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and anyone who is town and voting for me (who i consider decent at this game) gets a "fuck you, you are terrible" treatment from now on. Although that doesn't even matter because they go to ignore pile aswell.
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On October 24 2015 05:15 gumshoe wrote:
##vote ritoky
you aren't allowed to make this vote gumshoe, regardless of what you think about my/slam's alignment.
seriously...
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On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary.
In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me
On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group.
yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town
On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum.
Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide.
Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta".
I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up.
##vote: Alakaslam
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##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so.
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If only because I dont wanna see rayn die
##unvote
##vote slam
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best two reasons to lynch slam:
1. he said he couldn't be lynched d1
2. piss xata off
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On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up.
low post count = scum.
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+ Show Spoiler +rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much
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On October 24 2015 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
3. he is mafia.
a frankly trifling concern.
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On October 24 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary. In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group. yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide. Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta". I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up. ##vote: Alakaslam
I already said that I can tentatively buy your meta case, though. How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all.
If that's your decision, then I guess it's hard to overturn the lynch at this point... But it's still one of the worse lynches available, so it's kind of sad. The scumteam would have to be something stupid like Slam/gumshoe/GB or Slam/gumshoe/ritoky or Slam/GB/ritoky for it to make real sense. None of those teams are likely at all, and every potential scum candidate voted for Slam quickly when the opportunity came.
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On October 24 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
best two reasons to lynch slam:
1. he said he couldn't be lynched d1
2. piss xata off
lol
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On October 24 2015 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.
case against me debunked.
ez game ez life. I want the town to remember the 40's of this game. So obvious that Rayn and Marv are working together in a dubious fashion and in the 50's, they disappear after I start talking about their lack of logical answering to xata's perfectly good questions. They ar using seniority to push bad reasoning, which is a senior scum tactic. There is no reason to use their seniority this way other than to push mislynches. I no longer give two shits Marv's read on chroma.
OK, but marv is like super clearly town so him working together with rayn just makes me think he has a townread on rayn. Rayn is a smart guy, if he's town I'm sure he's figured out marv is town just as I have, so I don't see any issues here.
On October 24 2015 01:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. I didn't say you don't have fluid reads, which is what you assert here. I said your reads here are not fluid, they are wild. Hence the compass analogy.
getting pedantic is not helping your case broseidon
On October 24 2015 01:52 gumshoe wrote:Slam feels... different, I typically see him as a derpy jokey player, but hes pretty intense this game. Breaking meta for sure, not certain what it means though. Rayn seems pretty amped up, I feel like he started the game angry and just gets angrier as the game goes on, but the rage hasnt been too focused. Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling one person forever and coming up with all manner of bullshit on them, but he really has been all over the place, which would suggest he is actually trying to figure stuff out in his own way. Or hes just flailing, trying to get whatever lynch to go down. As for slam, def some wierd stuff cropping up here and there. in context with mah yamato case, this is a bit sketch, if Slam pushed to get gb lynched based off association with yam, and gb was town, his flip would in no way impact yamato. It's a small thing / : for sure. Mostly I dont want rayn to be scum, because then Bh will be right and well never hear the end of it. But I'm not sure slam is scum either. I dont like this lynch choice at all T_T
rayn being scum would be hilarious but if he's town he'll get shot eventually anyways probably. I'm not pushing the RNG on him today and he's not even close to someone I would want to lynch. He's trying, he's posting, he's arguing. Amazingly, just by putting in a good-faith effort to play the game and making plenty of posts qualifies anyone to come in top 50% of players
On October 24 2015 01:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:52 gumshoe wrote:Slam feels... different, I typically see him as a derpy jokey player, but hes pretty intense this game. Breaking meta for sure, not certain what it means though. Rayn seems pretty amped up, I feel like he started the game angry and just gets angrier as the game goes on, but the rage hasnt been too focused. Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling one person forever and coming up with all manner of bullshit on them, but he really has been all over the place, which would suggest he is actually trying to figure stuff out in his own way. Or hes just flailing, trying to get whatever lynch to go down. As for slam, def some wierd stuff cropping up here and there. GB hard defense of Yamato making me wonder. in context with mah yamato case, this is a bit sketch, if Slam pushed to get gb lynched based off association with yam, and gb was town, his flip would in no way impact yamato. It's a small thing / : for sure. Mostly I dont want rayn to be scum, because then Bh will be right and well never hear the end of it. But I'm not sure slam is scum either. I dont like this lynch choice at all T_T Haha.... Be ready for BH's mention of this game next time around... I wonder where BH went to though.
historically, RNG has worked 1 out of 4 times, I think, so it worked 25% of the time, which is about what you'd expect since 25% of players are scum. I wonder if games iwth RNG in them (regardless of if it works) have a higher town WR though?
