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oh hey he is coming back into the thread where i am at, less worried now.
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On October 24 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
yes but you scumside so that should make you tihnk he is mafia
ritoky: i know, but lots of fun things are bad for your health
Hm?
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On October 24 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
yes but you scumside so that should make you tihnk he is mafia
ritoky: i know, but lots of fun things are bad for your health
as a nurse, some obligation inside of me; y'know?
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On October 24 2015 04:40 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
yes but you scumside so that should make you tihnk he is mafia
ritoky: i know, but lots of fun things are bad for your health as a nurse, some obligation inside of me; y'know?
I appreciate your concern bbz
if it's any consolation i work out like a pro so my body is otherwise in excellent health
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On October 24 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
if xata wasn't so terrible the wagons could be chrome-slam instead of rayn-slam and then our chances of hitting mafia would increase exponentially
rayn/Chromatically would be good. I just think Slam is a 50/50 in the best case, and in truth he's quite a bit more likely town after he's mirrored my thoughts all game.
If you think Slam's posts are scummy, then mine should be as well.
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so people wanna lynch slam cuz he scum read rayn and marv says so? is that really it? was waiting for more to this but it doesn't ever really come along. maybe it is in rayn's posts, i skipped those.
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On October 24 2015 04:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
if xata wasn't so terrible the wagons could be chrome-slam instead of rayn-slam and then our chances of hitting mafia would increase exponentially rayn/Chromatically would be good. I just think Slam is a 50/50 in the best case, and in truth he's quite a bit more likely town after he's mirrored my thoughts all game. If you think Slam's posts are scummy, then mine should be as well.
just totally moronic.
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On October 24 2015 04:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:42 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
if xata wasn't so terrible the wagons could be chrome-slam instead of rayn-slam and then our chances of hitting mafia would increase exponentially rayn/Chromatically would be good. I just think Slam is a 50/50 in the best case, and in truth he's quite a bit more likely town after he's mirrored my thoughts all game. If you think Slam's posts are scummy, then mine should be as well. just totally moronic.
What's the difference? He's mostly used the same arguments and even the same posting style for accusing rayn.
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On October 24 2015 04:44 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 24 2015 04:32 marvellosity wrote:
BH - re: Slam
there was the post I quoted of his earlier, the post where he originally has a go at rayn about his vote on him. The post where he says he'll never get lynched before lylo and rayn is suspicious for going after LHF.
Well the thing is, Slam as town has always somewhat reconciled himself to being lynched. In fact, he's often asked to be lynched so he doesn't burden his team later on.
This meta may well have changed, he's become more self-confident or whatever. But I think the switch to "you are voting me therefore you are suspicious, and i am unlynchable" is too much.
After this post he kinda periodically quotes rayn and calls his posts suspicious, based on not very much.
Then when I also become suspicious of Slam, he doesn't really think why I might be suspicious of him, he just lumps me as mafia along with rayn. It's the true definition of omgus because he doesn't actually have any other reason to be suspicious of me other than the fact I am voting for him.
He makes posts like "the way marv and rayn are arrogant this game is telling" without explaining how it's telling.
I'm seeing no passion, no fire, no sparks of... anything in his play.
Is it a slam dunk case? No, it isn't. But i have reasons to townread a lot of other people so my pool is kinda smallish. Can't see why he should be town.
like at most out of this post, the highlighted applies to you
seriously.
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On October 24 2015 04:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there.
This seems spot on Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh.
I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today.
Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. etween Xat, Chrom, ritoky, Onegu, and hopeless1 I see no serious statements differentiating them, other than that you want to lynch onegu and Hopeless1 from the other three without any explanation? What's the deal broseph??? You must have REASONS for this. You say "unless someone can magically explain..." but your'e the one with magical explanations here. Or magical lack of explanations. Man up and post some. Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be. No input on the slam case!!?? Pul it together brometheius Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.
After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.
I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. Yeah, see my meta read on MArv. From the XV scum QT (this game is over so the QT is ok to link) http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/zRTyp8RMU5dNs: "i was never going to try this game very much if i rolled mafia anyway  " "it kinda takes me time to recharge my scum batteries, and i've only played 48h of town since i tried pretty hard as mafia last. batteries low. i will play though. just poorly." "*giggles* we're gonna lose so hilariously hard, it'll be great." Then, night 1: "##concede nothing left for me here" and he had a crappy like 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity&view=allthe difference is palpable. In any case, I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll leave it aloen but anyone voting marv is not paying attention to the obvious evidence here.
xat was a scum read of mine early on, but his sheer level of activity detterd me from pursuing so didnt waste mah time there. Onegu and hopeless had >2 page filters and most of thier commentary was fairly banal jokey and worthless. Felt this went without saying. Chrom and ritoky were entangled together, I found ritoky townie from his initital pounce on to me (though my opinion has changed since) chrom also just came off over time as really active and sincere so I revoked mah earlier scum read on him. I generally tend to not go too much into mah town reads cause they dont interest me, and there wasnt much to say on onegu and hopeless, the mix made for a shallow one.
As for Slam, gonna be honest, me finding him townie is more an asociation thing. Basically people I dont like are calling him out for very little reason. That and his death match with Rayn feels dumb and townie.
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The other things are just slight meta tells / gut feelings that are hard to judge for me... And the part about starting to suspect you at that time equally applies to me.
