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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On January 17 2016 06:59 geript wrote: You've ignored everything I've said and basically painted me as an idiot. I am sorry but no, you did that. you even called me an idiot when i was trying to argue with you. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
If you're not mafia you're playing super badly. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but no, you did that. you even called me an idiot when i was trying to argue with you. Well we're friends not enemies and I don't think you're scum. So can we lynch someone who's not town? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
So, go figure. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 17 2016 04:34 Holyflare wrote: Holy shit you're dumb. I never ever said those posts were a lie. Ever. I did not want to play in this reroll. Those posts are 100% genuine. I saw damdred's reaction was non existent and continued posting whine to see if it would continue. It didn't. Your case on me is destroyed so why am I mafia rayn? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:04 geript wrote: My arguments make sense. I'm maybe not explaining them well. Let me take this a different direction then - because unless you further break down the ASM not making sense -> exclusively mafia (through what? distortion of the facts??? playing it safe?) I'm looking at your post 191 and you are (apparently?) scumreading ASM for not commenting on someone? At best that's pre-associative if I am understanding you right. You said you didn't want to lynch VE off a single quote and it was based on Palmar. So, what are your thoughts on Palmar and his approach to HF/Trfel? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
AlotSomuch On January 16 2016 01:21 AlotSomuch wrote: After looking at it again sober, Rayn is town. I see no rayn-flaw in his rayn-logic. Yet all the same, I'm starting to think Holeyflair is still probably town, specifically the karmic counterpart to Marvellin of last round. Kind of holding the game hostage and not wanting to play because he expected to be killed early and doesn't want to go an extra 24 hours into a game he signed up for. SHAME. SHAME. Also, I think Edumb1892 actually quit? He hasn't been back since his single "/out" post. Right now I can see sixlover and trifle as scum here. Sixlover's pointless posting to appear relevant without saying anything in a way that offends me more than others. Trifle's gross post. maybe throw Getripped in there too, though he could just be wrong on Rayn. But that is initial scum team prediction. Of those I dislike Trifle's post the most, so current vote goes on Trifle. ##VOTE TRIFLE Dislikes the post and considers it horrible (as do most in the thread at that point?), but never brings up any reason why. On January 17 2016 01:49 AlotSomuch wrote: Caught up; I assume a smurf is a secondary account for an existing player? I'm less confident on my trifle read right now, as the rest of his play today has been more on point and town. And I actually like his case on HoleyFlair. Still feel he is a good secondary wagon for right now, especially with no vote changer roles. Anyone feel like telling me about Palmira's town/scum tells? And has Cephire even posted? 1. Feels less confident about Trfel, yet doesn't point out specific reasons why. (Saying play is more town / more scum means nothing if you don't clarify what exactly are the things that make you feel that way.) 2. Regardless of #1, wants to keep Trfel as a 2ndary wagon? 3. Doesn't point out any specifics about what he agrees with about the Holyflare case. On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote: Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD. Agrees with the point rayn made, and considers it enough of a reason to keep voting Trfel, then mentions how he's been looking better than Holyflare. Talks about how Holy has the majority of votes and expects rayn to swap target to Trfel if he ends up seeming more scummy? Why not swap his on vote on holyflare that he considers more scummy and pressure him further, rather than constantly keep two viable lynch options that both take turns being scummier than the other? Mind you, he still hasn't presented any logical reasoning (only that he agrees/disagrees with points previously made, or feels more/less towny/scummy about a person, never anything specific). On January 17 2016 02:20 AlotSomuch wrote: No, those were mostly it. He presented a viable alternate candidate and made some good points on him. VISCERAEYES, looking back, you voted Trifle but never actually put it in the voting thread. Are you still feeling he is the best candidate, and if so are you going to be putting your vote back there? Gauging interest / encouraging to vote for Trfel, while just mentioning he considers Trfel's case on Holyflare good enough to support? On January 17 2016 02:35 AlotSomuch wrote: I think Trifle is the more likely mafia of the two, but Holeyflair is definitely a possible mafia. If holeyflair gets lynched and flips mafia, I'll probably back off of Trifle. Suddenly back to thinking Trfel is the more likely mafia, why would he ever take the case on Holyflare made by Trfel seriously if he considers Trfel mafia? No specific reasoning and never anything of substance regarding any other player in the game, while having been around and posted a decent bit. He also isn't really committing trying to lynch either player (not that it looks like it's necessary right now?), and gives me off a vibe that is more about wanting to convey a feeling of "I've been sharing my opinion and participated", rather than "I'm trying to lynch my mafia read." Thus; ##Vote: AlotSomuch | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Damdred Rayn Geript Hf Trfel NM Maybe town 've cause geript told,me so Asm These are my git and leaves a lot of room | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Vote Count Holyflare (3): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Ace Trfel (3): AlotSomuch, NocturneMage, geript raynpelikoneet! (1): Holyflare NocturneMage (1): Trfel AlotSomuch (1): Cephiro Not voted (4): VisceraEyes, ritoky, DoYouHas, Damdred Currently, Holyflare is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 17 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Your argument on Alot is basically that he is scum because his reads post is worded improperly and the reads are based on shit reasons. But at the same time you think that Alot leaves his vote on Trfel (who you scumread), calls me town (who you townread) and doesn't wanna vote for Holyflare (who you townread). Geez geript, there were three reads, all of which you agree with. Then you back up your argument with "Alot can't do anything because rayn, Palmar, HF and geript have "decided" already in which way the lynch goes". I could agree with this except at the same time you don't even fucking know if the dude knows anyone in this game except for me. So that doesn't make any sense to think that Alot knows we are (aside from me) strong minded players anyways. And in your scenario here, you think that Alot doesn't want to vote for town!Holyflare instead of scum!Trfel because of what????? Why the fuck wouldn't he vote for town!Holyflare instead of scum!Trfel if he is mafia? He could just go "wow let's sheep rayn here" and noone could blame him for that. So yeah, the whole thing you claim Alot is scum for is based on very very sketchy reasons geript, it's like bullshit because you cannot think these all things at the same time and invent a motivation for Alot -- a motivation that would in your opinion be "the most likely play from mafia!Alot", especially when you claim you don't know what the dude is/isn't capable of posting and if he would bus or not, because the basic assumption SHOULD be that mafia people want to vote for town people over other mafia people if they can. So yeah, your case and your thought process is literally bullshit and i am quite sure you are mafia for it. