11. BlazingHand
12. ObviousOne
13. ObiWanShinobi
0. StorrZerg
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty
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Blazinghand
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Grack: I'm gonna make up some lies about blazinghand and how I'm curious about his RNG, because that sounds like real talking, right?
Also Grack: I played in a game with Blazinghand where he did this same thing, and I talked about it extensively but let's just not bring that up
Also Grack: now I'm going to vote Blazinghand, because that's easier than trying to form fake reads, because I'm scum
get rekt kiddo
##unvote
##vote Grackaroni
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice
Hmm, or he makes up lies and consistently forgets things he already knows in order to try to make me look bad because I seem like I might be low-activity, and he wants a "safe" push, because he is scum
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I'm not familiar with this thing I'm seeing.
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On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote:
I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected
Understood!
To summarize what I think:
I think tubesocks is mafia. His contributions has so far been him trying to look like he is contributing. I believe he actually asked someone for their opinions on their reads without giving any of his own.
I think Vivax and Grack are town. No real evidence, but I kept up with Generic II and they both just feel town to me right now with the way they're playing.
Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute.
PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now.
I have no idea how to read Tumble's aggression and BH's posts honestly.
Those are probably the people I have the biggest opinions on.
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I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.
On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?
On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO
On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.
On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.
On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.
On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.
On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.
YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not familiar with this thing I'm seeing.
This is literally a lie. You're lying, right now.
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On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG
You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.
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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID. On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?
BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.
Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?
Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous. What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread. Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH. On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH. This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG. On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game. Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives. new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG. On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.
I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy.
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