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Rather the way he talked about it than the content itself, I mean.
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How i have to decide if you just said that terrible thing as town or mafia...
I am a bit puzzled how could you actually believe Blazinghand would not do that as mafia.
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On October 23 2015 04:57 Xatalos wrote:gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone  Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha rayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables.
Oh for sure, I literally am a waffle Xatalos. I refuse to just red list someone off mah gut. My thought process has arguments for and against. It is double sided by necessity but I do come down on everyone I look at in one light or another.
My issue with your waffling is it struck me as you using my shit meta to avoid saying anything of substance about me.
Tldr my waffles is pretty and delicious, yours is cheap and fake. Bet you dont even like real syrup on your food / :
oh as for definitive reads.
kill============
Hopeless: kill with fire
Onegu: Kill with acidic detergent
Xatalos: kill with copious amounts of fake syrup soaked pankakes
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Prep
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Yamato: needs to marinate
Rayn: probally be inedible
Chrom: possibly possed by malevolent entity
Bh: Likely to be used as a point against a shitty cook on a british cooking show that takes place in hell.
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good
TOP SECRET.
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I kind of liked Chromatically's posts after he came back. Mostly the fact that he seemed to be... thinking of reasons for people to be scummy/not, then landing on reads, rather than naming reads and then backing them up... Somehow the flow of his posts felt decent in the recent pages.
I just wonder a bit what happened after the "reading on Xatalos's meta" bit? Did I miss something?
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On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So Troll it is. Thank you for making my choice for me. <3.
Mabs is such a bad shortcut for a word. like it is one letter short of maybe, and it just sounds dumb dont you think.
Also dont worry people, I will still figure this game out in lylo, I am the best lylo player ever as you all should know by now.
Also BH pointed this out to me and I agree with him 100%. Writing Town!Onegu or Scum!Onegu is so stupid and should just be banned on this fourm. Serious like its not easy to read as just writing the space. And it is harder to write as you have to hit a shift button. Man this is so stupid.
Oh I bought me a bottle of Sojuu while I was in Korea. I might open it up tonight. Anyone going to be in TS3 later to do stuff?
So since BH is doing his RNG lynch this game I think I will do my RNG sheep this game. It sounds like a good idea this game.
But Im not going to use some modlelos or whatever mexican beer BH is talking about. Im going to use random.org so much easier. Let you know the result in a sec.
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okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.
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My RNG sheep is...
GlowingBear.
GlowingBear my vote is yours!!!
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On October 23 2015 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How i have to decide if you just said that terrible thing as town or mafia...
I am a bit puzzled how could you actually believe Blazinghand would not do that as mafia.
Not that he couldn't do it, but more likely not, based on him favoring it before as town (as a very pro-town thing) and still getting so excited about it now. 1) It would be harder to fake the excitement as scum when he has proven many times that he thinks it's genuinely pro-town 2) he just simply doesn't seem to do it as scum... at least so far.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 04:58 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:
your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him  oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-.
Chromatically opens up just with questions. "Why do you think X", "What do you think of Y", etc. After making these, he comes out against ritoky with this argument:
On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell.
He laters adds Hopeless1der for awkwardness and when he calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25000070
he does it with some pretty reasonable-sounding arguments, but these arguments are actually flawed. He says scum won't sheep and will actually try to stick out, which in general is NOT how scum act. Yes, scum don't want to appear OBVIOUSLY Sheeping, but scum will generally try to appear "middle of the herd" rather than following the herd. Chromatically being wrong about this though doesn't make him scum, it just makes him wrong. His seeming misunderstadning of ritoky's (admittedly poorly laid out / formatted) argument about my usage of RNG is actually more suspicous. IF he actually clicked the links, he'd see me RNGing in each of those games. In fact, for trying to figure out when I RNG, ritoky is almost certainly town. If he's scum, he could just be like "BH using rng is stupid, we should lynch him for being stupid", or, if rayn was somehow town, he could say "RNG is great let's lynch rayn"
This isn't what riotky did. He saw me using RNG, then said to himself, "hmm, I'm going to do research. How does Blazinghand's decision to do RNG tell me about his alignment? Let's see when he's used this in the past"-- to react to this by trying to use it as a tool to determine my alignment, this almost certainly makes ritoky town.