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 17 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote: I think it's 2 it was a postvrestriction game I was in. Town Ritoky generally takes responsibility and pushes what he thinks. I don't even really know of there is much reason exactly for rot to town 've here besides just someone to,sheep for sheep sake Besides that there were other things in the other game as well I agree. Like I agree town motivated side is town looks for someone to sheep they trust and does so. But there's also rayn and his soul read buddy me in here, so do you think 've deserved that type of sleeping at this poibt? Okay, so this is basically a meta-related argument you are making against ritoky. I wasn't aware of the relationship/knowledge/whatever you want to call it between him and rayn, but I am aware of it between you and him. That's making some sense - I honestly don't know enough to figure out how much stock he should or shouldn't be putting into who he's sheeping and how much, I know he said he had a positive read sometime back on VE in Fullmetal but he was mafia in Fullmetal. IDK. But your argument is making sense....still don't think at this time it's enough to make ritoky top lynch though. | ||
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AlotSomuch
95 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:09 Cephiro wrote: AlotSomuch Dislikes the post and considers it horrible (as do most in the thread at that point?), but never brings up any reason why. excuse you, I elaborated on this point when asked by Trifle, and he himself actually said he got where I was coming from. 1. Feels less confident about Trfel, yet doesn't point out specific reasons why. (Saying play is more town / more scum means nothing if you don't clarify what exactly are the things that make you feel that way.) 2. Regardless of #1, wants to keep Trfel as a 2ndary wagon? 3. Doesn't point out any specifics about what he agrees with about the Holyflare case. Agrees with the point rayn made, and considers it enough of a reason to keep voting Trfel, then mentions how he's been looking better than Holyflare. Talks about how Holy has the majority of votes and expects rayn to swap target to Trfel if he ends up seeming more scummy? Why not swap his on vote on holyflare that he considers more scummy and pressure him further, rather than constantly keep two viable lynch options that both take turns being scummier than the other? Mind you, he still hasn't presented any logical reasoning (only that he agrees/disagrees with points previously made, or feels more/less towny/scummy about a person, never anything specific). Gauging interest / encouraging to vote for Trfel, while just mentioning he considers Trfel's case on Holyflare good enough to support? Suddenly back to thinking Trfel is the more likely mafia, why would he ever take the case on Holyflare made by Trfel seriously if he considers Trfel mafia? No specific reasoning and never anything of substance regarding any other player in the game, while having been around and posted a decent bit. He also isn't really committing trying to lynch either player (not that it looks like it's necessary right now?), and gives me off a vibe that is more about wanting to convey a feeling of "I've been sharing my opinion and participated", rather than "I'm trying to lynch my mafia read." Thus; ##Vote: AlotSomuch Honestly most of this is utter crap where you answer your previous question with my very next quote or leave out the quotes where I answer these same questions from other players. This is a skimmy case made of skimmy facts and skimmy reasons, but a whole lot of crap. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:14 NocturneMage wrote: Okay, so this is basically a meta-related argument you are making against ritoky. I wasn't aware of the relationship/knowledge/whatever you want to call it between him and rayn, but I am aware of it between you and him. That's making some sense - I honestly don't know enough to figure out how much stock he should or shouldn't be putting into who he's sheeping and how much, I know he said he had a positive read sometime back on VE in Fullmetal but he was mafia in Fullmetal. IDK. But your argument is making sense....still don't think at this time it's enough to make ritoky top lynch though. Honestly I don't know that I want to lynch him to say as I do think if he starts scrapping town rainbows he's an asset. The other nonprescenses in the thread worry me a bit,more. Don't you think? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Cause why deal with specifics if you don't have to, right? If you are town, you should know much better than nodding or shaking your head. Opinions aren't going to get anyone lynched, you have to provide actual reasons and own thoughts+points on stuff. I'll keep pushing you for lynch as is. Admit what I pointed out and explain me how it doesn't make you mafia, or prove me wrong if you want me to take you seriously. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
That is how and likely why I came to the opposite conclusion on him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:16 Damdred wrote: Honestly I don't know that I want to lynch him to say as I do think if he starts scrapping town rainbows he's an asset. The other nonprescenses in the thread worry me a bit,more. Don't you think? Well Ceph just posted a big case right now if he's trying to get more information on/from a scumread....but right now it's similar to how people are reading mderg for sounding too broad. I realise ASM and mderg are two different players here but it's a similar problem. I think the case, barring additional purpose/information is pretty bad. And DYH is a low-volume poster as either alignment, only substantive post he has could come from either alignment. Like I'm still going through a few other things atm, but if all else fails, I will fall back on a policy lynch. I'm also a bit puzzled as to the collective hesitation on Palmar (barring weekend inactivity). | ||
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