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On May 17 2016 08:21 Clonester wrote:
Yeah, this site has a very large "news" section.
This section will not work with "This guy won the WCS Championchip and in the article we actually call his name and tell him why he is great!"
Bookmark the places where the vods come up beforehand and you are fine. Where do you think will they pop up... maybe the dreamhack twitch site under recent broadcasts?
But hey, no, this newssite shouldnt show actual news....
Or just dont write the name of the winner in the title: it's really NOT that hard 
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Create a "spoiler checkbox" for each thread. Let users define in their profiles whether or not they want to see spoilers.
for added fun put the spoiler user option behind the TL+ pay wall.
anyhow, gratz to Showtime he deserved to win and the tournament was very entertaining. gratz to David Kim and Blizz for continuing to deliver.
On May 17 2016 08:48 Diabolique wrote:
Yes, these spoilers are stupid.
The name of the thread instead of "ShoWTimE Wins DH Tours" should have been "A guy Wins DH Tours".
i hate to nit-pick here but...
wouldn't that spoil that Scarlett didn't win?
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Not to be pedantic but "guy" is commonly used to refer to all genders, same way that "man" is used to refer to all genders.
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Man, totally the wrong title for the Spoiler-discussion thread !
Grats to ShoWTimE for the win and to Nerchio for an incredible tournament run, the finals were great in my eyes.
Even if you got spoilered you should watch them.
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In general, it's really not hard to look up the VOD location of a big tournament before it has ended, just go to the live report thread. 99% of the time it will be some Twitch channel you just have to remember so you can skip TL entirely when the tournament is over and you want to watch VODs without being spoiled. Anyone that knows exactly when a tournament has ended and wants to watch the VODs, yet still visits TL beforehand knowing the current spoiler policy is just taking a giant gamble and well, sometimes you lose :-)
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
Congrats to Showtime for winning though, very likeable guy and very solid player.
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"A Meat Popsicle has won DH!" (Vegans are made out of meat too, so don't even try!  )
Congrats to Showtime and Nerchio for a great tournament and terrific final! You sure gave us what we wanted! 
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Just put in the title "WCS Finals Recap"...
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On May 17 2016 10:26 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date? If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/
or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort. This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread.. Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved. The problem is that it isn't a dedicated news site at all. This isn't like an online newspaper but more of a hub to get information on tournaments, watch live games, and also to get news. So, yeah, people can just watch twitch vods, but the people who post these thread can just pull a Reddit and say "Congratulations to the winner of Dreamhack Tours" or something. But yeah, congrats to showtime! I was fairly surprised at how well he did...granted with an easier (sort of) bracket, but also because I hadn't pegged him as someone who went through a bracket like this.
Well given that when you go to the TL home page it says "StarCraft 2 Pro Gaming News" my understanding is that it is trying to be like a news site.
On May 17 2016 10:41 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date? If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/
or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort. This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread.. Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved. "What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?" I don't understand what you mean. the site will still be up to date you just have to open the thread to read who won the tournament. Personally I don't care about this but I really don't see the downside of keeping the title spoiler-free. People who want to know who won can open the thread and read it and people who want to avoid spoilers can just not open on the thread.
My thoughts are on the assumption that if TL is trying to function like a news website then the big news should contain titles that reflect the article (like a traditional sports news website) and not just stating the obvious like "Congrats to the Dreamhack winner"
I don't mind a spoiler free option for those that want it.
However as a personal preference I would much rather the site remain as is for all other users.
On May 17 2016 19:56 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:
I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News.
What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted. Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
Yes, you're right it would have minimal effect on you or I.
However, I've gotten used to seeing stories reflecting the results of tournaments now.
As I've mentioned in the responses above - IF the website is behaving like a proper news outlet dedicated to SC2 news; then we should have the same expectations as if we were going to say Autosport / ESPN F1 for Formula 1 news or Cricinfo for Cricket related new etc. etc.