On October 24 2015 02:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 01:09 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense. I guess that makes sense... Your argument I mean. I'd happily jump on Slam if I was scum GB. What GB does makes also sense if he is.... DADAAAA scum with Slam. Maybe.... But I really, really doubt Slam is scum.
in detail?
On October 24 2015 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm gonna sheep marv/rayn. Hoping yamato/onegu show up because they said they would eventually.
##vote: Alakaslam You still think this?
actually Hopeless1 sheeping marv/rayn is the kind of thing that makes me think he might actually be town, though it's tough to tell given his effort level hue
On October 24 2015 02:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, actually Onegu's filter isn't really suspicious. Even though it's useless. I think both rayn and Chromatically would give a better chance of hitting scum, mostly rayn. uselss is scummy ) : I dont like using meta vs players who are fairly useless regularly. Meta is a tool best used vs a player who is really active because over time provided they haven't vastly changed their personality, their habits should show through (hard to avoid it with 20 plus page filters). Shit players usually are much less hard pressed to recreate thier bad play cause it's just far less work. My whole scum strat is to recreate my town self's bad habits, and I can tell you for a fact it's far bloody easier to simulate lurkshoe then actshoe. Useless=scummy one way or another. I have literally seen good players go into thier mafia qt and do the following "so I'm gonna lurk till my lynch day, then i'll show up and say I was indisposed, no one will lynch me cause that would look too bad out of maf" AND WE DIDN'T FUCKIN LYNCH HIM. Between slam and Rayn, I wanna lynch neither. Unless my vote is absolutely required I wont be voting for them / : I dont read chrom as particularly bad anymore their but I will go over his filter once more before dead line to be sure.
Then you need to WRITE a CASE and convince people. You haven't convinced _me_. Options and wagons don't just appear, you have to force them to exist using effort dude
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On October 24 2015 05:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary. In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group. yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide. Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta". I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up. ##vote: Alakaslam I already said that I can tentatively buy your meta case, though. How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all. If that's your decision, then I guess it's hard to overturn the lynch at this point... But it's still one of the worse lynches available, so it's kind of sad. The scumteam would have to be something stupid like Slam/gumshoe/GB or Slam/gumshoe/ritoky or Slam/GB/ritoky for it to make real sense. None of those teams are likely at all, and every potential scum candidate voted for Slam quickly when the opportunity came.
yo bro. if you're town you should like come back to earth and think simpler and with more clarity rather than living in the sky with them unflipped associative reads on d1.
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On October 24 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary. In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group. yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
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depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide. Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta". I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up. ##vote: Alakaslam I already said that I can tentatively buy your meta case, though. How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all. If that's your decision, then I guess it's hard to overturn the lynch at this point... But it's still one of the worse lynches available, so it's kind of sad. The scumteam would have to be something stupid like Slam/gumshoe/GB or Slam/gumshoe/ritoky or Slam/GB/ritoky for it to make real sense. None of those teams are likely at all, and every potential scum candidate voted for Slam quickly when the opportunity came. yo bro. if you're town you should like come back to earth and think simpler and with more clarity rather than living in the sky with them unflipped associative reads on d1.
that would require competence
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On October 24 2015 05:21 Xatalos wrote:
How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all.
yeah how should you indeed?
you seem to be not knowing alot of stuff in this game...
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I can understand not wanting to lynch Slam - but "one of the worse lynches available"?
really?
cmon.
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On October 24 2015 05:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up. low post count = scum. + Show Spoiler +rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much
Def don't mean town too. This meta argument against slam is pretty sils. You also match my fantasy mafia team so thats mostly why I wanna see you die ) :
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On October 24 2015 05:25 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:20 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up. low post count = scum. + Show Spoiler +rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much Def don't mean town too. This meta argument against slam is pretty sils. You also match my fantasy mafia team so thats mostly why I wanna see you die ) :
i am glad i live in your fantasies. only 1 other person has told me that before and i married her and knocked her up.
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