ShoWTimE has won the second WCS Seasonal Championships, emerging victorious over Nerchio in a tight series that went to all seven maps. Strong harassment defined Nerchio's style throughout the series, and his nydus / drop multitask tore ShoWTimE apart in the series opener on Dusk Towers.
The German protoss quickly struck back though, demonstrating great army control with his preferred chargelot archon composition. It was anachronistic at times to see heavy sentry usage against a hydra-centric style from Nerchio, and it allowed him to seize the next two maps.
The two WCS heavyweights traded maps for the rest of the series. Another strong nydus play delivered the goods for Nerchio on Invader, while a proxy Dark Shrine on Ulrena caught the zerg completely by surprise. ShoWTimE seemed to have done enough on Prion Terraces to seal the series, but after taking out Nerchio's third, the protoss lost his whole army out on the map.
It all came down to one final map on one of the least predictable maps in the pool—Korhal Carnage Knockout. In the end, it was a strategy from the opening days of Legacy that sealed it for ShoWTimE—a mass adept / phoenix attack. The phoenixes lifted the queens, while the adepts tore through the squishy hydralisk core. With his army in tatters, and adepts scattered over his bases razing his mineral lines, Nerchio was forced to GG.
ShoWTimE now joins Polt, Zest and Dark in securing his spot for the WCS Global Playoffs later in the year.
On May 17 2016 01:49 Charoisaur wrote: so many terrans in the top 8 wow
Imagine if Polt wasn't playing WCS, foreign Terrans are too weak .
*cough* MarineLorD and MajOr really helped the quota *cough*
On May 17 2016 01:51 Solar424 wrote: Is there a rule that WCS events in France have to end on the stupidest map ever? Last year Secret Spring, this year KCK.
It's because of the map vetoes. Player 1 gets a map pick, then player 2, etc. and game 7 is the map nobody wants to play on. And with the current map pool, you have a good chance of ending on a really stupid map.
On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote: Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congarts Showtime!
Almost no non-Koreans have won something this big in the past few years though.
That's true, but many other European countries have players that placed first at decent international tournaments. Spain has Vortix who won a couple high calibre tournaments, France had Stephano and still has other good players who won some things, Poland has Nerchio and Sweden had Thorzain/Naniwa. Hasuobs, Socke and TLO seem to be the most accomplished German players and the winnings of the earlier two are almost only from German tournaments, while TLO sadly didn't win aside from one small tour in 2011.
And with that, ShoWTimE becomes the first player in more than 4 years to win a Premier tournament coming from a country that has a color other than blue, red, white or black in its flag!
On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote: Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congrats Showtime!
considering that almost all koreans are disqualified from the tournaments for being korean (except like 3 people) it is no wonder that non-koreans are winning.
On May 17 2016 01:58 Sholip wrote: And with that, ShoWTimE becomes the first player in more than 4 years to win a Premier tournament coming from a country that has a color other than blue, red, white or black in its flag!
Congratulations!
a premier tournament that has disqualified almost all players of that particular country.. yay
On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote: Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congrats Showtime!
considering that almost all koreans are disqualified from the tournaments for being korean (except like 3 people) it is no wonder that non-koreans are winning.
On May 17 2016 01:58 Sholip wrote: And with that, ShoWTimE becomes the first player in more than 4 years to win a Premier tournament coming from a country that has a color other than blue, red, white or black in its flag!
Congratulations!
a premier tournament that has disqualified almost all players of that particular country.. yay
On May 17 2016 01:58 Sholip wrote: And with that, ShoWTimE becomes the first player in more than 4 years to win a Premier tournament coming from a country that has a color other than blue, red, white or black in its flag!
Congratulations!
a premier tournament that has disqualified almost all players of that particular country.. yay
Of course most Premier winners had been Koreans, but since April 2012 players from the following countries have won Premiers: South Korea, Poland, France, Norway, Taiwan and the Netherlands. They all have those four colors in their flags
Great final, great players... After the strange match vs. Guru I didn't thought about a tournament winning ShoWTimE but he showed that he can be an insane beast :D
Really cool tournament all around honestly. Sad to see the top half of the bracket look so much stronger than the bottom half imho, but still really good overall. As much as I love Captain America, Im really glad we arent just seeing the 2 major koreans just take every tournament this year.
I love TL, but every time I see a spoiler in the news a piece of that dies.
TL isn't just a news site, people come here to find streams, VODs, etc. You can't be a source of content and then post spoilers boldly on the homepage.
Nobody goes to ESPN to watch a full sports game, so I don't understand the "don't go to a news site if you don't want spoilers" comments.
There used to be a "no spoilers" option - where did that go?
Congratulations Showtime. Watched the last six games of the finals this morning and they were all very entertaining. Nerchio played fantastic too (was rooting for him), and the back-and-forth series was insanely close.
