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On October 26 2015 09:04 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:01 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:57 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:52 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB.... Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though. Mainly referring to his meta defense of me, genuine-feeling rant about being voted for and going after rayn instead of Slam in that situation.... I guess none of those are really impossible from scum, it's just that each thing felt more likely to come from town. I love calling people town for good reasons as mafia lol, it makes me feel honest because I don't have to lie to everyone about what I think for once. Rant thing, okay. What do you mean by going after rayn instead of Slam? This post where he votes rayn? On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
I'm voting rayn Ah yeah, I mean, he went directly against rayn (who was losing steam and a tougher opponent than Slam) instead of just voting for Slam or going AFK or something. In the worst case, that could have led to him being lynched... If marv jumped on that vote switch etc.
I think you're talking about when him and rayn were kind of yelling at each other? Like he could have voted for Slam or gone AFK at that point, but doing that makes him look uninterested in the lynch/doesn't give him something to post about. Whereas if he just argues with rayn for a little bit, he looks active and opinionated just for yelling at rayn for reading him wrong.
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It sure would be great if rayn would come back to the thread. And also if yamato and Hopeless would do stuff.
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On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote:
Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after.
In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum.
The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy
you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed
If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a giving waffley sons of bitches the benefit of the doubt simulator.
As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb.
[quote]Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads
Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA
Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax
meh
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more[/quote]
Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-.
Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that?
cmon Chrom T_T.
So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah?
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On October 26 2015 08:23 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....
- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point
- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before
So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy. marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different. And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter. And no, I'm not mafia. Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn. I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now. Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone. Remember how Yamato attacked you for bullshiting against Vivax? Then casually switched over to accusing Vivax once the chance of your lynch evaporated? Theory- wouldn't that make sense, if you were wrong about Vivax and Yamato knew this cause he was scum?(hence why he was so certain you were making shit up as you went along, from his perspective as scum it would look exactly like that to him no matter you were saying about Vivax, cause the bottom line would be that your wrong)he then was fine with switching onto Vivax because wait for it! Hes scum -_- Proposal- Lets lynch Yamato, then we can come back to Vivax, if Yamato is scum, then wouldn't that tell you a bit about Vivax?
I wouldn't do that kind of association because they could be bussing. Yamato never really voted Vivax and Vivax forgot about him to focus on me. It wouldn't really tell me much.
Let's see how the day will unfold.
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In appreciation of gumshoe's unbelievable amount of effort and good points (compared to what I expected from him especially), have my vote for today.
I doubt yamato will flip town and it's especially interesting to note that yeah, yamato/GB hardly makes sense... Meaning that lynching one of them would make sense here, and I think yamato is the better choice.
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Now I should really finally go to sleep...
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I'd lynch onegu first anyway.
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On October 26 2015 09:19 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:04 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 09:01 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:57 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:52 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB.... Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though. Mainly referring to his meta defense of me, genuine-feeling rant about being voted for and going after rayn instead of Slam in that situation.... I guess none of those are really impossible from scum, it's just that each thing felt more likely to come from town. I love calling people town for good reasons as mafia lol, it makes me feel honest because I don't have to lie to everyone about what I think for once. Rant thing, okay. What do you mean by going after rayn instead of Slam? This post where he votes rayn? On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
I'm voting rayn Ah yeah, I mean, he went directly against rayn (who was losing steam and a tougher opponent than Slam) instead of just voting for Slam or going AFK or something. In the worst case, that could have led to him being lynched... If marv jumped on that vote switch etc. I think you're talking about when him and rayn were kind of yelling at each other? Like he could have voted for Slam or gone AFK at that point, but doing that makes him look uninterested in the lynch/doesn't give him something to post about. Whereas if he just argues with rayn for a little bit, he looks active and opinionated just for yelling at rayn for reading him wrong.
Oh yeah this... Well anything is possible, and maybe I'm a bit biased since he was one of the few to support me in that situation, but... I just think it's a bit risky to do anything "splashy" when he was still in danger zone himself. Safer to stay low, I guess?
I think there's merit in your meta arguments and the way how GB has pretty much just scumread Vivax all game for weak reasons, but I still don't think GB is the primary suspect today.
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On October 26 2015 09:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote:
Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after. In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum.
I mean he literally explains "I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu" right?
The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy Show nested quote +you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a simulator.
