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JAT & OWS thoughts on that ?
On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
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Also tumble scum reads Rsoul and Sub yet votes with them on the GB wagon? Yeah that doesnt come from town
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Ok back later will check in when I can on the phone.
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On April 26 2016 03:16 Rels wrote:JAT & OWS thoughts on that ? Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target. Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
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And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
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On April 26 2016 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:16 Rels wrote:JAT & OWS thoughts on that ? On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target. On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu. I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
Sry but I refuse to lose to them when they are playing like that. I guess Onegu is putting a little effort now but that's the first time in 4 days.
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On April 26 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
You posted once 3 hours ago to attack a post of mine. Then 3 hours later when people are talking about lynching you you come back.
If you're town it's bad timing. If you're scum it makes sense. There are two reasonable possibilities, one as town and one as scum, therefore it was scummy? "bad timing" is not a reasonnable possility, it's a coincidence. I admit it's not a hard proof but it's a small scum indicator because there is a scum motivation to do it while as town it would just be a coincidence.
Well then you're scum for pushing me because as town you just coincidentally think I'm scum and as scum it wins you the game
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On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
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On April 26 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On April 26 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
You posted once 3 hours ago to attack a post of mine. Then 3 hours later when people are talking about lynching you you come back.
If you're town it's bad timing. If you're scum it makes sense. There are two reasonable possibilities, one as town and one as scum, therefore it was scummy? "bad timing" is not a reasonnable possility, it's a coincidence. I admit it's not a hard proof but it's a small scum indicator because there is a scum motivation to do it while as town it would just be a coincidence. Well then you're scum for pushing me because as town you just coincidentally think I'm scum and as scum it wins you the game
You would have a point if I was pushing you for this single reason.
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On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
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On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
Everyone scumread one of Superbia, Onegu, and me.
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On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make.
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On April 26 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Everyone scumread one of Superbia, Onegu, and me.
Palmar was the main guy against Superbia D1/N1.
Rsoul was the main girl against you D2/N2.
Gumshoe was the main guy against Onegu D3/N3.
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On April 26 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia. Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make.
Not really. If Onegu is town and gets mislynched this doesn't matter at all.
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On April 26 2016 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:16 Rels wrote:JAT & OWS thoughts on that ? On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote:
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target. On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote:
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu. I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
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Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ?
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On April 26 2016 03:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On April 26 2016 03:20 Rels wrote:On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason. Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble. Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia. Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make. Not really. If Onegu is town and gets mislynched this doesn't matter at all.
Look, I agree that gumshoe being doc means he could have been killed for something else than his reads.
OK I don't know what I'm arguing anymore p: I agree with what yoiu just said.
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On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ?
I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch.
I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it
Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions)
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On April 26 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 03:27 Rels wrote:
Tumble do you even have something to say ? What do you think of Onegu's recent posting ? What do you think of my response to you 3 hours ago where I said you were lying ? I think Onegu is scum trying to take advantage of my inactivity to escape a lynch. I don't have that response handy so I'll answer it once I find it Oh and here's something to say Onegu and Rels are still scum (but for real what is the point of those questions)
The point is that I think you're scum, I think you entered the thread only because people were talking about you, and you have no idea what to say.
Here is my post:
On April 25 2016 23:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though. What are you even saying here? I am saying two things here: - A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu. - I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it. So who's your second scum and why? Rels, on the charges of - having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's) - not being as townie as SL or JAT This doesn't make any sense. 1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ? 2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ? 3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ? 1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win. 2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days. 3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you. 1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot. 2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline: Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum: - he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though. - he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard. - he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1. - rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread - his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now Going to Shape now, then Onegu. 3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
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Tumble filter dive 2.0:
This has been discussed to death but it is really bad:
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
But it especially makes no sense considering what his reason to scumread Super is afterwards:
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:
null
most people
don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot
"Saying super is mafia because of burnout is a huge conclusion leap""Super is mafia because afk"
This doesn't work together very well. Also the "prefer vig shot" doesn't make any sense.
Shapelog made a meta case on tumble somewhere which he requoted before he got lynched. That was pretty on point. Examples of what mafia tumble is more likely to post than town tumble are those things:
On April 17 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
"Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier."
"Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul."
On April 19 2016 02:41 Tumblewood wrote:
OWS what is the point of these emoticons
"oh no he felt angry face he must be town"
On April 18 2016 06:00 Tumblewood wrote:
rsoultin why did you switch from "total scumlord tumblewood" to "eh i could shenanny gb"
ooh didn't see the reversal coming didya
Eod1 this was what made me townread tumble:
On April 17 2016 05:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i don't really see a way to not die here, so i'm going to just let you all vote me as long as i get 80 minutes of you listening to me and not treating me like i'm scum
I don't think it is impossible for him to do it as mafia though?
That was part 1. Part 2 will follow soon.
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