Chromatically doesn't see this, which means he's not trying to get in ritoky's head, or maybe isn't capable of doing so? In any case, Chromatically mostly comes off as good-natured but wrong rather than baltantly scummy. If he's scum, he won't come out and spew incorrect theories about how to make scumreads, not when it would draw attention to him. Chromatically is not on my lynch list today
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On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.
;(
Also rayn why do I get the feeling you going after BH is just because his RNG landed on you. Not sure if that makes you town or scum at this point but dont worry I will figure you out in the next 12 hours.
Something going in your favor for you being town is you arent ignoring me. But you want to lynch me so that may make you scum...
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How i have to decide if you just said that terrible thing as town or mafia...
I am a bit puzzled how could you actually believe Blazinghand would not do that as mafia.
rayn knows as well as anyone that I hold nothing back as mafia. yes, RNG is literally pro-town, and so it's worse for me to use it as mafia, since it would hurt my team, but... I know people think this. I know this to be true. So as scum, I could use it and be like "hey guys, I'm using a pro-town strat, I must be town". RNG in and of itself is not hard evidence I'm town. Instead, pay attention to what I do with it.
On October 23 2015 05:08 Xatalos wrote:
I kind of liked Chromatically's posts after he came back. Mostly the fact that he seemed to be... thinking of reasons for people to be scummy/not, then landing on reads, rather than naming reads and then backing them up... Somehow the flow of his posts felt decent in the recent pages.
I just wonder a bit what happened after the "reading on Xatalos's meta" bit? Did I miss something?
eh, his reasoning on yamato seems very week and echoey. I liked it better when he was being wrong about ritoky. He was bringing his A-game, such as it is, for that.
On October 23 2015 05:11 Onegu wrote:
My RNG sheep is...
GlowingBear.
GlowingBear my vote is yours!!!
this is not how you do RNg, this isn't even close to how you do RNG. You are a disgrace to RNG, you have forgotten the face of your father.
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Slam where did you go, I miss you so. Feels like its been forever.
Slam we were scummates and our game got canceled. Will you still be my friend this game?
HIJOLE!!!
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On October 23 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
Also rayn why do I get the feeling you going after BH is just because his RNG landed on you. Not sure if that makes you town or scum at this point but dont worry I will figure you out in the next 12 hours.
I want to lynch you because you refuse to play the game. If you continue to do that i want to lynch you even more. I came here to play mafia, not to play some stupid rng kids game.
At least Blazinghand seems to be starting to play,...
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On October 23 2015 05:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 04:58 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:
your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-. Chromatically opens up just with questions. "Why do you think X", "What do you think of Y", etc. After making these, he comes out against ritoky with this argument: Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell. He laters adds Hopeless1der for awkwardness and when he calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25000070he does it with some pretty reasonable-sounding arguments, but these arguments are actually flawed. He says scum won't sheep and will actually try to stick out, which in general is NOT how scum act. Yes, scum don't want to appear OBVIOUSLY Sheeping, but scum will generally try to appear "middle of the herd" rather than following the herd. Chromatically being wrong about this though doesn't make him scum, it just makes him wrong. His seeming misunderstadning of ritoky's (admittedly poorly laid out / formatted) argument about my usage of RNG is actually more suspicous. IF he actually clicked the links, he'd see me RNGing in each of those games. In fact, for trying to figure out when I RNG, ritoky is almost certainly town. If he's scum, he could just be like "BH using rng is stupid, we should lynch him for being stupid", or, if rayn was somehow town, he could say "RNG is great let's lynch rayn" This isn't what riotky did. He saw me using RNG, then said to himself, "hmm, I'm going to do research. How does Blazinghand's decision to do RNG tell me about his alignment? Let's see when he's used this in the past"-- to react to this by trying to use it as a tool to determine my alignment, this almost certainly makes ritoky town. Chromatically doesn't see this, which means he's not trying to get in ritoky's head, or maybe isn't capable of doing so? In any case, Chromatically mostly comes off as good-natured but wrong rather than baltantly scummy. If he's scum, he won't come out and spew incorrect theories about how to make scumreads, not when it would draw attention to him. Chromatically is not on my lynch list today
Yeah, I like that ritoky part. It's certainly a townie reaction to dig your game history for RNG-related things to think about your alignment.
