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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 08:25 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:11 Xatalos wrote:
After some consideration, I revoted for Onegu. Read this again:
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
He simply doesn't care about catching scum, at all. And he's contradicting his own reads and offering messed up arguments that he can't answer for when probed.
LYNCH ONEGU!
I think I'd like to give rayn and GB another day, perhaps.
yamato seems like a fine lynch too. I definitely don't disagree with anything you've said here and I am in favor of an Onegu lynch. Sadly, "not caring about catching scum" doesn't only apply to him this game, it easily applies to GB, Hopeless, yamato at least. The one point "in favor" of him compared to GB in my opinion is that he usually (to my knowledge, haven't checked very much) plays like this, with extreme low effort. There's still some time in the day though so we can see what happens, it's possible I decide that Onegu is a better lynch later depending on how things go. Having GB and Onegu as the wagons is excellent though.
+1 to lots of this post
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On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....
- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point
- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before
So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy. marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different. And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter. And no, I'm not mafia. Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn. I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now. Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone.
Hm... ritoky?  In any case, seems decent enough.
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On October 26 2015 08:25 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:11 Xatalos wrote:
After some consideration, I revoted for Onegu. Read this again:
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
He simply doesn't care about catching scum, at all. And he's contradicting his own reads and offering messed up arguments that he can't answer for when probed.
LYNCH ONEGU!
I think I'd like to give rayn and GB another day, perhaps.
yamato seems like a fine lynch too. I definitely don't disagree with anything you've said here and I am in favor of an Onegu lynch. Sadly, "not caring about catching scum" doesn't only apply to him this game, it easily applies to GB, Hopeless, yamato at least. The one point "in favor" of him compared to GB in my opinion is that he usually (to my knowledge, haven't checked very much) plays like this, with extreme low effort. There's still some time in the day though so we can see what happens, it's possible I decide that Onegu is a better lynch later depending on how things go. Having GB and Onegu as the wagons is excellent though.
Hm, I think Onegu/yamato seems better.... I think there's actually a chance GB is town...
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The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv.
Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game.
people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat.
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Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB....
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On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv. Show nested quote +Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat.
Hm... Well I'm not really opposed to consolidating on yamato. Right now I just think there's slightly more reason to lynch Onegu since he's done so many things unexplainable as town.
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On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv. Show nested quote +Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat.
LOL that quote was originally about GB and Onegu. Thanks for helping my case 
And is it actually true that "people expect things of yamato"? I was under the impression that he's been mislynched a fair few times for lurking/doing nothing as town too.
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On October 26 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh yes, ritoky.
Well I can't read ritoky tbh. Tone reading, he seems townie.
But he lacks some insightful posts that I usually expects him to do as town.
Ritoky is town for the same Reason Yamato is scum.
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.
It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)
compare this to Yam
no (in reponse to a last second bus on Onegu)
I find it hard to believe that Yam actually considered Slam more scummy then Onegu(this really was slams best game in a while). When prompted to switch he didn't, if he is scum, no matter what Onegu flips it's bad for him. If Onegu flips town, Yamato just led a last second switch off his Slam scum read making him look pretty terrible... If Onegu is scum, he just killed a teamate for no reason XD.
Tldr, anyone who was apart of the last second push onto Onegu is probally town, Yamato was not one of these people though he had the chance to be, this in conjunction with his other sketchiness means Yamato is the best lynch T_T please vote for Yamato.
Yamato 2015
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I've seen town yamato be a lurker once before. Then he really just didn't post much at all... Here he's posted a bit more, but there's really nothing noteworthy, so I think it's a bit worse. And he does have very good town games as well (the majority I'd think).
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On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB....
Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though.
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On October 26 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv. Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat. LOL that quote was originally about GB and Onegu. Thanks for helping my case And is it actually true that "people expect things of yamato"? I was under the impression that he's been mislynched a fair few times for lurking/doing nothing as town too.
I know XD I blurred out GB's name. Yamato is a very experienced player, even when lurking you can see his usefulness. Theres none of that this game, all his actions have been a detriment to town. Onegu is a shit poster troll with a place in callers pantheon. Theres really no comparison between them.
Also do you really think Gb is scum with Yamato? If not (which is what you should think, cause thinking otherwise would be derp) then just vote Yamato, he is far sketchier then Gb XD and if he flips scum you can easily rule out Gb as a suspect. This lynch is basically as good as lynching Gb, except we get to keep Gb and lynch scum : D
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On October 26 2015 08:52 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB.... Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though.