Pretty exciting to see the very best foreigners (Showtime, Nerchio, Neeb, Masa, Elazer) establish themselves as legitimate contenders against the reigning Koreigner hierarchy (Polt, Hydra, Violet) and the longtime (foreign) torch-bearer Snute.
On May 17 2016 03:56 earendillo123 wrote: I can imagine after UEFA Euro 2016 people start crying "please stop spoiling the final results".
Yes, and people would not down talk the winner by mentioning that no South American teams were involved.
It is really impressive how ShoWTimE has evolved, his stage presence, his gameplay, the way he is able to adapt .. great games against a really strong opponent.
if u dont want any spoilers, DONT GO TO TL ON THE EVE OF A TOURNAMENT... jesus.. the children these days.. wtf else shold the title be? random player won a tournament but his name is not to be spoken about so noone can actually congratulate him? good god ppl calm the f down
On May 17 2016 06:21 Rollora wrote: Thx for the spoiler on the main page. Was gonna watch the games tonight... not anymore. 2nd time in 2 weeks this happens.... thx
Spoilers or not, there were some really good series that you should watch for the gameplay and for the hype. If you're a Starcraft fan that is.
Scary vs Polt, Nerchio vs Polt, Neeb vs Hydra, Showtime vs Violet - these are all great best of 5's.
On May 17 2016 03:56 earendillo123 wrote: I can imagine after UEFA Euro 2016 people start crying "please stop spoiling the final results".
Yes, and people would not down talk the winner by mentioning that no South American teams were involved.
It is really impressive how ShoWTimE has evolved, his stage presence, his gameplay, the way he is able to adapt .. great games against a really strong opponent.
Yes because a tournament marked as EURO 2016 is totally comparable to something called the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES, Would people talk down Germany winning the World Cup if South American teams were banned? Of course they would,
At least Showtime had to actually face a Korean along the way, unlike Ptitdrogo's joke win.
On May 17 2016 06:21 Rollora wrote: Thx for the spoiler on the main page. Was gonna watch the games tonight... not anymore. 2nd time in 2 weeks this happens.... thx
I agree. I didn't know they actually had the finals...it was on the calendar for later today...kind of disappointed.
On May 17 2016 06:27 SeriousLus wrote: if u dont want any spoilers, DONT GO TO TL ON THE EVE OF A TOURNAMENT... jesus.. the children these days.. wtf else shold the title be? random player won a tournament but his name is not to be spoken about so noone can actually congratulate him? good god ppl calm the f down
You know that TL is actually a frequently used site to get stream links from right?
Hence TL should definitely adopt a non-spoiler policy. It's not hard, and I also find your irony in terms of calming down ironic. Perhaps you need to widen your perspective a bit more because not everybody can watch games live.
Having "hide spoilers" option seems like a no-brainer, it's not like anything will change for us that don't need it. I can't think of any negative side effects.
I came home from work & super excited to watch the games. I go on teamliquid.net and for sure will be looking at the tournament section. Unfortunately, the damn spoiler is right in front of my eyes - "ShoWTimE Wins DH Tours".
Now I have no desire to watch the games since the person I'm cheering for lost.
And with that, ShoWTimE becomes the first player in more than 4 years to win a Premier tournament coming from a country that has a color other than blue, red, white or black in its flag!
Congratulations!
u know that germany has black and red in its flag and sometimes the flag is white instead of golden so u listened all colours :D
Yeah, this site has a very large "news" section. This section will not work with "This guy won the WCS Championchip and in the article we actually call his name and tell him why he is great!"
Bookmark the places where the vods come up beforehand and you are fine. Where do you think will they pop up... maybe the dreamhack twitch site under recent broadcasts?
But hey, no, this newssite shouldnt show actual news....
On May 17 2016 06:27 SeriousLus wrote: if u dont want any spoilers, DONT GO TO TL ON THE EVE OF A TOURNAMENT... jesus.. the children these days.. wtf else shold the title be? random player won a tournament but his name is not to be spoken about so noone can actually congratulate him? good god ppl calm the f down
So why did i check the "no spoilers" box? Do you understand some coding or the internet? You can make 2 different titles for those who want and those who don't want to get a spoiler. Kids these days...
Ah another title: How about "WCS Finals Recap" or whatever, just not the winner in the title. But you can send me a spoiler free list of all games. So I don't have to go to TL, do lookup the "spoiler free VOD list"? Why do you even think this option exists, Kiddo?
On May 17 2016 07:53 Musicus wrote: Having "hide spoilers" option seems like a no-brainer, it's not like anything will change for us that don't need it. I can't think of any negative side effects.
