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On April 15 2015 00:53 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:
My issue personally with Trfel's post is that D2 is a bit too premature to conclude the entire scumteam is inactive. Now I don't think he's PoEed everyone else yet, from what I recall, I believe it's a result of whoever he's rated the lowest in his latest page of analysis.
It is possible and it has certainly happened, but given the nature of scumteams on TL on average, it is unlikely. It IS likely there's one lurker, possibly two on a three-person scumteam, but all three being inactive would be extremely rare. Again, I never said this at all... I have said that all of the people that I am currently thinking of lynching are less active. I'm not good enough to call out the scum team at this point in the game, you know that. I go lynch by lynch. Anyway, it seems that people don't really want to lynch Stutters695 today, so I suppose I will accept that. The Shining looks like a fair target, but I'll take another look at Bourneq and TheBloodyDwarf.
i want to lynch stutters xD
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actually lol rereading his filter i don't. looks more like someone trying to push his lynch than someone withholding reads. the pressure on prp looks pretty solid to me :/
meh i hate policy lynches on principle too, hts lol ><
gonna filter prp and tube again i guess :/ tube mostly cause i kinda ignored him after his tinfoil
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On April 15 2015 00:42 Half the Sky wrote:Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with: Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads. When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me. It's relative....
Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it.
For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious.
On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote:
okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol
can we lynch soren or stutters? Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it.
Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day).
At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch.On April 12 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:
okay tube who do we lynch then? Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.
Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period.
Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game.
This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.
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Half the Sky, I'm interested to see what you have to say about the argument above. In about an hour and a half, I need to head out, and then I won't be back until 30 minutes to the deadline (plus or minus another 15 minutes.....). So if you want to lynch me or prplhz, I would like to talk about that now. If you ignore me now, while I am present, and then start trying to kill me only once I'm gone, I won't be very pleased (and I would like to think that you would be under quite a bit of suspicion after).
If you are concerned about my scumreads not having a balance of lurkers and non-lurkers, I'm sorry. I could falsify my scumreads to make them "perfect" in every way, but that isn't good for town at all. I realize that I most likely missed at least one mafia. I'm just saying that at this point in the day, I'm not going to have the time to try and catch them today, and so I'll go with the people I initially judge as scummy and make the best lynch from them. I am highly confident that at least one member of my lynch pool is mafia.
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On April 15 2015 00:52 rsoultin wrote:
meh i kinda want to lynch stutters not gonna lie -_-
which is why i keep asking you why you don't
i just...meh i had the same problem with soren who flipped town but lol >< the one-liners with no explanation is bugging the shit out of me. he says he doesn't like day 1. okay fine and fair enough. it's day 2 now
stutters why is it so difficult to say why you don't like truffle's post?
Well honestly, I misread his post. I misunderstood the part about voting with no explanation as more of an added bonus but his main point was about SC2 mafia which came off as him setting up a mislynch (if trfel is scum) using a non alignment indicative thing to push him. After rereading it correctly, I actually enjoy the post and his reaction to my statement. That confidence feels natural like he has nothing to worry about.
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TheBloodyDwarf
On April 10 2015 16:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Looks like I have to bit explain myself. After reading this I think my posts make more sense.
This is not sc2 arcade mafia.
I thought day 1 is just day for chat. Nothing happens before somebody brings evidency to table. Also I didnt know its insta lynch who gets most votes. So pretty much my day1 posts mean nothing. I felt like everybody is chatting (felt for me) and then suddenly Soren333 starts replying to those chatty posts. I thought it looked really funny and he even asked questions that I answered later but before he asked again.
Also I didnt know that scum means mafia. I realized scum means mafia way way later. "Everybody has little scum inside them" Isn't that just like some IRC chat? like talking to friends? Nobody trying to be serious kind of answer.
Why I voted somebody? Looks like you have to vote everyday or you get kicked out of the game. (again this is not sc2 mafia..). I just voted fearing maybe I forget or don't have time to vote and admins kick me out.