This is something I think you're misreading, I assume the underlined part in the nested quote is the intended reading of that:
On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:ebwop yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed
As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb. Show nested quote +Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads
Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA
Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax
meh
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-. Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that? cmon Chrom T_T. So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah?
I am a firm believer in the fact that the best lynch is always the one that is most likely to flip mafia, and I think that's GB over yamato at this point. Lynching for information like this is nearly always a really bad idea. And after we get a mafia flip, there will be lots of information to analyze regardless of who it is. GB's flip might not say much about yamato's alignment (haven't really thought about it), but it would definitely give information on a bunch of other people. But that's something to worry about once we have a mafia flip, which is priority number one.
This post kind of turned out to be a semi-yamato defense which I don't want to do any more of, because I think it's better if yamato himself explains what he was thinking in response to your case. So keep pursuing him if you think he has the objectively best chance to flip mafia! Hopefully he'll come back and explain his thought process to you and then we'll all have a better idea of his alignment.
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I'm voting yamato atm but I prefer an onegu lynch better
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Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?
Not that I disagree with lynching him.
Maybe I'll get to sleep soon...
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On October 26 2015 10:02 Xatalos wrote:
Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?
Not that I disagree with lynching him.
Maybe I'll get to sleep soon...
Basically I can never read onegu, and I can read yamato better the later we get in the game.
We will never know Onegu's alignment until endgame. Because that's how he is. And I prefer to have him lynch as soon as possible.
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On October 26 2015 09:58 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote:
Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after. In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum. I mean he literally explains "I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu" right? Show nested quote +The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a giving waffley sons of bitches the benefit of the doubt simulator. This is something I think you're misreading, I assume the underlined part in the nested quote is the intended reading of that: Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 24 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:ebwop yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed Show nested quote +As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb. Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads
Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA
Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax
meh
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-. Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that? cmon Chrom T_T. So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah? I am a firm believer in the fact that the best lynch is always the one that is most likely to flip mafia, and I think that's GB over yamato at this point. Lynching for information like this is nearly always a really bad idea. And after we get a mafia flip, there will be lots of information to analyze regardless of who it is. GB's flip might not say much about yamato's alignment (haven't really thought about it), but it would definitely give information on a bunch of other people. But that's something to worry about once we have a mafia flip, which is priority number one. This post kind of turned out to be a semi-yamato defense which I don't want to do any more of, because I think it's better if yamato himself explains what he was thinking in response to your case. So keep pursuing him if you think he has the objectively best chance to flip mafia! Hopefully he'll come back and explain his thought process to you and then we'll all have a better idea of his alignment.
I really have no idea why your defending Yamato. Like your working so hard to make it out as if "no you dont understand, he never thought slam was scum" when he at the very LEAST figured he wasn't likely town. Which is the same pretty much -_- like, this Yamato person you imagine is so vauge with his reads that I can build an entire case against him based off how shoddy his posts comes off (thats how misleading he is) and this is a person you want to defend? How can you back up such unrestrained waffle hood. At this point I'm convinced your just arguing your point cause your just so super tunneled on Gb youll find way to disprove anyone elses argument to get your way. Which ironically is just the same with Gb and his vivax tunnel XD
How can you not see that your acting the same as the person you want to lynch? It stuns me beyond measure.
I'm also not lynching for info, I know 100 percent that if yam is scum then Gb is town. Therefore my goal is to convince you to lynch Yam not just to lynch scum, but so that I can prevent a Gb lynch down the road. If we lynch onegu, then that solves nothing even if hes scum. Great the troll flipped red wot now. If we lynch Yamato (who I am convinced is the most scummy player if that helps you bite down)then we can for certain know Gb is town. If you think otherwise then I'll just have to accept having one less vote to work with -_- which sucks cause I am pretty certain your green at this point.
Players like you have developed all these shitty stigmas against meta and connections that youve gotten scared to make reads beyond "hmm this guy has been posting like shit, must be scum!".
Going from a point "ie x had scum knowledge available to them" and looking at they're play from that lens is a valid tactic to anylyze behavior -_-
Right now I can see the game unfolding before me. Yamato is the lynch pin, this is the turning point.
One of Yamato and Gb is scum, the other is town. If we guess right, we can prevent a mislynch, guess wrong and were one step closer to losing. Mafia is about knowing the right player to sheep more often than not : P today thats me, tommorow its you : D Forget about your tunnel, just do me this one favor this one time. I have found scum. Help me kill that scum.
now pretty fucking please, get in mah pen.
