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On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me)
2. I concede this point
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On April 26 2016 03:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions) The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say. Here is my post: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
To expand, why did you post i n the thread when you're not even caught up ? Apparenrlty you didn't read this answer when it was posted 6 minutes after your post.
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On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point
1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him.
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On April 26 2016 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:Tumble filter dive 2.0: This has been discussed to death but it is really bad: Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul. Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap. But it especially makes no sense considering what his reason to scumread Super is afterwards: Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot "Saying super is mafia because of burnout is a huge conclusion leap""Super is mafia because afk" This doesn't work together very well. Also the "prefer vig shot" doesn't make any sense. Shapelog made a meta case on tumble somewhere which he requoted before he got lynched. That was pretty on point. Examples of what mafia tumble is more likely to post than town tumble are those things: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
"Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier."
"Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul." Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 02:41 Tumblewood wrote:
OWS what is the point of these emoticons
"oh no he felt angry face he must be town" Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 06:00 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoultin why did you switch from "total scumlord tumblewood" to "eh i could shenanny gb"
ooh didn't see the reversal coming didya Eod1 this was what made me townread tumble: Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 05:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i don't really see a way to not die here, so i'm going to just let you all vote me as long as i get 80 minutes of you listening to me and not treating me like i'm scum I don't think it is impossible for him to do it as mafia though? That was part 1. Part 2 will follow soon.
I am a believer in shooting AFKs over lynching them. Attributing it to scum burnout is definitely a leap, but saying you want to get rid of someone because they're AFK isn't (especially since AFKs make great lynchbait)
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On April 26 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point 1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him.
JAT is town for other reasons that you aren't
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On April 26 2016 03:41 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. 1. You wouldn't be in a bad spot because you'd be in 4v2 LyLo with Shape (who I had just said to kill right after me) 2. I concede this point 1 may be true but that doesn't make me scum. Just because I would be in a good position if I was scum doesn't indicate I'm scum. JAT is in a even better position if he is scum yet I don't think you're scumreading him. JAT is town for other reasons that you aren't
You still have to produce any reason that would show why I'm scum
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Let's have a look at tumbles read progression on super eod1.
On April 17 2016 05:42 Tumblewood wrote:
pls lynch rsoul tomorrow
pls vig shoot superbia tonight
for the record i was only focusing on rsoul because the rest of you were european and asleep and ows and sl were boring
Still going for the vig shoot for whatever reason.
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
Why is he questioning Palmar about his superbia read then?
On April 17 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:
"me to a degree"
there are only two ways to go with me:
either i am the scummiest scum scummer to ever scum scum and your name is rels, or
i am town who fucked up and you are a kind compassionate soul who is voting superbia
People voting superbia = good.
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
erm, what?
On April 17 2016 06:41 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:39 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway
if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now uh... how do you know that it won't just make you the hero and superbia flips mafia? everyone on me is dead set because i bsed some reasoning earlier i don't feel that good that superbia will flip mafia if he doesn't it goes D1 town dies D2 town dies
So he isn't mafia. But where is the difference to any other potential townie dying over Tumble?
On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 06:35 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here? this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful? not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what ??? nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things? because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +as if that means anything okay so let's play a game here you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
Now he is mafia again? Maybe?
It doesn't make any sense. At best he is unsure about supers alignment and in that case he ALWAYS ALWAYS votes him to save himself. He voted a guy he genuinely thought was a bad lynch in storm to save himself.
End of part 2. To be continued.
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Out of time but will be back at about 45 minutes before deadline
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On April 20 2016 11:32 Tumblewood wrote:
Is your whole scum strategy "make myself as annoying to lynch as possible" to survive? Because the annoying is definitely there, seriously getting tired of pursuing this.
This is Tumbles scum strategy if he is mafia btw.
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On April 26 2016 03:45 Tumblewood wrote:
Out of time but will be back at about 45 minutes before deadline
On April 26 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:33 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions) The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say. Here is my post: On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that. To expand, why did you post i n the thread when you're not even caught up ? Apparenrlty you didn't read this answer when it was posted 6 minutes after your post.
Please answer this when you come back.
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Tumble's read on Superbia is really the strongest scum indicator. Both the fact that he scumread rsoultin who shared the almost same read and his refusal to vote him to survive EOD1.