On May 17 2016 16:10 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date? If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/
or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort. This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread.. Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved. OH ! YES ! IT IS NOT THAT HARD ! Bookmark the tournnament page ! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tB3MIVo.jpg) So now yeah i donn't understand why SPL is not spoiled. Match 1 ? CJ vs SKT why match1 ? Now don't go to TL yes ok. So that's what i do. I go less and less on TL because i can't watch everything but even sc2cast DOESN'T HAVE THE VODS UPLOADED ! Andd you got yourselft a question. When was the last time you opened the subforum named : "Website feedback" ? Because no one ever goes there
I didn't realise the sidebar could also be an issue - however you can customise the sidebar out if you really wanted to.
Re: Website feedback - I don't go there because I don't generally have issues with the website.
However the mods have said many times; if you have problems with the website - take it to website feedback.
On May 17 2016 21:23 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date? If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/
or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort. This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread.. Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved. Why is it so hard to understand? Do we really need a degree to understand the problem here: It is still a news if the TEXT explains the result but not the Title of the News spoiling everything on the front page. So if you don't put the result in the Title, it wouldn't spoil the fun for so many, and still would be a "news". Since my English is so bad, I don't know how to put it more clearly. Sorry, I still hope this explains it now, or I will have to make some drawings to explain my point better. Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 20:19 Elentos wrote:On May 17 2016 19:56 Musicus wrote:On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote:
I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News.
What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted. Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change. Yeah, there's basically no difference between "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" and "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" from a news standpoint, you will click on both anyway if you want the results. But if you don't want the result spoiled, well, you can't really ignore the first option. THIS. 100%. You got it. And a couple of months ago, you had the option to check a checkbox if you want spoilers on the front page or didn't. If you checked "I don't want spoilers", the title of the news would have been "Dreamhack Tours Concluded", if you did not care about spoilers the title would have been "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" . So there we have it: it wouldn't even have to be implemented, it was already there (well, only for logged in users and cookie monster), but it was possible. Or in other words: We have the technology...
I do understand but what I am trying to state is that if TL.net wants to be a news site dedicated to SC2 related news then there shouldn't be a problem with it behaving like any other sports website that reports news with spoilers in the title.
At the end of the day it comes down to what the Website identifies itself as. If it is trying to behave as I perceive it to be - A News Site that functions similarly to ESPN or Sanzar Rugby or w/e sport you follow then there shouldn't be an issue with Spoilers in the title.
If it's still primarily a "community forum" -type of website then I agree with many of you that titles should be ambiguous and/or a No spoiler option available.
I believe the former is more likely because if you look at the other Liquid sites like Liquiddota or Liquidlegends all main page tournament results articles have spoilers in their titles.
If we de-spoiler items here, do we apply the same standards to those sites as well?
Anyway, that's my reasoning and logic behind trying to understand why there are spoilers in the titles.
As I was unable to find the site administrator who commented on this situation the last time... Would a site administrator or staff member clarify their position or reasoning (whether personal or collective) regarding this matter.
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@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
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On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
The idea of tl as strictly a news site is also false. Looking on the forum bar, most of the threads and discussion sections are not actually "news." They are announcements (so, news) and discussions. The only real "news" sections are the general, community, and sometimes the tourneys section. It seems that a far greater amount of tl is dedicated to things other than just news.
People might call it a (primarily) news site or view it as a (primarily) news site, but that is not its reality. Labelling something as a news site does not make it just that thing, especially when tl is also a source for counter strike, heroes, hearthstone, smash discussions, and live streams, I'd say calling it a news site is slightly underselling it.
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If you don't want to spoil who won the basketball game last night you don't go to ESPN. If you don't want GoT spoiled you don't check twitter before you can watch it. If you don't want to be spoiled for sc2, don't check TL. It's super easy!
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On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles.
I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
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On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Hey, I was just providing a comparison as to what other websites do. I apologise if you interpreted it as me saying TL should do it because other websites do it. I never said it was practical either - please don't misquote me. All tried to do is provide some sort of explanation as to why the thread starter included spoilers in their title.