There is or was a "hide spoilers" box. I have checked it, sicne I wanna go to the VODs without getting spoilered. If TL wants to lose readers or clicks that is the way to go, since I have to lookup VODs elsewhere
On May 17 2016 08:21 Clonester wrote: Yeah, this site has a very large "news" section. This section will not work with "This guy won the WCS Championchip and in the article we actually call his name and tell him why he is great!"
Bookmark the places where the vods come up beforehand and you are fine. Where do you think will they pop up... maybe the dreamhack twitch site under recent broadcasts?
But hey, no, this newssite shouldnt show actual news....
You must either way have a bad memory, or you have some other issues. One I can immidiately Identify: you are purposly trying to not see the other persons point:
how is not putting the name of the player in the title the same as having no news?
Or do you only read the titles and think you got the whole news. Are you one of those?
Oh and btw, i just marked the day of WCS not the exact hour, so I went here, expecting the VODs will be up or the tourney still be running, I didn't expect the site to actually smash the results into my face
On May 17 2016 07:56 LOcDowN wrote: I came home from work & super excited to watch the games. I go on teamliquid.net and for sure will be looking at the tournament section. Unfortunately, the damn spoiler is right in front of my eyes - "ShoWTimE Wins DH Tours".
Now I have no desire to watch the games since the person I'm cheering for lost.
Thank you for the spoilers.
Agreed. But well, some ppl think they know it all and decide that having spoilers on this site is a great thing. Especially 3 hrs after a tourney, while everyone that is interested in the tourney could look that up him/herself. Yeah my evening got destroyed as well. My reaction to this will be using this site less and only with adblock, since the long-time wishes of the community aren't respected here
The name of the thread instead of "ShoWTimE Wins DH Tours" should have been "A guy Wins DH Tours".
Also, I request that you do not add his WCS points into Liquipedia, because there might be people, who plan to watch the finals next month and if they looked at the WCS ranking and saw Showtime with so many points, they could guess that Showtime did well in Tours. And nobody wants to spoil them the pleasure of watching the finals.
Another option is to add the points now, but not to show real names of the players in the ranking, but just bar codes. And before BlizzCon, the bar codes could be replaced with real names.
My goodness, is it really that hard not to spoiler who wins in the title? I don't particularily care personally, but at least I recognise that others do. The title could have just as easily been "DH tours finals results", with the exact same content, without the spoilerific title. It just smacks of a lack of care.
I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
The problem is that it isn't a dedicated news site at all. This isn't like an online newspaper but more of a hub to get information on tournaments, watch live games, and also to get news.
So, yeah, people can just watch twitch vods, but the people who post these thread can just pull a Reddit and say "Congratulations to the winner of Dreamhack Tours" or something.
But yeah, congrats to showtime! I was fairly surprised at how well he did...granted with an easier (sort of) bracket, but also because I hadn't pegged him as someone who went through a bracket like this.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
"What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?" I don't understand what you mean. the site will still be up to date you just have to open the thread to read who won the tournament. Personally I don't care about this but I really don't see the downside of keeping the title spoiler-free. People who want to know who won can open the thread and read it and people who want to avoid spoilers can just not open on the thread.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
OH ! YES ! IT IS NOT THAT HARD ! Bookmark the tournnament page !
So now yeah i donn't understand why SPL is not spoiled. Match 1 ? CJ vs SKT why match1 ?
Now don't go to TL yes ok. So that's what i do. I go less and less on TL because i can't watch everything but even sc2cast DOESN'T HAVE THE VODS UPLOADED !
Andd you got yourselft a question. When was the last time you opened the subforum named : "Website feedback" ? Because no one ever goes there
On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote: Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congarts Showtime!
Almost no non-Koreans have won something this big in the past few years though.
Congrats to him on the win and the prizepool, but why are we acting like this is some sort of major? This tournament at a practice squad tournament, unless I'm confused...
On May 17 2016 01:42 HolydaKing wrote: Kinda crazy that no German ever won something nearly as big. Congarts Showtime!
Almost no non-Koreans have won something this big in the past few years though.
Congrats to him on the win and the prizepool, but why are we acting like this is some sort of major? This tournament at a practice squad tournament, unless I'm confused...
To be fair, some trophies of the past generally considered to be major achievements were won easier than this one. Especially Nerchio's road was noteworthy and Showtime, well, at least he had to beat Nerchio. So while it wasn't anything close to the toughest major tournaments, it definitely wasn't the weakest one either. It isn't overhyped too, Lilbow's win last season got much more hype.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted.
Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
i watched some of the games and those are the numbers that I remembered. Gotta admit that I didnt watch finals tho..