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On April 26 2016 03:51 Rels wrote:
Tumble's read on Superbia is really the strongest scum indicator. Both the fact that he scumread rsoultin who shared the almost same read and his refusal to vote him to survive EOD1.
I'm aware.
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On April 25 2016 20:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
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jat is town
jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD
superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone
i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus
sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing
gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing
onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value
ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me
fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now @tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon care to explain? I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky. -squints at- i don't really understand this explanation what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2? explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky? Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time. why? when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@ it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super then the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town? nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon This doesn't make any sense. You scumread Superbia and was null on GB. But you didn't vote Superbia to save yourself because "you would die D2 anyway if Superbia was lynched", but you voted GB to save yourself because "you wouldn't die D2 automatically if GB was lynched". I cannot even comprehend what you are trying to say. This logic is so twisted. I'm calling BS on this.
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^ and this explanation after that happened doesn't make sense
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I wrote a message to go with that post, I have no idea where it went p:
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I feel like I should probably switch to tumble here.
The logic behind voting tumble seems far and away more solid than voting Onegu for doing nothing.
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I think the only person I have reservations about at this point is SL but I don't have solid reasoning behind it other than he sounded like mafia a few points today.
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On April 26 2016 03:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I feel like I should probably switch to tumble here.
The logic behind voting tumble seems far and away more solid than voting Onegu for doing nothing.
I have the same feeling. Onegu only being somewhat useful when he's being lynched is annoying but at least he pushed something against Tumble. Tumble came into the thread, did nothing, and left.
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So part 3 is about tumble + potential mafia 3:
If you read tumbles filter you notice that he interacts/talks with almost everyone. Especially when he is about to be lynched he asks specific people to do stuff. He does this to everyone.
Well, almost everyone. The people he does not do that to are Superbia and Sicklucker.
For the biggest part of his filter (until LYLO basically) he more or less completely ignores Sicklucker. He interacts with Rels quite a bit gets pushed by him repeatedly. It doesn't seem very likely they are together. He even interacts/talks about Onegu. But not SL.
All that he says early in the game about him is this:
On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
rels still picking the low-hanging fruit
didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read
rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town
Which should indicate a mafia read, right? Still he doesn't really push that or reason it out at all. I know there is one post to rsoultin where he asks why she is going for GB and not for Onegu/SL but SL is just a listed name there.
Later he completely "forgets" about this read though.
On April 19 2016 11:37 Tumblewood wrote:
SL: He's cocky in the right way, and his curiosity about the vig seems genuine.
SL suddenly town in a listpost where he has to be included.
On April 21 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel comfortable about my town circle now, it's probably not changing anymore, bar a scum claim. My feeeels have been working overtime this game.
town
jat
rels
gum
ows
onegu
probably also town
sl
not town
shape
rsoul
SL "probably" town. But not even as town as Onegu. Why? Who the fuck knows!
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads.
Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them.
I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
We need to get shape lynched and then Onegu/jat/rels. Where on earth has is SL?
On April 23 2016 11:53 Tumblewood wrote:
is this what a ten page filter feels like? are you also looking at my filter with similar dread because you don't want to read 200 posts? anyhoo, current status is
me gumshoe ows = 100% town
sl = 80% town
rels = 60% town
onegu = 20% town
i guess that leaves 40% of a townie for jat but that's not enough because he looks at least equal to rels if not townier, maybe they could take some towniness from sl and be split 55/55
btw don't read page 105 or most of 104 unless you want in on my ramblings which are spread out among 40 posts
Ah, he is 80% town again suddenly. Why? No idea!
On April 23 2016 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 03:49 JustAnotherScummer wrote:On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence.
It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose.
So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine. I mean, I did get drunk last night. But this post pleading not to get yourself voted off before I even flip makes no sense. Lets play a great game Tumble. If I am not scum, and tomorrow is lylo. Who would you vote and why? Also why can't SL be scum here as well? Onegu and then Rels the next day. I'm 80% sure no one else is scum. SL is not scum because he's totally in line with his town meta by being cocky all game and he's not triggering my spidey senses in any way. He's at most the third scummiest in the game and would just be a stupid person to lynch at this point.
I guess for the age old reason that he is being cocky again. But then why was he only probably town in between? And where is the scumread from earlier gone?
Basically tumble avoids talking about SL before LYLO (and what he says there is really really shallow) as much as he can and his read progression on him makes 0 fucking sense.
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I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.
But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.
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