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On October 23 2015 02:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 22:08 Chromatically wrote:On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote: and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? What do you mean with this post? I mean your slam dunk doesn't dunk me or prove anything about ritoky's alignment I don't see how it would dunk you in any way..? Are you talking about the post with the picture where I said "slam dunk" or the long post I made?
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Ebwop I am joking about my nickname being slam.
But the case on ritoky there wasn't really much of anything.
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Blazinghand
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Yam could just be having a slow start. It's still early int he US today, so maybe he'll pick up. All this talk about lynching yam is a distraction from the real scum, rayn
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shame rayn is probably town then, huh
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 02:38 marvellosity wrote: shame rayn is probably town then, huh
pfah, details! you're not looking at the big picture, marv
I should probably read his filter at some point though. I am serious though about giving yamato some more time
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On October 23 2015 02:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 02:38 marvellosity wrote: shame rayn is probably town then, huh pfah, details! you're not looking at the big picture, marv I should probably read his filter at some point though. I am serious though about giving yamato some more time the only picture i look at is the one where I'm ploughing mafia forcefully from behind
pretty hard to shake my townfeels on rayn when he comes into the thread saying he has 2 townreads and no mafiareads when at that point i had 2 townreads and no mafiareads and the 2 townreads were the same as mine.
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On October 23 2015 02:41 marvellosity wrote: pretty hard to shake my townfeels on rayn when he comes into the thread saying he has 2 townreads and no mafiareads when at that point i had 2 townreads and no mafiareads and the 2 townreads were the same as mine. I like this post a lot, I get a strong town feeling from this.
My theory right now is that mafia have been inactive in the thread so far. It's probably wrong but I have townreads/feelings on the people that have been posting thoughts a lot.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 02:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 02:40 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 02:38 marvellosity wrote: shame rayn is probably town then, huh pfah, details! you're not looking at the big picture, marv I should probably read his filter at some point though. I am serious though about giving yamato some more time the only picture i look at is the one where I'm ploughing mafia forcefully from behind pretty hard to shake my townfeels on rayn when he comes into the thread saying he has 2 townreads and no mafiareads when at that point i had 2 townreads and no mafiareads and the 2 townreads were the same as mine.
hmm, pretty thoughtful. I guess I'll need to post a super convincing scumread and case on rayn in order to convince you. is it possible that RNG has actually failed me and selected a town player for the first time ever?
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I am here and reading up. That was a long nap...
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So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll...
I mean I "tried and played" in that newbie with marv, but then he went and rolled scum and my effort was just wasted because I was trying because I promised him.
But he already put more effort this game than in the entirety of that game so he is likely town here so maybe I should just not count that newbie game and actually try this game too.
But LAZY...
Hrmm choices.
Ok one game of dota then Ill decide.
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People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote: People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was:
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote: Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed.
On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote: your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed.
You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this.
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Nothing else in particular to note, Yamato asked for more time and by the very nature of the game he will certainly get it, otherwise hes somewhat passionate but useless. He is a good player as I understand it so I'm leaning towards not lynching him day 1, as it's probable his scumming will become more apparent as the gam goes on if hes evils (though all the peeps backing him up for no real reason is kinda scary?)
I'm not good at reading Rayn, but usually when he does the begruding "ok gumshoe is town" thing hes green / : so take that for what it's worth.
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On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote: People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote: Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote: your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this.
I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun.
Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both?
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote: People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote: Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote: your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both?
Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read?
At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him
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gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha
rayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables.
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On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote: People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote: Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote: your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him
oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-.
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Btw I get the feeling that I'm vastly better at playing "in real time" than analysing past posts, so feel free to ask / do stuff while I'm here.
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I am interested in what are there "thoughts and own ideas" are from Blazinghand?
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Mainly the RNG things. Again, it's not a topic that's extremely hard to talk about as scum, but he seems very convinced that it's a pro-town thing, so it wouldn't be so easy to argue about it so heatedly as scum (especially when his past games indicate that he indeed favors RNG as town and not as scum).
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