Still.. the peak, 29k and 35k is closer than I thought it would be
Back to no-korean-in-tournament argument, I think foreigners always have decent chance to win when everything is new and no one figured out everything yet. However, once time passes and Koreans have chance to hone their skills and figure out every play/map/strategy, they stomp over foreigners. So if Bliz wants foreigners to always have a shot, no need to create 2 separate leagues. Simply release "balance update" every few months that will topple every existing strategies and make players scratch their heads for new one will do the trick. That is.. until everyone decides they have enough and start playing BW
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted.
Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
Yeah, there's basically no difference between "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" and "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" from a news standpoint, you will click on both anyway if you want the results. But if you don't want the result spoiled, well, you can't really ignore the first option.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
Why is it so hard to understand? Do we really need a degree to understand the problem here: It is still a news if the TEXT explains the result but not the Title of the News spoiling everything on the front page. So if you don't put the result in the Title, it wouldn't spoil the fun for so many, and still would be a "news". Since my English is so bad, I don't know how to put it more clearly. Sorry, I still hope this explains it now, or I will have to make some drawings to explain my point better.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted.
Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
Yeah, there's basically no difference between "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" and "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" from a news standpoint, you will click on both anyway if you want the results. But if you don't want the result spoiled, well, you can't really ignore the first option.
THIS. 100%. You got it.
And a couple of months ago, you had the option to check a checkbox if you want spoilers on the front page or didn't. If you checked "I don't want spoilers", the title of the news would have been "Dreamhack Tours Concluded", if you did not care about spoilers the title would have been "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" . So there we have it: it wouldn't even have to be implemented, it was already there (well, only for logged in users and cookie monster), but it was possible.
On May 17 2016 06:27 SeriousLus wrote: if u dont want any spoilers, DONT GO TO TL ON THE EVE OF A TOURNAMENT... jesus.. the children these days.. wtf else shold the title be? random player won a tournament but his name is not to be spoken about so noone can actually congratulate him? good god ppl calm the f down
If you don't want any spoiler... it's really NOT that hard to not write the name of the winner in the title. It's a matter of respect for the readers.
On May 17 2016 08:21 Clonester wrote: Yeah, this site has a very large "news" section. This section will not work with "This guy won the WCS Championchip and in the article we actually call his name and tell him why he is great!"
Bookmark the places where the vods come up beforehand and you are fine. Where do you think will they pop up... maybe the dreamhack twitch site under recent broadcasts?
But hey, no, this newssite shouldnt show actual news....
Or just dont write the name of the winner in the title: it's really NOT that hard
Create a "spoiler checkbox" for each thread. Let users define in their profiles whether or not they want to see spoilers.
for added fun put the spoiler user option behind the TL+ pay wall.
anyhow, gratz to Showtime he deserved to win and the tournament was very entertaining. gratz to David Kim and Blizz for continuing to deliver.
On May 17 2016 08:48 Diabolique wrote: Yes, these spoilers are stupid. The name of the thread instead of "ShoWTimE Wins DH Tours" should have been "A guy Wins DH Tours".
i hate to nit-pick here but... wouldn't that spoil that Scarlett didn't win?
Man, totally the wrong title for the Spoiler-discussion thread ! Grats to ShoWTimE for the win and to Nerchio for an incredible tournament run, the finals were great in my eyes. Even if you got spoilered you should watch them.
In general, it's really not hard to look up the VOD location of a big tournament before it has ended, just go to the live report thread. 99% of the time it will be some Twitch channel you just have to remember so you can skip TL entirely when the tournament is over and you want to watch VODs without being spoiled. Anyone that knows exactly when a tournament has ended and wants to watch the VODs, yet still visits TL beforehand knowing the current spoiler policy is just taking a giant gamble and well, sometimes you lose :-)
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
Congrats to Showtime for winning though, very likeable guy and very solid player.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
The problem is that it isn't a dedicated news site at all. This isn't like an online newspaper but more of a hub to get information on tournaments, watch live games, and also to get news.
So, yeah, people can just watch twitch vods, but the people who post these thread can just pull a Reddit and say "Congratulations to the winner of Dreamhack Tours" or something.
But yeah, congrats to showtime! I was fairly surprised at how well he did...granted with an easier (sort of) bracket, but also because I hadn't pegged him as someone who went through a bracket like this.
Well given that when you go to the TL home page it says "StarCraft 2 Pro Gaming News" my understanding is that it is trying to be like a news site.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
"What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?" I don't understand what you mean. the site will still be up to date you just have to open the thread to read who won the tournament. Personally I don't care about this but I really don't see the downside of keeping the title spoiler-free. People who want to know who won can open the thread and read it and people who want to avoid spoilers can just not open on the thread.
My thoughts are on the assumption that if TL is trying to function like a news website then the big news should contain titles that reflect the article (like a traditional sports news website) and not just stating the obvious like "Congrats to the Dreamhack winner"
I don't mind a spoiler free option for those that want it. However as a personal preference I would much rather the site remain as is for all other users.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted.
Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
Yes, you're right it would have minimal effect on you or I. However, I've gotten used to seeing stories reflecting the results of tournaments now.
As I've mentioned in the responses above - IF the website is behaving like a proper news outlet dedicated to SC2 news; then we should have the same expectations as if we were going to say Autosport / ESPN F1 for Formula 1 news or Cricinfo for Cricket related new etc. etc.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
OH ! YES ! IT IS NOT THAT HARD ! Bookmark the tournnament page !
So now yeah i donn't understand why SPL is not spoiled. Match 1 ? CJ vs SKT why match1 ?
Now don't go to TL yes ok. So that's what i do. I go less and less on TL because i can't watch everything but even sc2cast DOESN'T HAVE THE VODS UPLOADED !
Andd you got yourselft a question. When was the last time you opened the subforum named : "Website feedback" ? Because no one ever goes there
I didn't realise the sidebar could also be an issue - however you can customise the sidebar out if you really wanted to.
Re: Website feedback - I don't go there because I don't generally have issues with the website. However the mods have said many times; if you have problems with the website - take it to website feedback.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
If you want spoiler free stuff - either bookmark the Tournaments Sub-forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/ or keep yourself off TL until you've caught up on the VODs via twitch or something of the sort.
This discussion happened a few months ago too where one of the Administrators (think it was lichter or wax) clarified their stance on reporting event winners and the spoiler option is no longer available afaik. Also - this discussion should be in website feedback not in this thread..
Anyway back on topic - after watching the first game I thought Nerchio was going to 4-0 it. Showtime did well to pull it back. Grats to him, well deserved.
Why is it so hard to understand? Do we really need a degree to understand the problem here: It is still a news if the TEXT explains the result but not the Title of the News spoiling everything on the front page. So if you don't put the result in the Title, it wouldn't spoil the fun for so many, and still would be a "news". Since my English is so bad, I don't know how to put it more clearly. Sorry, I still hope this explains it now, or I will have to make some drawings to explain my point better.
On May 17 2016 09:31 CometNine wrote: I'm on the other side of the camp in the sense that I come to TL to read news - Latest News. What's the point of a news website that isn't up to date?
But nothing would change for you and me, we would still get the latest news just as fast, since the spoiler option would be optional. If a spoiler option is no longer possible on the website, the titles can just be adjusted.
Again it would not slow down the news at all, nothing would change.
Yeah, there's basically no difference between "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" and "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" from a news standpoint, you will click on both anyway if you want the results. But if you don't want the result spoiled, well, you can't really ignore the first option.
THIS. 100%. You got it.
And a couple of months ago, you had the option to check a checkbox if you want spoilers on the front page or didn't. If you checked "I don't want spoilers", the title of the news would have been "Dreamhack Tours Concluded", if you did not care about spoilers the title would have been "ShoWTimE Wins Dreamhack Tours" . So there we have it: it wouldn't even have to be implemented, it was already there (well, only for logged in users and cookie monster), but it was possible.
Or in other words: We have the technology...
I do understand but what I am trying to state is that if TL.net wants to be a news site dedicated to SC2 related news then there shouldn't be a problem with it behaving like any other sports website that reports news with spoilers in the title.
At the end of the day it comes down to what the Website identifies itself as. If it is trying to behave as I perceive it to be - A News Site that functions similarly to ESPN or Sanzar Rugby or w/e sport you follow then there shouldn't be an issue with Spoilers in the title.
If it's still primarily a "community forum" -type of website then I agree with many of you that titles should be ambiguous and/or a No spoiler option available.
I believe the former is more likely because if you look at the other Liquid sites like Liquiddota or Liquidlegends all main page tournament results articles have spoilers in their titles. If we de-spoiler items here, do we apply the same standards to those sites as well?
Anyway, that's my reasoning and logic behind trying to understand why there are spoilers in the titles.
As I was unable to find the site administrator who commented on this situation the last time... Would a site administrator or staff member clarify their position or reasoning (whether personal or collective) regarding this matter.
@CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
The idea of tl as strictly a news site is also false. Looking on the forum bar, most of the threads and discussion sections are not actually "news." They are announcements (so, news) and discussions. The only real "news" sections are the general, community, and sometimes the tourneys section. It seems that a far greater amount of tl is dedicated to things other than just news.
People might call it a (primarily) news site or view it as a (primarily) news site, but that is not its reality. Labelling something as a news site does not make it just that thing, especially when tl is also a source for counter strike, heroes, hearthstone, smash discussions, and live streams, I'd say calling it a news site is slightly underselling it.
If you don't want to spoil who won the basketball game last night you don't go to ESPN. If you don't want GoT spoiled you don't check twitter before you can watch it. If you don't want to be spoiled for sc2, don't check TL. It's super easy!
