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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 14:56 GMT
#481
because most of town aren't retards and/or mafia?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 14:58 GMT
#482
##Vote: GlowingBear

much better vote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 22 2015 15:10 GMT
#483
On October 22 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 22:24 Chromatically wrote:
marv, any opinions on ritoky/my post on ritoky?

not really. i mean you could be right and it's mafia picking up on those things. But i also don't see why a townie might not either. I can't really tell why one scenario should be particularly more likely than the other. So... *shrug*

ritoky's pretty null for me basically

Alright, I can see how it could come from town. I would say it's more likely from mafia because it's a very easy thing to point out about a very easy person to jump on, whereas town would explain why they thought gumshoe's thought process was scummy instead of just giving a laundry list of "tells" like this:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

I'm not as confident in it now as I was, but I think it's still reasonable especially in combination with the fact that the rest of his posts are pure filler with no actual reads/town content.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 22 2015 15:13 GMT
#484
On October 22 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
because most of town aren't retards and/or mafia?


So you think he is town based on what?
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:13 GMT
#485
On October 23 2015 00:10 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:24 Chromatically wrote:
marv, any opinions on ritoky/my post on ritoky?

not really. i mean you could be right and it's mafia picking up on those things. But i also don't see why a townie might not either. I can't really tell why one scenario should be particularly more likely than the other. So... *shrug*

ritoky's pretty null for me basically

Alright, I can see how it could come from town. I would say it's more likely from mafia because it's a very easy thing to point out about a very easy person to jump on, whereas town would explain why they thought gumshoe's thought process was scummy instead of just giving a laundry list of "tells" like this:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

I'm not as confident in it now as I was, but I think it's still reasonable especially in combination with the fact that the rest of his posts are pure filler with no actual reads/town content.

on the other hand, i could tell you mafia are more likely to make hay and actually explain those things (which are quite easy to do) so that they have a nice looking post. I'd say mafia are more prone to overexplanation, no? :>
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:13 GMT
#486
On October 23 2015 00:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
because most of town aren't retards and/or mafia?


So you think he is town based on what?

reading the thread
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 22 2015 15:25 GMT
#487
On October 23 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:10 Chromatically wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:24 Chromatically wrote:
marv, any opinions on ritoky/my post on ritoky?

not really. i mean you could be right and it's mafia picking up on those things. But i also don't see why a townie might not either. I can't really tell why one scenario should be particularly more likely than the other. So... *shrug*

ritoky's pretty null for me basically

Alright, I can see how it could come from town. I would say it's more likely from mafia because it's a very easy thing to point out about a very easy person to jump on, whereas town would explain why they thought gumshoe's thought process was scummy instead of just giving a laundry list of "tells" like this:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

I'm not as confident in it now as I was, but I think it's still reasonable especially in combination with the fact that the rest of his posts are pure filler with no actual reads/town content.

on the other hand, i could tell you mafia are more likely to make hay and actually explain those things (which are quite easy to do) so that they have a nice looking post. I'd say mafia are more prone to overexplanation, no? :>

I agree to an extent. I think mafia are likely to explain tells in a general way (what ritoky did) , but applying them to specific people is much harder because that's when you have to explain how their town actions were motivated by a mafia thought process.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 22 2015 15:26 GMT
#488
I don't really see why GB is mafia for that read rather than it just being a bad read.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:27 GMT
#489
On October 23 2015 00:25 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:10 Chromatically wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:24 Chromatically wrote:
marv, any opinions on ritoky/my post on ritoky?

not really. i mean you could be right and it's mafia picking up on those things. But i also don't see why a townie might not either. I can't really tell why one scenario should be particularly more likely than the other. So... *shrug*

ritoky's pretty null for me basically

Alright, I can see how it could come from town. I would say it's more likely from mafia because it's a very easy thing to point out about a very easy person to jump on, whereas town would explain why they thought gumshoe's thought process was scummy instead of just giving a laundry list of "tells" like this:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

I'm not as confident in it now as I was, but I think it's still reasonable especially in combination with the fact that the rest of his posts are pure filler with no actual reads/town content.

on the other hand, i could tell you mafia are more likely to make hay and actually explain those things (which are quite easy to do) so that they have a nice looking post. I'd say mafia are more prone to overexplanation, no? :>

I agree to an extent. I think mafia are likely to explain tells in a general way (what ritoky did) , but applying them to specific people is much harder because that's when you have to explain how their town actions were motivated by a mafia thought process.

but he applied it to a specific person.

are you telling me you struggled to understand what those tells were relating to in gumshoe's post(s)?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:27 GMT
#490
On October 23 2015 00:26 Chromatically wrote:
I don't really see why GB is mafia for that read rather than it just being a bad read.

it's ok i don't need you to understand
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 22 2015 15:29 GMT
#491
On October 23 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 22 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
because most of town aren't retards and/or mafia?