I'll try and answer your questions anyway (based on my reasoning):
If you read as many news outlets as I do, then you would understand that most websites conform to a certain format in which they report news. I'm no journalist but if you want people to read your work you have to catch their attention with a good headline, if not, then you won't get your views. If I saw "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" I would have went to liquidpedia and not bothered with reading the article. When I saw "Showtime wins" I was like, "Oh, that's surprising - lets see how it unfolded." Swisslink below has a nice explanation.
The importance of the website should dictate to its intended users what their expectations should be while on the website. For me, personally, I come to TL to keep up on what's going on in the SC2 world - Team Changes - Tournament Results - Balance notes etc.
If you were referring to Liquiddota and Liquidlegends then it is important because all sites are sister sites and should have a level of consistency between them. If you meant other websites, then refer to the above about what I mentioned about reading a variety of news outlets.
On May 18 2016 12:48 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway. The idea of tl as strictly a news site is also false. Looking on the forum bar, most of the threads and discussion sections are not actually "news." They are announcements (so, news) and discussions. The only real "news" sections are the general, community, and sometimes the tourneys section. It seems that a far greater amount of tl is dedicated to things other than just news. People might call it a (primarily) news site or view it as a (primarily) news site, but that is not its reality. Labelling something as a news site does not make it just that thing, especially when tl is also a source for counter strike, heroes, hearthstone, smash discussions, and live streams, I'd say calling it a news site is slightly underselling it.
You are right - it isn't strictly speaking a sports website. However it contains a component that behaves like one. So why shouldn't it still behave like it - other than a few people getting upset over results being spoiled.
Yeah TL covers all those games, and Dota + League of Legends are large enough to have their own sites.
I ask again, if TL.net applies the no spoiler policy, should the Dota and League sites also employ the same regime?
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Anyway I've kinda explained my thoughts on the no-spoiler thing. I do not intend to argue my reasoning / stance / whatever you want to call it, any further.
I've found some information that may be of interest to you guys:
Website Feedback: Hide Spoilers
Lastly, this discussion also came up when Drogo won DH Leipzig (what's up with people and DHs lol). No action taken or comments made.
There was also some noise when Harstem won WCS Shanghai but not as much as the two DH threads.
My final thoughts on the matter... Find a way to adapt. Don't expect the world to change for you.
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On May 17 2016 01:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 01:50 Elentos wrote:On May 17 2016 01:48 Charoisaur wrote:On May 17 2016 01:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On May 17 2016 01:44 Elentos wrote:On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote:
Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congarts Showtime! Almost no non-Koreans have won something this big in the past few years though. Sen, Lilbow, ShoWTimE. In 4 years of SC2 I wouldn't consider Taiwan open to be on the same level as WCS It had real Koreans though. I'll let you guys argue if 2-0 Cheetos, 2-0 Bomber, 3-1 Has, 4-3 HyuN was comparable to anything here
If DH Tours wasn't ranked as WCS Championship, it wouldn't qualify as LP premier tournament under former rules, while Taiwan Open did. Go figure.
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On May 18 2016 19:20 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway. Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you!
Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress.
Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)?
Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement.
And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country...
You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others.
Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
I guess you don't even understand what all the fuzz is about, but you have an opinion! The world needs more ppl like you, they are not annoying at allOn May 18 2016 04:08 dani` wrote:
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
That is the think some ppl seem to not understand. Or they are ignorant or stupid. Choose yourself.
If there is a "hide spoilers" option, like there already was. This site still works as a news-site, but it would be spoiler free for those who want it.
What is so hard to understand about that? Yeah, the author of an article would have to write 2 different titles. That would be all the extra work for TL.
So to the guys (like cometnine) who repeat the same (rather dull) argument over and over "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way", forget that this is also a site about some latest technology. And by using this latest technology with adding 2 versions of titles, this wouldn't be a site just like every other boring newssite, it would actually use technology wiser then just being a newspaper printed on an electronic site, it would actually be userfriendly and therefore not following other newssites, but being a step ahead.