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On October 23 2015 05:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How i have to decide if you just said that terrible thing as town or mafia...
I am a bit puzzled how could you actually believe Blazinghand would not do that as mafia. rayn knows as well as anyone that I hold nothing back as mafia. yes, RNG is literally pro-town, and so it's worse for me to use it as mafia, since it would hurt my team, but... I know people think this. I know this to be true. So as scum, I could use it and be like "hey guys, I'm using a pro-town strat, I must be town". RNG in and of itself is not hard evidence I'm town. Instead, pay attention to what I do with it. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:08 Xatalos wrote:
I kind of liked Chromatically's posts after he came back. Mostly the fact that he seemed to be... thinking of reasons for people to be scummy/not, then landing on reads, rather than naming reads and then backing them up... Somehow the flow of his posts felt decent in the recent pages.
I just wonder a bit what happened after the "reading on Xatalos's meta" bit? Did I miss something? eh, his reasoning on yamato seems very week and echoey. I liked it better when he was being wrong about ritoky. He was bringing his A-game, such as it is, for that. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:11 Onegu wrote:
My RNG sheep is...
GlowingBear.
GlowingBear my vote is yours!!! this is not how you do RNg, this isn't even close to how you do RNG. You are a disgrace to RNG, you have forgotten the face of your father.
Well I didnt want to drink some mexican beer and close my eyes and point at the screen which I think thats how you explained you do your RNG.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 05:18 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:12 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:58 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:
your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-. Chromatically opens up just with questions. "Why do you think X", "What do you think of Y", etc. After making these, he comes out against ritoky with this argument: On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell. He laters adds Hopeless1der for awkwardness and when he calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25000070he does it with some pretty reasonable-sounding arguments, but these arguments are actually flawed. He says scum won't sheep and will actually try to stick out, which in general is NOT how scum act. Yes, scum don't want to appear OBVIOUSLY Sheeping, but scum will generally try to appear "middle of the herd" rather than following the herd. Chromatically being wrong about this though doesn't make him scum, it just makes him wrong. His seeming misunderstadning of ritoky's (admittedly poorly laid out / formatted) argument about my usage of RNG is actually more suspicous. IF he actually clicked the links, he'd see me RNGing in each of those games. In fact, for trying to figure out when I RNG, ritoky is almost certainly town. If he's scum, he could just be like "BH using rng is stupid, we should lynch him for being stupid", or, if rayn was somehow town, he could say "RNG is great let's lynch rayn" This isn't what riotky did. He saw me using RNG, then said to himself, "hmm, I'm going to do research. How does Blazinghand's decision to do RNG tell me about his alignment? Let's see when he's used this in the past"-- to react to this by trying to use it as a tool to determine my alignment, this almost certainly makes ritoky town. Chromatically doesn't see this, which means he's not trying to get in ritoky's head, or maybe isn't capable of doing so? In any case, Chromatically mostly comes off as good-natured but wrong rather than baltantly scummy. If he's scum, he won't come out and spew incorrect theories about how to make scumreads, not when it would draw attention to him. Chromatically is not on my lynch list today Yeah, I like that ritoky part. It's certainly a townie reaction to dig your game history for RNG-related things to think about your alignment.
