On October 24 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote: your posting a defence of a case as similar to you just giving out random townreads here? where your motivation was literally to stop that wagon forming and lynch your own choice?
srsly?
okay.
nothing further your honour
Oh okay I see, both of those don't count as townreads.
On October 24 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote: your posting a defence of a case as similar to you just giving out random townreads here? where your motivation was literally to stop that wagon forming and lynch your own choice?
srsly?
okay.
nothing further your honour
Oh okay I see, both of those don't count as townreads.
sorry, if you can't see the difference between giving out townreads without being asked based on iffyish reasoning and defending a case to push your own or directly responding to questions, i don't know what to tell you.
On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote: I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote: Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?
I have started to read rayn completely on how he reacts with me. If he is more buddy to me its likely he is scum. If he is bitching about my play he is town. Oh he enjoys playing with me but wants to win more as town so he wants me to do more.
On October 24 2015 04:06 marvellosity wrote: yamato is a good townplayer when he actually plays, which is all too rare.
me/rayn/yamato
pretty good
It feels extremely questionable to sheep you three when yamato is hardly playing at all, rayn is 100% scumreading me for BS reasons and you're defending rayn for almost as bad of reasons.
this is why you are not a competent townplayer
Because I don't take BS arguments and sheepvotes seriously?
On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then?
On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote: Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless.
Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything.
If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it.
I mean... Posting a lot (including filler) is my town meta. As scum, I select more carefully what I post. Waffling is something I will do as scum, but also as town, so it's not really.... a point. I think my read on BH is decent, do you disagree with it? Even rayn finally admitted it wasn't meritless (at least "from my perspective" lol). Not sure why scumhunting is scummy again. It's not like I showed suspicion towards rayn baselessly.
I made the point as just a general point not really looking at meta, but when I do look at meta I don't see a lot of filler as either alignment. Waffling I thought I saw more of as mafia than as town, as town I thought I saw a lot more confident reads on people (posting "X is probably town" etc). I didn't think that was strong enough to post though and the post was long enough already. I do disagree on BH, I think the RNG thing at the beginning was entirely not alignment indicative and there was no reason to townread him for it but that's been talked about a lot already and you could be town that just sees it differently (in a way I think is wrong), so I guess that point is fine. The rayn thing the way you said things about him was misrepresenting what he was doing to make it look worse, and I thought that it was weird to jump on him for what you did.
If not you (which is looking very unlikely), then probably GB? I'm looking at GB/Slam/BH and I'm kind of out of time right now but I can finalize that later. Onegu I got a town feeling when reading through for some reason, ritoky I kind of liked his BH thing, and Hopeless I'm willing to trust the rayn/yamato read for now.
During this non-insubantial post you say:
Meta is null
BH is null
the rayn thing is NAI
GB/Slam/BH is scum, but I'm not going to explain it. Also, ritoky's explanation of BH being town was good.
On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote: literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.
other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.
I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't?
Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia.
But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read?
I don't see how Chromatically has contributed anything meaningful. Where has he done this? Why are you defending him over Onegu and Hopeless1?
On October 23 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch Slam. ##unvote ##vote Alakaslam I wanna tunnel Xatalos so hard after D1. So hard. I am literally seeing red and i really really wanna do this. And i can't unless i lynch mafia.
I'm not a slam afficionado. Explain?
On October 23 2015 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion.
Given that I have a hard-on for lynching chrom, I'd appreciate evidence for this. if I don't see it, I'll do the research myself but that's a lot of effort. Do you have an example on hand?
I switched to Slam, I'm not that confident as you folks about it (in fact I have no own reason at all to do that) but I'll just be going with your flow for today.
Onegu... Are you really sure about your rayn read? Because you said that town rayn "wants you to do more". But here his reactions to you have been basically like "I don't want to talk with you", "shut up and sheep". Is that him wanting you to do more? Well, it's not exactly buddying either, but...
On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then?
On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote: Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless.
Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything.
If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it.
I mean... Posting a lot (including filler) is my town meta. As scum, I select more carefully what I post. Waffling is something I will do as scum, but also as town, so it's not really.... a point. I think my read on BH is decent, do you disagree with it? Even rayn finally admitted it wasn't meritless (at least "from my perspective" lol). Not sure why scumhunting is scummy again. It's not like I showed suspicion towards rayn baselessly.
I made the point as just a general point not really looking at meta, but when I do look at meta I don't see a lot of filler as either alignment. Waffling I thought I saw more of as mafia than as town, as town I thought I saw a lot more confident reads on people (posting "X is probably town" etc). I didn't think that was strong enough to post though and the post was long enough already. I do disagree on BH, I think the RNG thing at the beginning was entirely not alignment indicative and there was no reason to townread him for it but that's been talked about a lot already and you could be town that just sees it differently (in a way I think is wrong), so I guess that point is fine. The rayn thing the way you said things about him was misrepresenting what he was doing to make it look worse, and I thought that it was weird to jump on him for what you did.
If not you (which is looking very unlikely), then probably GB? I'm looking at GB/Slam/BH and I'm kind of out of time right now but I can finalize that later. Onegu I got a town feeling when reading through for some reason, ritoky I kind of liked his BH thing, and Hopeless I'm willing to trust the rayn/yamato read for now.
During this non-insubantial post you say:
Meta is null
BH is null
the rayn thing is NAI
GB/Slam/BH is scum, but I'm not going to explain it. Also, ritoky's explanation of BH being town was good.
On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote: literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.
other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.
I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't?
Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia.
But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read?
I don't see how Chromatically has contributed anything meaningful. Where has he done this? Why are you defending him over Onegu and Hopeless1?
On October 23 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch Slam. ##unvote ##vote Alakaslam I wanna tunnel Xatalos so hard after D1. So hard. I am literally seeing red and i really really wanna do this. And i can't unless i lynch mafia.
On October 23 2015 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion.
Given that I have a hard-on for lynching chrom, I'd appreciate evidence for this. if I don't see it, I'll do the research myself but that's a lot of effort. Do you have an example on hand?
I've already said it, I think his posts are mostly directed to catch scum. I've quoted a post that felt townie to me at some pointz
It's a shame that Slam disappeared at this timing... There's not really much time left... But it's not really too late yet. Only a couple of switches would do it to kill rayn.
On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote: the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now
and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".
eh, I guess I see what you're getting at here but compared to the significantly worse issues on hand (low contribution players) is GB the ideal lynch today? If this is really the case, the truth will out in the next day anyways
On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote: i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up
What's the case on Slam? Any detail on this would be good, I generally have difficulty wrapping my head around Slam.
On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote: i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up
Read the last scumgame in database, mainly Koshi's case on him D1. Also what Koshi says there holds up on GoT game aswell.
Thanks for this info, but next time, a link would be so much nicer!
On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.
Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.
Marv is NOT SCUM. MARV IS NOT SCUm
MARV IS NOT SCUM
Look, last game (student XV) Marv was scum and he was so disappointed to roll sucm again he like, conceded during NIGHT 1.
MARV IS PLAYING THE GAME, THEREFORE HE IS NOT SCUM.
IF Marv was scum, he would basicallyc ontinue to be a super whiny baby and not play. Marv was SUCH A WHINY BABY. UGH. He basically ruined a whole newbie game (a newbie game!) because of what a whiny baby he was about rolling scum. Do you really think he somehow shaped up and stopped being a whiny baby? No, Marv is gonna be a whiny baby until he plays a game or two as town or takes a break. This is true.
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