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On January 17 2016 06:35 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing.
I don't think that's enough to town read Ritoky on. For example,he has several scum games where he pushes the responsibility on someone else who is town. Down under I think he did this and he did it in a ongoing game which I can't talk about.
So I don't get your town read and your lack of suspicion about him after playing with two scum rut is a bit disconcerting especially when I want to tr you.
ritoky had a lot more material contentwise as mafia in the two games I've had with him and what made him mafia in both games I've had with him is not truing up here (if he should be mafia). I'm not saying he's inactive town, because the inactivity can come from either alignment. In any case, what I've mentioned is not a great heuristic, at best a very weak lean/gut call as I've mentioned before.
I'm still looking through other people and if I feel I have too many town reads then I have to go back to my weaker reads/null reads.
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On January 17 2016 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel's case is bad because I clearly did have a thought process too.
Dandred and ritoky didn't respond = mafia, ritoky and damdred did then respond = drop.
Rayn makes trash post about how I lied and I didn't and goes against his OWN logic about how I would never post those things unless I was town after calling me confirmed town to trfel and geript = mafia.
His responses weren't awful so i felt a modicum less effort and called him trash instead of mafia.
Nm takes this rayn post and says it's good even though rayn's post isn't good in the slightest since rayn bases his whole post on a misrep and multiple assumptions = mafia.
Trfel first post was garbage because of stuff people already explained but my hard on for rayn being mafia made me not care about trfel.
I still don't care about this game because it's shite and half the people aren't playing.
This makes ritoky mafia because he is super demotivated right after being motivated. This also makes palmar mafia because he took the easy option in lynching me after being motivated.
The last mafia is someone I don't care about.
So what, there is now 4 scum? Me, NM, ritoky and Palmar?
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And maybe Trfel too.... Guess you can find a couple more so mafia can win this by outnumbering the town on D1 and noone has to play.... 
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Also, Damdred -
which down under? 2 or 3?
Also pushing the responsibility? You are referring to the sheeping of VE? That as simple as it is, as I said can come from either alignment though. And in "that other game we can't talk about" there was additional evidence that indicated a lot of the responsibility laid with him and what he said there didn't line up with what happened. That's where the abdication of responsibility was more mafia indicative.
I know what you are saying but I don't feel that between "that other game" and here it's entirely the same situation.
Like I see what you are saying and I get why it makes you sceptical but there is a town motivation side to that too, and I can't really discount that without more evidence or process of elimination over time.
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On January 17 2016 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel's case is bad because I clearly did have a thought process too.
Dandred and ritoky didn't respond = mafia, ritoky and damdred did then respond = drop.
Rayn makes trash post about how I lied and I didn't and goes against his OWN logic about how I would never post those things unless I was town after calling me confirmed town to trfel and geript = mafia.
His responses weren't awful so i felt a modicum less effort and called him trash instead of mafia.
Nm takes this rayn post and says it's good even though rayn's post isn't good in the slightest since rayn bases his whole post on a misrep and multiple assumptions = mafia.
Trfel first post was garbage because of stuff people already explained but my hard on for rayn being mafia made me not care about trfel.
I still don't care about this game because it's shite and half the people aren't playing.
This makes ritoky mafia because he is super demotivated right after being motivated. This also makes palmar mafia because he took the easy option in lynching me after being motivated.
The last mafia is someone I don't care about. So what, there is now 4 scum? Me, NM, ritoky and Palmar?
Do you even read the posts before you respond?
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Like Holyflare, do you realize it's YOUR actions that made ritoky and Palmar (and others like Cephiro, Ace and me for example) not care about the D1 as much as we should/could? Yes, i have intentionally not wanted to post in this game for that reason at times. Do you understand that YOU gave a perfect excuse for anyone to just do what at least five people did in case they are mafia, because it's and expected outcome from people -- you can't even argue against it because we all can't possibly be mafia.