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Hey, I was just providing a comparison as to what other websites do. I apologise if you interpreted it as me saying TL should do it because other websites do it. I never said it was practical either - please don't misquote me. All tried to do is provide some sort of explanation as to why the thread starter included spoilers in their title.
I'll try and answer your questions anyway (based on my reasoning):
If you read as many news outlets as I do, then you would understand that most websites conform to a certain format in which they report news. I'm no journalist but if you want people to read your work you have to catch their attention with a good headline, if not, then you won't get your views. If I saw "Dreamhack Tours Concluded" I would have went to liquidpedia and not bothered with reading the article. When I saw "Showtime wins" I was like, "Oh, that's surprising - lets see how it unfolded." Swisslink below has a nice explanation.
The importance of the website should dictate to its intended users what their expectations should be while on the website. For me, personally, I come to TL to keep up on what's going on in the SC2 world - Team Changes - Tournament Results - Balance notes etc.
If you were referring to Liquiddota and Liquidlegends then it is important because all sites are sister sites and should have a level of consistency between them. If you meant other websites, then refer to the above about what I mentioned about reading a variety of news outlets.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
The idea of tl as strictly a news site is also false. Looking on the forum bar, most of the threads and discussion sections are not actually "news." They are announcements (so, news) and discussions. The only real "news" sections are the general, community, and sometimes the tourneys section. It seems that a far greater amount of tl is dedicated to things other than just news.
People might call it a (primarily) news site or view it as a (primarily) news site, but that is not its reality. Labelling something as a news site does not make it just that thing, especially when tl is also a source for counter strike, heroes, hearthstone, smash discussions, and live streams, I'd say calling it a news site is slightly underselling it.
You are right - it isn't strictly speaking a sports website. However it contains a component that behaves like one. So why shouldn't it still behave like it - other than a few people getting upset over results being spoiled.
Yeah TL covers all those games, and Dota + League of Legends are large enough to have their own sites.
I ask again, if TL.net applies the no spoiler policy, should the Dota and League sites also employ the same regime?
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Anyway I've kinda explained my thoughts on the no-spoiler thing. I do not intend to argue my reasoning / stance / whatever you want to call it, any further.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress.
Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement.
And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country...
You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
I guess you don't even understand what all the fuzz is about, but you have an opinion! The world needs more ppl like you, they are not annoying at all
On May 18 2016 04:08 dani` wrote:
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
That is the think some ppl seem to not understand. Or they are ignorant or stupid. Choose yourself. If there is a "hide spoilers" option, like there already was. This site still works as a news-site, but it would be spoiler free for those who want it. What is so hard to understand about that? Yeah, the author of an article would have to write 2 different titles. That would be all the extra work for TL.
So to the guys (like cometnine) who repeat the same (rather dull) argument over and over "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way", forget that this is also a site about some latest technology. And by using this latest technology with adding 2 versions of titles, this wouldn't be a site just like every other boring newssite, it would actually use technology wiser then just being a newspaper printed on an electronic site, it would actually be userfriendly and therefore not following other newssites, but being a step ahead.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress.
Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement.
And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country...
You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
I guess you don't even understand what all the fuzz is about, but you have an opinion! The world needs more ppl like you, they are not annoying at all
It's a different story for people who do not follow SC2 as closely though (or just have been busy), and may check in a couple days late to find VODs and instead get presented with the winner in a hard-to-miss headline. As others have noted, it takes little effort to hide the winner in a headline so for people not on every day that would definitely be a huge improvement.
I remember a while back there actually was a "hide spoilers"-option (if I recall correctly), not sure what happened with it?
That is the think some ppl seem to not understand. Or they are ignorant or stupid. Choose yourself. If there is a "hide spoilers" option, like there already was. This site still works as a news-site, but it would be spoiler free for those who want it. What is so hard to understand about that? Yeah, the author of an article would have to write 2 different titles. That would be all the extra work for TL.
So to the guys (like cometnine) who repeat the same (rather dull) argument over and over "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way", forget that this is also a site about some latest technology. And by using this latest technology with adding 2 versions of titles, this wouldn't be a site just like every other boring newssite, it would actually use technology wiser then just being a newspaper printed on an electronic site, it would actually be userfriendly and therefore not following other newssites, but being a step ahead.
Since you've singled me out - I have to ask; did you click the Link I linked above? Here it is again for you.
TL no longer support a no-spoiler option. They once did, they do not anymore. Why? I don't know - Ask R1CH. If I were to take a random guess at it - It might actually have to do with the website infrastructure. But hey, that's just me assuming.
Also, please point out where I said "this is a news site and it has to work like every other site or its servers would burn down because this is the law, it has to be that way" ? I never mentioned anything about technology either...sooo not sure where that came from.
