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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 23 2015 19:59 GMT
#1261
GB he isnt scum and isnt the good lynch today my friend...
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:00 GMT
#1262
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 23 2015 20:02 GMT
#1263
On October 24 2015 04:59 Onegu wrote:
GB he isnt scum and isnt the good lynch today my friend...



Im talking to GB about rayn here...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:03 GMT
#1264
well gb is scum so he isn't gonna listen to you.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 23 2015 20:03 GMT
#1265
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 20:03 GMT
#1266
On October 24 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.

After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.

I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say.

##Vote: GlowingBear


I must admit, there's a certain temptation here!

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On October 24 2015 00:21 Xatalos wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.

i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts.

you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way.

like I can answer your question about rayn's play.

rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town
rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today
rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you.


Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is.

And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left.


I doubt it's actually PoE, but a mixture of PoE and read

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On October 24 2015 00:26 yamato77 wrote:
I'll be around later today. I have a meeting at lunch and then I'll be free. Will become more active afterward, assuming I can stand this shitty keyboard I am forced to use because my nice mechanical stopped working D:


is to too shitty to play counterstrike???


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On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post

marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more


this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me.

also this

I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts.


This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him.

hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them.

the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion.

why doesn't it?

essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process.


Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually
perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :


"Too correct" about GB's meta or shitposting isn't actually a reason to mafiaread someone. Like... you're literally saying, and I quote

"Yamato is just right and succinct"... so he is mafia. You're calling hm mafia for having good reads. How do you get to this place, mentally? How does that happen, where someone comes in (and I'm not saying I think Yam's reads are good here-- but you clearly think so) and says "wow, this guy makes a lot of sense!.... CLEARLY HE IS SCUM HUE HUEH UEUEHUEHUEHUE" like how does that happen, what happened to you?





In a perfect game, mafia would never fuck up, and use their superior knowledge to secure a lynch. They would find situations in which they are 'right' result in a mislynch and that pose the least blow back twoards them.

A scenario in which vivax and gb are at each others throats and gb is flat out wrong is an example of such a scenario. I came away from gb seeing him as a derpy townie but could see the potential to set him up as a bullshitting mafia player. The way yamato did exactly that gave me chills. Is that really so fucking outlandish? That a player whose good at this game could use mafia omniscience to set up a derpy townie? As I said as well, I didnt like how yam sort of directed marv onto gb, gave me a slimy feeling. I'm also stunned that Yamato has marv level cred from everyone for literally a 10th of the effort. They guy wont even answer my questions on his random unexplained reads.

But of course Yamato is town right? Tl mafia circle jerk meta says so, guess it must be true!
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:04 GMT
#1267
Hm. I was starting to think that Slam actually COULDN'T even be scum based on all the votes being piled on Slam... But then I remembered the people still having not voted at all. I guess if you assume that the scumteam is something like Slam/ritoky/gumshoe, then it's not impossible. But that's quite the improbable scumteam and most likely the scumteam is just hopping on lynching town Slam to save scum rayn at this point in time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:04 GMT
#1268
On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time

how about you drop the shit on gumshoe & chrom because they are not gonna get lynched today.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#1269
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#1270
On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time


Whatever happened with rayn? You were still talking about the RNG on him a while ago and him being otherwise scummy, but now he's not an option anymore?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:06 GMT
#1271
On October 24 2015 05:05 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time


Whatever happened with rayn? You were still talking about the RNG on him a while ago and him being otherwise scummy, but now he's not an option anymore?

Blazinghand has never said i am scummy outside the rng.
Cut the crap scum.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 20:07 GMT
#1272
On October 24 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are.


Funny how your circling back around to me as a suspect the moment I turn against you. Cute, also as the master of afk, I can tell you there are dif kinds, and the one where you disappear because thread sentiment isnt against you and then return to ask "sup guys who we lynching?" at deadline is pretty shitty.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:09 GMT
#1273
Hm... that may actually be the case. He called you scum so many times, but he didn't actually offer any real arguments besides the RNG....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:10 GMT
#1274
On October 24 2015 05:07 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are.


Funny how your circling back around to me as a suspect the moment I turn against you. Cute, also as the master of afk, I can tell you there are dif kinds, and the one where you disappear because thread sentiment isnt against you and then return to ask "sup guys who we lynching?" at deadline is pretty shitty.


you should try wearing a skirt, it would make your legs look more enticing.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 23 2015 20:10 GMT
#1275
On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:

1) Tell marv he cant do it.


HAH.

On October 24 2015 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
i mean it's quite clear from the post i quoted that i took umbrage to how he originally attacked rayn and how i viewed his followup

am i supposed to find you scummy because you are also suspicious of the same person?

what is this rubbish?

The general idea behind these posts is becoming less true every day (though it once was perfectly reasonable).

Marv, you know how to do the same thing and actively do so.

When was our last game together? My last game with Xata?

But my saying this is purely nai.


This is a non-defense, Slam, and we both know it.

On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this:
Show nested quote +
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn.

This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do.

I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him.

Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.

Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks.

There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that:
1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do
2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play.

The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).
''

Honestly you're putting in a lot of effort so despite RNG i'm not actually lynching you today. I really WANT you to be scum but there are much bigger fishes to fry and you seem to actually be trying to figure out the game a bit? I won't be voting you or pushing the RNG thing, all joking aside. I doubt the wagon will get serious momentum without my support and I am the shenannigan king so you are safe

On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads


clearly you forgot my glorious scumread on rayn

also, you don't want to pick this fight trust me

On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn.

This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do.

I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him.

Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.

Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks.

There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that:
1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do
2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play.

The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).


Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality.


rayn's scumread on you had to do with your read progression on me and him. It is worth noting, though, rayn, that xat really hasn't played with me as scum, he hasn't seen my stuff first-hand. you see Xat people who have played with me before don't trust me on meta things. Any time you can say "due to meta, BH is town, he never does X as scum" if it's something that's easy to do as scum, that statement has no meaning. you've never seen my scum play, so you couldn't know, but that's how it be. a hypothetical scumread read on ritoky though is more reasonable since ritoky did play cell mini with me though
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:11 GMT
#1276
heh.. this is going to be funny.
BH's vote will resolve this since gumshoe is already playing into "i am not gonna vote for slam" and ritoky will 100% vote for me while not even reading my posts.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 23 2015 20:12 GMT
#1277
On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things.


I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum.

and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way.

thats is the format in which my mind is made up.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:12 GMT
#1278
well i am not scum BH so there is that. That makes your rng being right 0% of the time, 100% of the time.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:13 GMT
#1279
Well, BH, will you believe in the RNG
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 20:14 GMT
#1280
anyways it doesn't really even matter because then you can just lynch:
Alakslam
GlowingBear
Xatalos


ez game ez lyfe
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