Mainly referring to his meta defense of me, genuine-feeling rant about being voted for and going after rayn instead of Slam in that situation.... I guess none of those are really impossible from scum, it's just that each thing felt more likely to come from town.
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gumshoe, lots of people weren't involved in a switch onto gumshoe and they clearly aren't all mafia. I didn't switch and marv didn't switch at the very least.
Honestly I'm not that convinced on yamato at all. He's like 90% a lurker lynch for me. I don't think he's done anything I found particularly scummy (other than not posting a lot) so I feel like it's a coinflip compared to GB/Onegu.
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On October 26 2015 08:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv. Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat. LOL that quote was originally about GB and Onegu. Thanks for helping my case And is it actually true that "people expect things of yamato"? I was under the impression that he's been mislynched a fair few times for lurking/doing nothing as town too. I know XD I blurred out GB's name. Yamato is a very experienced player, even when lurking you can see his usefulness. Theres none of that this game, all his actions have been a detriment to town. Onegu is a shit poster troll with a place in callers pantheon. Theres really no comparison between them. Also do you really think Gb is scum with Yamato? If not (which is what you should think, cause thinking otherwise would be derp) then just vote Yamato, he is far sketchier then Gb XD and if he flips scum you can easily rule out Gb as a suspect. This lynch is basically as good as lynching Gb, except we get to keep Gb and lynch scum : D
haha.... Take an upvote for the funny post
I keep wondering if this is really the same gumshoe I played with in a couple of games before. I don't think I've ever seen you even make a single good post before, and this game is filled with good posts from you.
I'm almost ready to quit Mafia if gumshoe is scum in this game. That's how surprised I'd be.
I'll leave my vote on Onegu for now, but if it comes down to it, I'll join the yamato wagon.
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On October 26 2015 08:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:52 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB.... Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though. Mainly referring to his meta defense of me, genuine-feeling rant about being voted for and going after rayn instead of Slam in that situation.... I guess none of those are really impossible from scum, it's just that each thing felt more likely to come from town.
I love calling people town for good reasons as mafia lol, it makes me feel honest because I don't have to lie to everyone about what I think for once. Rant thing, okay. What do you mean by going after rayn instead of Slam? This post where he votes rayn?
On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
I'm voting rayn
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On October 26 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, lots of people weren't involved in a switch onto gumshoe and they clearly aren't all mafia. I didn't switch and marv didn't switch at the very least.
Honestly I'm not that convinced on yamato at all. He's like 90% a lurker lynch for me. I don't think he's done anything I found particularly scummy (other than not posting a lot) so I feel like it's a coinflip compared to GB/Onegu.
I never said that 0_0 only that the people who switched onto Onegu are town, the Yamato thing was just a bonus.
explain to me how his slam read makes sense from a town perspective.
Also answer my godamm question
ARE YAMATO
AND GB
SCUM
TOGETHER.
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On October 26 2015 09:01 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:57 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:52 Chromatically wrote:On October 26 2015 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
Like, I went to GB's filter thinking "let's see if there's anything scummy I missed", came out of it thinking "there are scummy traits and then bits and pieces of towny moments". Scum? Could well be. Town? It's possible as well. I don't think it's a sure case. Onegu/yamato seem safer, and I'd perhaps put even rayn above GB.... Hmm. I think the meta points are much stronger than any bits of lightly town moments that can be found in his filter. Honestly after playing as mafia in a few games I feel like making posts that sound vaguely townie as mafia isn't that hard. I guess that depends on what kind of stuff specifically you're talking about though. Mainly referring to his meta defense of me, genuine-feeling rant about being voted for and going after rayn instead of Slam in that situation.... I guess none of those are really impossible from scum, it's just that each thing felt more likely to come from town. I love calling people town for good reasons as mafia lol, it makes me feel honest because I don't have to lie to everyone about what I think for once. Rant thing, okay. What do you mean by going after rayn instead of Slam? This post where he votes rayn? Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
I'm voting rayn
Ah yeah, I mean, he went directly against rayn (who was losing steam and a tougher opponent than Slam) instead of just voting for Slam or going AFK or something. In the worst case, that could have led to him being lynched... If marv jumped on that vote switch etc.
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And marv was supporting rayn there too...
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Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after.
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