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gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are.
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On October 24 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.
After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.
I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. ##Vote: GlowingBear
I must admit, there's a certain temptation here!
On October 24 2015 00:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.
Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter. i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts. you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way. like I can answer your question about rayn's play. rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you. Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is. And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left.
I doubt it's actually PoE, but a mixture of PoE and read
On October 24 2015 00:26 yamato77 wrote:
I'll be around later today. I have a meeting at lunch and then I'll be free. Will become more active afterward, assuming I can stand this shitty keyboard I am forced to use because my nice mechanical stopped working D:
is to too shitty to play counterstrike???
On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :
"Too correct" about GB's meta or shitposting isn't actually a reason to mafiaread someone. Like... you're literally saying, and I quote
"Yamato is just right and succinct"... so he is mafia. You're calling hm mafia for having good reads. How do you get to this place, mentally? How does that happen, where someone comes in (and I'm not saying I think Yam's reads are good here-- but you clearly think so) and says "wow, this guy makes a lot of sense!.... CLEARLY HE IS SCUM HUE HUEH UEUEHUEHUEHUE" like how does that happen, what happened to you?
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Not Voting (3): Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky
Don't forget to vote, only 1h left. And I kind of think this group is town atm.
Why did you even unvote in the first place, BH?
If you all vote for rayn, we can do this 
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Btw I think there's almost definitely one scum between Slam/rayn. Just looking at how the votes are so gathered on the two people without the usual random outliers where scum like to hide. Except Onegu's vote I guess.
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And I mean exactly one scum (rayn), not 1+ or at most 1.
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On October 24 2015 00:37 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :Also, his redirecting you onto Jb is scummy to me because hes not actually investigating you, the tone of his posts suggests he knows your town and were doing the "right" thing and just stopped for some reason. Problem is, I think he doesnt seem to really care what that reason is, only that you stopped going onto Gb.The only point in him calling you out was to regain momentum onto jb. Which feels like an agenda as opposed to honest scum hunting. Basically, between the guy who feels too right and is trying to redirect the most townie player, and the dude whose stumbling drunkley, my own bias compels me to suspect the former / : he's right and succinct AND has insight into my thought process. which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us. But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green. but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game.
Same objection here. You can't say that someone being effectively, helpful, and right makes them scum or bad things will happen
I would kill GB for the martyr, not cause I expect him to flip scum necessarily but because martyring is a scumtell imo, always fake, never real, always lynch to discourage it cause it's awful. IT's like people using IRL excuses
On October 24 2015 00:42 gumshoe wrote:
Basically the people I would want to see lynched
Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me)
yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax)
probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4.
This is a bit better laid out but I'll wait and seeif I can see your response to my previous post
On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread. I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax.
these townreads on H1 and 1Gu are interesting and I will look into it to see if that's accurate. I don't remember much from either of them. Thanks for the heads-up
On October 24 2015 00:55 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:47 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:45 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :Also, his redirecting you onto Jb is scummy to me because hes not actually investigating you, the tone of his posts suggests he knows your town and were doing the "right" thing and just stopped for some reason. Problem is, I think he doesnt seem to really care what that reason is, only that you stopped going onto Gb.The only point in him calling you out was to regain momentum onto jb. Which feels like an agenda as opposed to honest scum hunting. Basically, between the guy who feels too right and is trying to redirect the most townie player, and the dude whose stumbling drunkley, my own bias compels me to suspect the former / : he's right and succinct AND has insight into my thought process. which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us. But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green. but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game. i've no interest in talking about hopeless. it's doubtful he's getting lynched. is he lock clear? no. but unless you're planning on getting 5-6 votes on him today i don't really want to bother when there are more important things. yamato is not an effective scumplayer. fine, shortening the list to onegu and gb, but make no mistake, my little vivax WILL rise once again, with a vengeance. I'm sorry, what? You've kept saying you were town reading me, then thinks I'm mafia for martyring, then you want to lynch me but still thinks Vivax is mafia??? Am I voting for you right now? No I am not. But between Onegu and you, we get more info out of your death so I wouldnt be too sad to see yah go (yamato basically never gets lynched unless you flip green and even then its unlikely). but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P but I am not the best mafia player here and I am quite often wrong and overthink things. So maybe you are scum and I'm too thick to see it. Someone once said mafia is more about choosing the right person to sheep rather than only listening to your own reads, so that is unfortunately a consideration I intend to make this game / :
^-- really? this is a classic scum post. info out of his death? acting nonchalant with a push? What are you even doing gumshoe, at this point you might as well be gumdrop. Don't want to overthink things? Just say what you mean and mean what you say. Take stances. Be a man. Do the right thing! We don't lynch for information, we lynch to lynch scum. That's how this game works. Lynch whoever has the best chance of being scum.
On October 24 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread. I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax. You fail to realise that I asked your opinion exactly because my townread were saying my scum read is town. But then, when you come to the thread, you scum read me. What am I supposed to do, listen to you and vote me???? Like, seriously, you and Marv could simply answer my question. But instead you decided I'm scum. I AM considering what other people say. Unfortunately, they are saying I'm scum, and that's wrong. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do.
What you don't do is martyr. You don't say "fine, lynch me." You say "let me tell you about this guy I Think is scum." and you start talking, writing cases, reading, etc.
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