I understand everyone who haven't given fucks about the D1, because i feel the same.
So yeah, deal with the consequences then... Or what do you suggest we do? Lynch Palmar who can very well do this as town? IF he flips town, then what? Lynch ritoky? When he flips town too? Can we then lynch you? Because it's essentially YOUR fault they are playing like this (or well..not playing).
Because guess what... i suggest we lynch you since there is a high chance you are scum and in the worst place you flip town and then the people can't hide behind "i won't play because Holyflare" regardless of their affiliation.
Don't blame anyone for what you did yourself...
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I'm here. Can we lynch asm?
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Like.. .you got half of the game not playing.
It is a scummy thing to do that. You could have avoided it.
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On January 17 2016 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare, do you realize it's YOUR actions that made ritoky and Palmar (and others like Cephiro, Ace and me for example) not care about the D1 as much as we should/could? Yes, i have intentionally not wanted to post in this game for that reason at times. Do you understand that YOU gave a perfect excuse for anyone to just do what at least five people did in case they are mafia, because it's and expected outcome from people -- you can't even argue against it because we all can't possibly be mafia.
I understand everyone who haven't given fucks about the D1, because i feel the same.
So yeah, deal with the consequences then... Or what do you suggest we do? Lynch Palmar who can very well do this as town? IF he flips town, then what? Lynch ritoky? When he flips town too? Can we then lynch you? Because it's essentially YOUR fault they are playing like this (or well..not playing).
Because guess what... i suggest we lynch you since there is a high chance you are scum and in the worst place you flip town and then the people can't hide behind "i won't play because Holyflare" regardless of their affiliation.
Don't blame anyone for what you did yourself...
Hahahaha but I'm mafia right? Ok rayn
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Or someone like Ace. I don't think I've ever lynched Ace when I'm town.
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I think it's 2 it was a postvrestriction game I was in.
Town Ritoky generally takes responsibility and pushes what he thinks. I don't even really know of there is much reason exactly for rot to town 've here besides just someone to,sheep for sheep sake
Besides that there were other things in the other game as well I agree. Like I agree town motivated side is town looks for someone to sheep they trust and does so. But there's also rayn and his soul read buddy me in here, so do you think 've deserved that type of sleeping at this poibt?
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Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.
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On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.
Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun....
Fuck you.
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I have no clue what Damdred meant.
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On January 17 2016 06:54 geript wrote:
Or someone like Ace. I don't think I've ever lynched Ace when I'm town.
When I scumread Ace, VE said Ace isn't a good day 1 lynch based on meta, no dispute on that yet. If you have a different viewpoint that isn't policy lynch, let's hear it.
Re ASM, why? same argument? I'm making sense of where he's grappling between HF/Trfel.
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On January 17 2016 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11. Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun.... Fuck you.
You've ignored everything I've said and basically painted me as an idiot.
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EBWOP - no dispute from anyone else on that yet.
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That was to nm we were talking about ritoky.
I'm sort of trying to have fun ignoring hf and rayn. Hf is going to claim a role when his counter hits 0.
People who aren't playing and blame hf have themselves to blame, hf might be a duck for doing it like this. Marv was a duck, both are my friends. We are all responsible for our actions and we can only blame ourselves for not playing if we don't.
So I'm playing, lynch hf if it makes you feel better but I'll get info while I can.
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On January 17 2016 06:59 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 06:54 geript wrote:
Or someone like Ace. I don't think I've ever lynched Ace when I'm town. When I scumread Ace, VE said Ace isn't a good day 1 lynch based on meta, no dispute on that yet. If you have a different viewpoint that isn't policy lynch, let's hear it. Re ASM, why? same argument? I'm making sense of where he's grappling between HF/Trfel.
Yes same argument. It's the compilation post that made 0 sense I addition to his other senseless posts.
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Rayn has basically painted me as town but then used a sentence to call me mafia instead
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