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Day 2 Vote Count
raynpelikoneet (2): Xatalos, Blazinghand
GlowingBear (1): Chromatically
Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet, Onegu
Onegu (1): Vivax
Not Voting (7): marvellosity, gumshoe, GlowingBear, Hopeless1der, Onegu, ritoky, yamato77
Looks like it's time to sack raynpelikoneet for being a traitor!
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On October 26 2015 05:40 ritoky wrote:
i wanna take a moment to talk about xata, and why he isn't in the top of my town list; but why i cannot support a lynch on him today unless epiphanies are delivered upon me from the holy mafia mother.
xata might be town because he hasn't stopped thinking and posting thoughts even if they go too far into the future. he is considering things to the point of wasted brain power. further his activity is 1/4th of the entire thread (which makes it slightly unreadable at times). it is clear that the effort level is there, and as of now with how few people are actually attempting to solve the game, i am completely compelled to give out modest effort based reads alone. in terms of content he has thought more extreme versions of what i have thought on multiple occasions and has pushed for his word to be law.
why i am hesitant about xata is because of a game i played somewhat recently. there was this guy who some1 invited from another forum playing on TL for the first time i think. he came into the thread, spammed non-stop, yelled at everyone, didn't read what anyone typed, made multiple people want to quit/sub out of the game, and pushed some of the dumbest and most forced crap i have ever read. to me he was obvious mafia, but every1 else was all like "no way 1st time player on forums does x or is this toxic". he then subbed out and was replaced by a nice quiet dude on N2 or D3 who we never lynched and got rekt. the point of this whole story and references that i didn't look up is that xata has given me ripples of those same feels at points this game.
also i realized...i am getting shot in the face tonight aren't i? that blows.
I hate you, I hate and your town and I hate and I hope you get shot. But we really should work together, personally I think Xata is someone to look at late late once weve exhausted all other options. Going by the night 1 (marv/active townie) trend he might actually be shot in the next two days. Basic rule of thumb, dont lynch someone who who seems likely to get shot before the game ends. Atm we have 8 townies and 3 scum.
Which means we have 3 mislynches left till, which also means there going to be two more shots provided hit scum. Bh and xata are two people I could see dying via shot, in Xata's case if only to kill thread activity and throw shade on Rayn. Even if they are both scum, that still leaves a third member who we can lynch, so there's no reason to kill them till we have to. If scum directly avoid killing them by shooting players like me or you who aren't totally as clear, we can probally just call that a win for town without diving into wifom wifom wifom as you say.
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i think you misread a lot of what i typed or something. but nice to know i have fans.
i wanna lynch gb, hopeless, rayn, and yamato atm.
might as well start somewhere, voted gb.
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<3 ritoky
I'm just going to say that mafia is GlowingBear/Onegu/Hopeless for the point of postgame cred. I honestly feel pretty good about that.
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Don't pay attention to the Hopeless part now though because that's mostly dependent on the other two being mafia.
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Actually it kind of isn't, Hopeless looks pretty terrible. He just kind of asks some random questions that he doesn't do anything with and throws a vote on Slam, then peaces out later. He's third in line for me regardless of GB/Onegu's alignment.
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i mean it's the best case in the thread, i agree with it, and for some reason it is way hard to get people to vote on GB even though i think 75% of the thread has called him mafia at some point. these are good signs. also he read it and a lot of other things then did nothing. also he was super excited pre-game to play with me and then avoids me. i am a little butthurt about it.
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On October 26 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote:
i think you misread a lot of what i typed or something. but nice to know i have fans.
i wanna lynch gb, hopeless, rayn, and yamato atm.
might as well start somewhere, voted gb.
I read everything you said, "Xata is scum cause there was a dude this one time in another game who was all like, rude and talkative and totes mafia"
my reply was simply that theres no reason to kill someone who has a good chance to get shot and thats all the response I feel I needed to give to your argument.
As for Gb, he town. think it's too early to lynch slam
This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live."
Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense.