All I've tried to do is provide a comparison. For the record - I don't think there's a right or wrong away. To me it doesn't matter. I just think that the outcry regarding spoiled titles is a little bit immature. I chose to respond to it to provide an opinion that was on the other side of the people that were complaining.
I've thoroughly, or least tried to, put some reasonable thought behind all my posts. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your first language therefore comprehending my posts may have given you a different meaning?
I also should point out to you - While you've tried to add some constructive feedback. I think aggressively attacking myself and Swisslink was a bit uncalled for, don't you think? Telling him to go back into a cave - that's not how you should speak to someone that has a different opinion to you.
It's a stupid argument, if you want to watch the VoD's don't come on TL. You don't see people bitching about the Superbowl being spoiled. Stop your goddamn whining and take some responsibility in your chocies
99% of the time it will be some Twitch channel you just have to remember so you can skip TL entirely when the tournament is over and you want to watch VODs without being spoiled
They have spoilers on that page.
On May 18 2016 14:14 jmbthirteen wrote: If you don't want to spoil who won the basketball game last night you don't go to ESPN. If you don't want GoT spoiled you don't check twitter before you can watch it. If you don't want to be spoiled for sc2, don't check TL. It's super easy!
How do you suggest people watch the games if they shouldn't go to TL or reddit or the dreamhack site and they shouldn't check the dreamhack VOD's page on twitch?
It's not like people can just open a media player and watch the dreamhack finals like we can and do with a GOT episode.
I didn't realise the sidebar could also be an issue - however you can customise the sidebar out if you really wanted to.
You could, but you're still kinda screwed. You'll just get to the tournament thread for dreamhack and see that there is no spoiler protection on the OP; when you ignore the rest of the post, you'll click the VOD link to the twitch page that has spoilers on it.
It's actually pretty comical how hard it is to watch the last few series of a tournament that happened while you were asleep without knowing the outcomes beforehand
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress.
Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement.
And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country...
You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
Well, why I am against it? Mainly because I still live in my utopia that eSports might, at one point, become a publicly recognized sport. And as soon as that's the case, the entire spoiler discussion is useless, because you'd get spoilt anyway.
And yes, there might be some people who record games. But I doubt these people would ever go to a Basketball/Football forum to complain about spoilers in titles after the match. Simply because they are an insanely small minority and they should know that. Otherwise things like headlines with result spoilers would not be a thing. But they are.
On May 19 2016 20:59 thecrazymunchkin wrote: I'd like to point out that since no one on TL updates the VOD thread anymore, all arguments about being spoilt looking for VODs are moot
Not really. Looking through the threads there's still a number of people who ask if the vods are up or where to find them, so even if the vod thread isn't updated anymore it does not mean that people don't still come looking for vod resources.
For myself, I usually refresh the liquipedia page to see who won, but I honestly don't know what's so wrong about writing one little sentence that does not spoil the winner while still congratulating him/her.
On May 19 2016 15:02 Cyro wrote: How do you suggest people watch the games if they shouldn't go to TL or reddit or the dreamhack site and they shouldn't check the dreamhack VOD's page on twitch?
It's not like people can just open a media player and watch the dreamhack finals like we can and do with a GOT episode.
sc2links.com It took me 2 minutes to find a site which provides spoiler-free links to VODs. As if someone wanted to find a solution without bothering others and making demands for the world to adjust to his preferences, he would easily manage to do it.
On May 19 2016 15:02 Cyro wrote: How do you suggest people watch the games if they shouldn't go to TL or reddit or the dreamhack site and they shouldn't check the dreamhack VOD's page on twitch?
It's not like people can just open a media player and watch the dreamhack finals like we can and do with a GOT episode.
sc2links.com It took me 2 minutes to find a site which provides spoiler-free links to VODs. As if someone wanted to find a solution without bothering others and making demands for the world to adjust to his preferences, he would easily manage to do it.
You're trying pretty hard to be condescending and hostile here when there is still no decent solution posted.
Using google search i'm getting the twitch page high on results, which has the spoilers listed earlier. Some other stuff with spoilers, but now that i've seen the games i can find http://sc2casts.com/event845-2016-DreamHack-Austin via www.reddit.com/r/spoilerfreeSC. That actually took a considerable amount of time and effort and came with risk of spoiling the games while looking for a good spoiler free source.
I see why some people want changes, we used to have great spoiler free resources and they've just gradually disappeared over time. TL used to provide this in several ways but they no longer do.