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On October 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:02 Xatalos wrote:
Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?
Not that I disagree with lynching him.
Maybe I'll get to sleep soon... Basically I can never read onegu, and I can read yamato better the later we get in the game. We will never know Onegu's alignment until endgame. Because that's how he is. And I prefer to have him lynch as soon as possible.
If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD
His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote.
I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you
-_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD
To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue...
Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO.
I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either.
WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD
That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen
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Also gb the reason I want to lynch Yamato instead of Onegu(beyond yam being clearly scum if that's not enough) is so that we can skip the whole day 2 endeavor of trying to not get you mislynched. If Yam flips red you are in the fucking clear forever. You proving your innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt is THE best thing you can do for town right now. We can deal with Onegu for another day, but what can happen if we mislynch is the following-
Onegue lynched- flips green(hopefully not but yah never know)- Gb must be scum -gb lynched- town fucked. Fuck that nightmare scenario. Yam is scum, we kill Yam, we profit and avoid going under.
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gumshoe...
I just don't have a problem with his Slam read. I don't really want to talk about it any more though because I think that's something he should explain more, but it's not a point against him in my book.
Comparing my push on GB to GB's push on Vivax is just silly. I have, in my opinion, a rock solid case that's supported by hard evidence. That's nothing like the "case" on Vivax.
I think you are reading too much into associations. You do not know 100% that GB is town if yamato is mafia, and that's based on yamato being mafia anyway, which is what we should be focusing on! Possible association reads that happen based on a flip (which there will almost certainly be some of regardless of who we're lynching) should not affect the central objective, which is lynching mafia. Say we lynch GB and he flips mafia-- now we can go into his filter and get association reads from the people he interacted with.
I have not developed any stigma against meta at all. In fact, meta is a central point of my case against GB. I do have a problem with unflipped associations, because they're very often a bad idea.
Basically, yamato might flip scum. But I do not think he's the best lynch today compared to GB and Onegu. So we can agree to disagree, and I'll push my reads while you push yours.
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On October 26 2015 10:56 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe...
I just don't have a problem with his Slam read. I don't really want to talk about it any more though because I think that's something he should explain more, but it's not a point against him in my book.
Comparing my push on GB to GB's push on Vivax is just silly. I have, in my opinion, a rock solid case that's supported by hard evidence. That's nothing like the "case" on Vivax.
I think you are reading too much into associations. You do not know 100% that GB is town if yamato is mafia, and that's based on yamato being mafia anyway, which is what we should be focusing on! Possible association reads that happen based on a flip (which there will almost certainly be some of regardless of who we're lynching) should not affect the central objective, which is lynching mafia. Say we lynch GB and he flips mafia-- now we can go into his filter and get association reads from the people he interacted with.
I have not developed any stigma against meta at all. In fact, meta is a central point of my case against GB. I do have a problem with unflipped associations, because they're very often a bad idea.
Basically, yamato might flip scum. But I do not think he's the best lynch today compared to GB and Onegu. So we can agree to disagree, and I'll push my reads while you push yours.
Scum doesnt try and send the best player in the game against thier own team mates. If you cant accept that then I cannot trust or take seriusly anything you say. If you want to assert that associations don't mean that much, your free to do that. But if you seriously think that an experienced scumer would do that out of the blue to their own teammate. Then I have no clue what kind of people you imagine playing this game.
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I don't think yamato saying that "I would have pressured GB more" to marv means that they're 100% not together, by any stretch of the imagination. I think that associations are important, but usually not worth considering before we have a mafia flip.
Xatalos, I'd be interested to hear what convinced you to switch from Onegu to yamato.
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Anyway gumshoe, I'm confident that you're town so I'm not sure if this is the most productive conversation to be having if you're dead set on yamato today. We can agree to disagree at this point.
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On October 26 2015 11:26 Chromatically wrote:
Anyway gumshoe, I'm confident that you're town so I'm not sure if this is the most productive conversation to be having if you're dead set on yamato today. We can agree to disagree at this point.
Lets change tak, Dont go anywhere. I'm busy tearing your argument against Gb to shreads. The format was really confusing so I hadn't dug into yet, but it's riddled with holes so if you really insist on staying aboard then I'll have blow the ship out from under you.
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