This is all I need to prove it, my argument was true then and is truer now. Gb was literally in the sites of Rayn Marv Yamato ect. The heat was completely on him, then it switches to Slam and what does he do? Protects a townie whose acting as a shield for him. He didn't even need to attack slam, all he had to do was not talk / : or go off on someone else. Gb also doesnt strike me as someone with an agenda, hes hot headed and walks into the flame as a result. Def not my first choice for scum.
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On October 26 2015 06:04 ritoky wrote:
i mean it's the best case in the thread, i agree with it, and for some reason it is way hard to get people to vote on GB even though i think 75% of the thread has called him mafia at some point. these are good signs. also he read it and a lot of other things then did nothing. also he was super excited pre-game to play with me and then avoids me. i am a little butthurt about it.
Yeah I really don't get why it's so hard to get votes on GB. The thread consensus is that he's at least a little scummy but then no one wants to vote him once there's a case? idk
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no i said xata isn't high on my town list, he's low on my town list. here's why he could be town, here's why he could be mafia; currently i am undecided leaning town, cuz i am a bitch.
oh god, i love that read. that is my read. how you steal my read? why you do this to me....lynch target B is 2nd in votes, comes to thread sees lynch target A has bunch of votes, says hey let's lynch someone else knowing if successful could end up in own lynch, therefore town. blehhhhhhhhhhhhh but he didn't really push for it did he? making me go back and read gb's filter damn you. quit using my sexy read to make me think!
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gumdrop so town tho cuz he made me have a mindgasm by using the read i use and every1 calls me an idiot for even though it's super good and accurate.
i will consider your sexyness while i make lunch.
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Uh what?
On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam
Your argument is that GB, as mafia, would never defend the lynch target like this because it would turn suspicion back towards him. This post is literally never going to convince anyone not to vote Slam. Like... as mafia he's 100% safe making this post because it will have 0 effect on whether people vote Slam or not.
He says that Slam is town again later closer to lynch, but at that point there were 0 votes on GB and 4 on Slam, so GB isn't even a lynch target at all.
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I'll go for the D1 lynch of choice yesterday: GB.
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Unless I'm misunderstanding what we're saying here...
gumshoe I really think you're town so I need your vote on the GB wagon. Did you check out the meta stuff I provided in my case? I don't see how you can characterize GB as hot-headed this game when he hasn't done much of anything and his defense of Slam was basically nothing at all.
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And by the way if we shenanny we do it onto yamato who is only posting excuses.
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In theory if rayn would stop being so angry he could just vote GB and have a proper wagon as well, it's just not his first, but his second choice. I don't see why he wouldn't just be happy with lynching GB with two other people, probably more.
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On October 26 2015 06:18 Chromatically wrote:Uh what? Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam Your argument is that GB, as mafia, would never defend the lynch target like this because it would turn suspicion back towards him. This post is literally never going to convince anyone not to vote Slam. Like... as mafia he's 100% safe making this post because it will have 0 effect on whether people vote Slam or not. He says that Slam is town again later closer to lynch, but at that point there were 0 votes on GB and 4 on Slam, so GB isn't even a lynch target at all.
You assume Gb is bieng totally level headed / : as a scum player, I personally feel tremendous fear to do things that directly contribute to my death or the death of my teamates. We can deduce that Gb was emotional, which is not impossible to be as scum (especially when your actually in a losing position, as opposed to where Rayn was) off his outburst in thread. When the Slam wagon switched, unless Gb is a tremedous actor immense releif would have rolled over him. To then have right away have the peace of mind to recognize your own powerlessness and do something that directly hurts your cause is something I do not think scum Gb could accomplish on his own, given his mental state, and I doubt he would be coached to do by his team.
That and I read him as a fuck up townie, not a desperate scummer / : but thats more a feel thing that comes from lots of games of bieng a fuck up townie than anything else, so its harder to elaborate on.
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On October 26 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote:
And by the way if we shenanny we do it onto yamato who is only posting excuses.
yeep
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Alright, well I figured I wasn't gonna get shot last night even if Yamato is scum, because it would be a spotlight on him when the focus was already on Rayn, but I should've made this case before then just to make sure.