So you think he is town based on what?

reading the thread


Well, I think he is mafia because he is assuming things in absolutes. I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay.
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:32 GMT
#492
Can you give a couple examples of what he is "assuming in absolutes"?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 22 2015 15:44 GMT
#493
On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.


On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked


There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads.
I'm adorable.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 22 2015 15:44 GMT
#494
On October 23 2015 00:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:25 Chromatically wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:10 Chromatically wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 22:24 Chromatically wrote:
marv, any opinions on ritoky/my post on ritoky?

not really. i mean you could be right and it's mafia picking up on those things. But i also don't see why a townie might not either. I can't really tell why one scenario should be particularly more likely than the other. So... *shrug*

ritoky's pretty null for me basically

Alright, I can see how it could come from town. I would say it's more likely from mafia because it's a very easy thing to point out about a very easy person to jump on, whereas town would explain why they thought gumshoe's thought process was scummy instead of just giving a laundry list of "tells" like this:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

I'm not as confident in it now as I was, but I think it's still reasonable especially in combination with the fact that the rest of his posts are pure filler with no actual reads/town content.

on the other hand, i could tell you mafia are more likely to make hay and actually explain those things (which are quite easy to do) so that they have a nice looking post. I'd say mafia are more prone to overexplanation, no? :>

I agree to an extent. I think mafia are likely to explain tells in a general way (what ritoky did) , but applying them to specific people is much harder because that's when you have to explain how their town actions were motivated by a mafia thought process.

but he applied it to a specific person.

are you telling me you struggled to understand what those tells were relating to in gumshoe's post(s)?


Here's the quote in question:
On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.


at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.

He's giving a textbook definition of the tell and then saying that gumshoe did that, rather than talking about why that makes him mafia.

Scum do X, player A did X, therefore A is scum - easy for mafia to point out
player A did X and the mafia reasoning behind A doing this thing in this context... - harder

Do you see what I'm saying? Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a difference in post style but I think the first one is much easier for mafia to do.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:45 GMT
#495
On October 23 2015 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.


Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked


There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads.

are you seriously telling me right now Vivax doesn't make the type of 1st post as town?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 22 2015 15:46 GMT
#496
Maybe ritoky, where he said he was INCLINED to give a town read, then there he is, top town read.

But BH and Xata I didn't see it.

I simply dislike his tone, it's not his usual paranoid, and his town reads were too easy to give.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 22 2015 15:48 GMT
#497
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 00:45 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked[/QUOTE]

There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads.[/QUOTE]
are you seriously telling me right now Vivax doesn't make the type of 1st post as town? [/QUOTE

His first post was a vote on yamato?

And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:50 GMT
#498
On October 23 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:
His first post was a vote on yamato?

And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.

This doesn't make sense. He calls yamato mafia and so he's not paranoid? What are you saying?

Like I get what you're saying about the townlist, but you need to explain it much much better about calling people mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 15:52 GMT
#499
I got a dinner with the other students and staff at 7:30 PM, will be around for a bit and either back today or tomorrow.

GB did you totally ignore the post where I actually muse about ritoky's alignment for a bit before deciding to townread him?

Or the fact that going aggressive on yamato early was part of my early game strategy, which I also said in the thread (and later turned to actual confidence on him being scum).

I saw he posted a bit on the phone today so I'll have to process that first, but that's not the point I'm making with this post.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 22 2015 15:56 GMT
#500
like it just seems so very lazy to me to characterise Vivax's townplay as "paranoid" and then call him mafia because his posts don't fit into this very shallow metric.

I like my vote better now than when I made it when it was more of a random punt
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