Yeah there's no way I'm lynching ritoky unless he goes way downhill. Like, wow, someone actually went and found links and stuff. His presentation gets a D- since he could have like said "Blazinghand has played in the following games and RNGed this many times and these were his alignments" but his research gets an A, and it shows an underlying thought process that almost certainly comes from town.
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On October 23 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
Also rayn why do I get the feeling you going after BH is just because his RNG landed on you. Not sure if that makes you town or scum at this point but dont worry I will figure you out in the next 12 hours. I want to lynch you because you refuse to play the game. If you continue to do that i want to lynch you even more. I came here to play mafia, not to play some stupid rng kids game. At least Blazinghand seems to be starting to play,...
Oh rayn that doesnt work with me. Im not refuseing to play the game. Just refusing to play how you think it should be played. I will still catch the scummers, but my way with my gut and then just tell you who to vote. And when I do tell you who to vote you should vote them as my gut is so much more right then when I acutally think about things.
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On October 23 2015 05:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:18 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 05:12 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:58 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.
Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.
Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
People I'm mixed on
Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?
Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.
The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)
Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.
Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.
So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:
your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.
In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-. Chromatically opens up just with questions. "Why do you think X", "What do you think of Y", etc. After making these, he comes out against ritoky with this argument: On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell. He laters adds Hopeless1der for awkwardness and when he calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25000070he does it with some pretty reasonable-sounding arguments, but these arguments are actually flawed. He says scum won't sheep and will actually try to stick out, which in general is NOT how scum act. Yes, scum don't want to appear OBVIOUSLY Sheeping, but scum will generally try to appear "middle of the herd" rather than following the herd. Chromatically being wrong about this though doesn't make him scum, it just makes him wrong. His seeming misunderstadning of ritoky's (admittedly poorly laid out / formatted) argument about my usage of RNG is actually more suspicous. IF he actually clicked the links, he'd see me RNGing in each of those games. In fact, for trying to figure out when I RNG, ritoky is almost certainly town. If he's scum, he could just be like "BH using rng is stupid, we should lynch him for being stupid", or, if rayn was somehow town, he could say "RNG is great let's lynch rayn" This isn't what riotky did. He saw me using RNG, then said to himself, "hmm, I'm going to do research. How does Blazinghand's decision to do RNG tell me about his alignment? Let's see when he's used this in the past"-- to react to this by trying to use it as a tool to determine my alignment, this almost certainly makes ritoky town. Chromatically doesn't see this, which means he's not trying to get in ritoky's head, or maybe isn't capable of doing so? In any case, Chromatically mostly comes off as good-natured but wrong rather than baltantly scummy. If he's scum, he won't come out and spew incorrect theories about how to make scumreads, not when it would draw attention to him. Chromatically is not on my lynch list today Yeah, I like that ritoky part. It's certainly a townie reaction to dig your game history for RNG-related things to think about your alignment. Yeah there's no way I'm lynching ritoky unless he goes way downhill. Like, wow, someone actually went and found links and stuff. His presentation gets a D- since he could have like said "Blazinghand has played in the following games and RNGed this many times and these were his alignments" but his research gets an A, and it shows an underlying thought process that almost certainly comes from town.
But didnt his links just go to your filter in games and not actually point things out lol.
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Blazinghand
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On October 23 2015 05:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
Also rayn why do I get the feeling you going after BH is just because his RNG landed on you. Not sure if that makes you town or scum at this point but dont worry I will figure you out in the next 12 hours. I want to lynch you because you refuse to play the game. If you continue to do that i want to lynch you even more. I came here to play mafia, not to play some stupid rng kids game. At least Blazinghand seems to be starting to play,... Oh rayn that doesnt work with me. Im not refuseing to play the game. Just refusing to play how you think it should be played. I will still catch the scummers, but my way with my gut and then just tell you who to vote. And when I do tell you who to vote you should vote them as my gut is so much more right then when I acutally think about things.
Couid you possibly rephrase this? I'm having trouble getting what you're getting at here. You're just following GB... which you claim to have RNGed.
please advise
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I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?
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