On May 19 2016 14:10 showstealer1829 wrote: It's a stupid argument, if you want to watch the VoD's don't come on TL. You don't see people bitching about the Superbowl being spoiled. Stop your goddamn whining and take some responsibility in your chocies
This is an even more stupid argument. Because the technology of today makes it possible to make both sides happy, so your arguing again is just denying other ppls wishes because you think yours are more important and others shouldn't have none at all. Avoiding TL is vital to find some VODs. Titles not being displayed in a manner that does not spoil would be possible for those who don't want to get spoilered.
So the only argument that is stupid is the one that denies an option when both is possible at the same time. But I knew a few don't comprehend. I am just not sure if it is ignorence or a cognitive problem for some that don't seem to understand this.
On May 18 2016 10:19 Charoisaur wrote: @CometNine: so the practical use of mentioning the winner in the title is that other news websites do it too and TL should behave like other news websides to be considered one? Why is it even important what kind of a website TL is? and why is it important what other websites do? Sounds pretty ridicolous to me.
As I said for me its totally irrelevant if there are spoilers or not but if some people don't want to get spoilered why is it a problem to not mention the results in the title? it doesn't hurt anyone at all. Maybe "Dreamhack Tours Recap" doesn't sound as catchy as "showtime wins DH tours" but when you're going to an SC2 website I don't think it's necessary to catch the readers attention for things like tournament results as they are interested anyway.
Because that's just how it's done in every country, in every sports, on every news site. And yes, it's the right thing to do and the reasoning behind it is simple: In sports, most people either watch the game live, or they'll only be interested in the results. That's why sports news websites can easily spoiler the results in their titles. I really don't know why eSports should be treated any differently. If you went to a football community website a day after the Champions League Finale, you will - without a doubt - see the winner somewhere in a title, even if it isn't a News Site. Same with any other sports.
Ah the good old "it has always been that way" argument. My grandparents would be so proud of you! Now hush hush, go back to the cave you came from. What do you even do with this new technology called the internet, if you don't want progress.
Why does it bother you so much if ppl don't want to get spoiled (spoilered)? Is it fun to you, destroying other ppls excitement.
And by the way you are plain wrong with what you write: i know a lot of ppl who record important games they cannot watch. Like in football or basketball or whatever games. But you seem to know each and everyone in every country...
You know it is pretty easy to implement a function that would show the 2 different titles: a spoilerfree one and the one like this title. It wouldn't hurt you, but it would benefit others. Does it hurt your pride or what is your problem you argument against it.
Well, why I am against it? Mainly because I still live in my utopia that eSports might, at one point, become a publicly recognized sport. And as soon as that's the case, the entire spoiler discussion is useless, because you'd get spoilt anyway.
And yes, there might be some people who record games. But I doubt these people would ever go to a Basketball/Football forum to complain about spoilers in titles after the match. Simply because they are an insanely small minority and they should know that. Otherwise things like headlines with result spoilers would not be a thing. But they are.
You can keep comparing basketball/football to esport even 100x times it doesn't make it the same. Not because it might not get as big as basketball or whatever, the difference is that the main platform which transfers the sport is not a static one like TV, where the content cannot adapt to the viewer, but it is the internet. And managing the content of a internet platform around a user is actually pretty doable, since for instance all social media sites do that for a living. And all the adworks. Just the other way around, they go deep on analyzing your online behavior and show what fits you. So its pretty obvous the solution to please EVERY SIDE is here. The problem is that there are ppl who think they don't need it so no other can have it. Its funny how many ppl still think black/white these days when technology can solve all our problems. Only because it wasn't possible in the past, when news were all over TV all the time and you cannot avoid it doesn't mean you cannot change things in the future. There are a lot of technologies evolved from that. Like a Forum or mail or websites like TL, providing replays and vods and databases... All these things developed from a need for these things and ppl willing to create them
On May 19 2016 15:02 Cyro wrote: How do you suggest people watch the games if they shouldn't go to TL or reddit or the dreamhack site and they shouldn't check the dreamhack VOD's page on twitch?
It's not like people can just open a media player and watch the dreamhack finals like we can and do with a GOT episode.
sc2links.com It took me 2 minutes to find a site which provides spoiler-free links to VODs. As if someone wanted to find a solution without bothering others and making demands for the world to adjust to his preferences, he would easily manage to do it.
I tried it, but didn't find the very first tournament I searched (Crossfinals). Also sometimes it is nice to watch the VODs and read the thread along with it. If there were no spoilers at the main page, you could watch the games with some excitement and still are not spoilered even though you are in the LR thread
Also I had to activate Adblock and Scriptblog which is usually a bad sign. It is really easy to get infected by ads these days
EPT
ShoWTimE has won the second WCS Seasonal Championships, emerging victorious over 
Nerchio in a tight series that went to all seven maps. Strong harassment defined Nerchio's style throughout the series, and his nydus / drop multitask tore ShoWTimE apart in the series opener on Dusk Towers.
Polt, 
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