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On May 19 2016 08:11 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 19:20 Swisslink wrote:On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway. Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports. Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress. Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement. And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country... You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it. I guess you don't even understand what all the fuzz is about, but you have an opinion! The world needs more ppl like you, they are not annoying at all Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 04:08 dani` wrote:
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
That is the think some ppl seem to not understand. Or they are ignorant or stupid. Choose yourself. If there is a "hide spoilers" option, like there already was. This site still works as a news-site, but it would be spoiler free for those who want it. What is so hard to understand about that? Yeah, the author of an article would have to write 2 different titles. That would be all the extra work for TL. So to the guys (like cometnine) who repeat the same (rather dull) argument over and over "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way", forget that this is also a site about some latest technology. And by using this latest technology with adding 2 versions of titles, this wouldn't be a site just like every other boring newssite, it would actually use technology wiser then just being a newspaper printed on an electronic site, it would actually be userfriendly and therefore not following other newssites, but being a step ahead.
Since you've singled me out - I have to ask; did you click the Link I linked above?
Here it is again for you.
TL no longer support a no-spoiler option. They once did, they do not anymore.
Why? I don't know - Ask R1CH.
If I were to take a random guess at it - It might actually have to do with the website infrastructure. But hey, that's just me assuming.
Also, please point out where I said "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way" ? I never mentioned anything about technology either...sooo not sure where that came from.
All I've tried to do is provide a comparison. For the record - I don't think there's a right or wrong away. To me it doesn't matter. I just think that the outcry regarding spoiled titles is a little bit immature. I chose to respond to it to provide an opinion that was on the other side of the people that were complaining.
I've thoroughly, or least tried to, put some reasonable thought behind all my posts. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your first language therefore comprehending my posts may have given you a different meaning?
I also should point out to you - While you've tried to add some constructive feedback. I think aggressively attacking myself and Swisslink was a bit uncalled for, don't you think? Telling him to go back into a cave - that's not how you should speak to someone that has a different opinion to you.
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It's a stupid argument, if you want to watch the VoD's don't come on TL. You don't see people bitching about the Superbowl being spoiled. Stop your goddamn whining and take some responsibility in your chocies
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99% of the time it will be some Twitch channel you just have to remember so you can skip TL entirely when the tournament is over and you want to watch VODs without being spoiled
They have spoilers on that page.
On May 18 2016 14:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
If you don't want to spoil who won the basketball game last night you don't go to ESPN. If you don't want GoT spoiled you don't check twitter before you can watch it. If you don't want to be spoiled for sc2, don't check TL. It's super easy!
How do you suggest people watch the games if they shouldn't go to TL or reddit or the dreamhack site and they shouldn't check the dreamhack VOD's page on twitch?
It's not like people can just open a media player and watch the dreamhack finals like we can and do with a GOT episode.
I didn't realise the sidebar could also be an issue - however you can customise the sidebar out if you really wanted to.
You could, but you're still kinda screwed. You'll just get to the tournament thread for dreamhack and see that there is no spoiler protection on the OP; when you ignore the rest of the post, you'll click the VOD link to the twitch page that has spoilers on it.
It's actually pretty comical how hard it is to watch the last few series of a tournament that happened while you were asleep without knowing the outcomes beforehand
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On May 19 2016 08:11 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 19:20 Swisslink wrote:On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote:
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway. Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports. Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress. Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement. And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country... You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
Well, why I am against it?
Mainly because I still live in my utopia that eSports might, at one point, become a publicly recognized sport. And as soon as that's the case, the entire spoiler discussion is useless, because you'd get spoilt anyway.
And yes, there might be some people who record games. But I doubt these people would ever go to a Basketball/Football forum to complain about spoilers in titles after the match. Simply because they are an insanely small minority and they should know that. Otherwise things like headlines with result spoilers would not be a thing. But they are.
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I'd like to point out that since no one on TL updates the VOD thread anymore, all arguments about being spoilt looking for VODs are moot
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