Yamato has only two pages of filter, we are rapidly reaching what could be the midway point of the game and I think it's not unfair to say that as of yet he has not contributed in any meaningful way. Beyond that, he has committed several grave sins in his short span of posts. My argument against him will center around these sins : P This post will talk about the first sin.
Sin 1: The sin of vague self affirming reads(and a dash of Hypocrisy as a bonus).
Yamato generally has made super vague shallow reads this game, but one could write that off as just his post style, so I'm going to focus on the most suiting event to avoid wasting yalls time : P Early on in the game, Yamato passively gave off a scum read on Slam, if you missed it I dont blame you cause it was super vauge and pretty hard to pin down.
Slam I don't really agree on. (in response to somebody town reading Slam)
we get confirmation on this soon after,
Ritoky, slam, bh, onegu all likely mafia? I disagree on at least one We can assume based off how Yamato hinted at his displeasure with Slam earlier, that Slam was not the one person he would take off this scum list / : from these two quotes, we can reliably piece together what was and is an extremely vague scum read. One that he never actually provides reasons his own reasons for.
He says this as well I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu which means at some point his Slam read was downgraded from not town to fuzzy? Again there's nothing to hint at the thought process behind this fluctuation.
Later on, once the wagon started up on Slam Yamato chimed in
slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable"
I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic.
Issue is, this isnt his read, it's basically Marv's that was made several hours before.
like the post I quoted from Slam up there - I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong, but it doesn't feel at all how town Slam reacts to someone like rayn voting for him?
Yamato puts his own spin on it, but the sentiment of "this isn't how Slam reacts to pressure" is identical. He doesnt ever offer up his own reasons for why Slam is scum, which is strange because as we established he all but scum read Slam at the start.
So naturally, seeing this wierd gap of reasoning I asked him what was going on. This was his reply.
you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed
Not much has changed confirms he did find slam scummy at the start, but has no reasons for it but what Marv provided? Also this is the only time this game that somone has actually refused to answer a question 0_0 doesnt that bother you people?
compare this to my talk with bh at the start.(its long, you can just take my word for it but if you want it's here)
+ Show Spoiler +Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia?
if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town."
not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / :
+ Show Spoiler +"From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it.
"pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten
"when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL.
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)
Yamato may be lazy, but when one townie asks another townie questions, the above is the usual result (ie one townie answers as honestly as possible and the other townie reacts to those answers) Yamato is not so bad that he wouldn't recognize the shitstorm inherent in straight up refusing to answer another player trying to figure out your alignment.
Maybe, just maybe hes so lazy and apathetic that he doesn't care, but you know what? It's more likely that Yamato a) felt that any answers he would give were going to be shit derived from a bull and would just weaken his currently strong position and b) that he could get away with not answering because town had given him a total pass and was focused on Slam (seriously, everybody was town reading yam at this point, it was uncanny.) These fears and considerations do not belong to a town player. They are the machinations of a scum player who gave a bullshit read at the start (which it most certainly was, especially considering Slam was playing better than I have ever seen him play) and then justified it as he went with someones elses case. If the slam train hadnt started up I'm certain Yamato would have never pointed out Slams reaction / : he probs woulda carried on and found someone else to nib at. This I feel is backed up by that post where he secretly down graded his slam lynch (probably in concert with Slam not really offering much to go after)
To qoute Yamato himself . I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. I bilieve this is exactly what was going on with Yamato's slam read(yay hypocrisy!)
THIS HAS BEEN, THE FIRST SIN, OF YAMATO
COMING UP
YAMATO, AN ALL SEEING GOD??!
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Tldr for people with glasses.
Yamato had a slam scum read early on that was super wishy washy.
The only reason he provided for this read came mid day and was someone elses read.
Yamato refused to give his original cause for that early read, but confirmed that he did find slam scummy way back when foooooor reasons?
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