Why fear of death some ask? Well, I want to play this game and not to die? "I hope our cop or vigi is good". Again, I was expecting cop to give some "evidence" to table and then people discuss is that person trustful and can his claims even be possible.
But that's all wrong. Looks like you make your presumption based on chat. With feels quite weird to me now but I am noob playing this mafia for the first time and some here are experts. So I have to see how this works out.
So I think I have time to rethink who to vote so,
##UNVOTE I feel that this is a key post from TheBloodyDwarf. After a long series of rules misunderstandings and not really adjusting to the game properly, TheBloodyDwarf states (in bold) that this is a different game than SC2 arcade mafia. Because of this post, I am willing to forgive him his previous errors. And from this point out, I expect to see him attempting to play the game in the forum mafia style, instead of the SC2 arcade mafia style. But I don't see him following through with this.
On April 10 2015 16:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
^^^And I voted for guy who I least liked so far^^^ This is one read that he provides, he says that he liked prplhz the least by the time he voted for him.
On April 11 2015 20:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Back to the point.
Call my blind but I just don't see anything really suspicious. I was going to vote for Ace but now he is gone.
Soren is bit weird tho. He comes to thread with fireguns bangging and then goes silent for moment. But nothing special. Also Stutters is really quiet. On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
O.o
Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?
dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?
prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol
you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that? I dont find anybody really suspicious..  Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think. btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning  TheBloodyDwarf also provides these two posts before End of Day, which actually provide sufficient explanation for his late vote on Stutters695.
There's really no reason to go either way on him. Since the post I first mentioned, his play has changed. I can see him as a new player who simply is having trouble finding suspicious things. However, outside of a possible toneread, I see no reason to townread him either, as he hasn't done anything amazing. I can easily see TheBloodyDwarf being either alignment, so I don't really want to lynch him today.
The most suspicious thing about him is really his inactivity, he hasn't shared any reads at all since Day 1. But that isn't really alignment indicative. He might need to be policy lynched eventually, but I see more reason to lynch The Shining, at least (if not others as well).
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On April 15 2015 01:27 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 00:52 rsoultin wrote:
meh i kinda want to lynch stutters not gonna lie -_-
which is why i keep asking you why you don't
i just...meh i had the same problem with soren who flipped town but lol >< the one-liners with no explanation is bugging the shit out of me. he says he doesn't like day 1. okay fine and fair enough. it's day 2 now
stutters why is it so difficult to say why you don't like truffle's post? Well honestly, I misread his post. I misunderstood the part about voting with no explanation as more of an added bonus but his main point was about SC2 mafia which came off as him setting up a mislynch (if trfel is scum) using a non alignment indicative thing to push him. After rereading it correctly, I actually enjoy the post and his reaction to my statement. That confidence feels natural like he has nothing to worry about.
xP
i need to stop liking people who agree with me. that's a bad way to play mafia lol ><
that said, i'd already decided i didn't want to lynch you despite this disagreement earlier so...okay i know i've been very resistant to a prplhz lynch. you use meta and i use...well kind of bastardized meta >< that is partially tone reads
gonna use what you linked earlier when i'm rechecking his filter, so is there anything else you want to add? and if you can't lynch prp today, who would you lynch? (tbh with you truffle kinda nailed it on the head in his earlier post though, why i got that town feel from prp day 1 >< he's more articulate than me the bastard lol)
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Ugh, I suppose I'm not so sure that I want to lynch Stutters695 any more, either. While I feel that is prplhz read is wrong and the information he presents is also wrong, he has been very forceful about it. The initial reason for scumreading Stutters695 (not driving discussion) isn't as valid any more. Stutters695 could be scum here, but I'd like to give him some more time.
##vote The Shining
I demonstrated previously why I don't like The Shining's posting to this point. It's possible that he is just busy, but I feel that he has a fairly good chance of flipping scum. I'll take another look at his, Ace1312's, and Bourneq's filters in a bit, hopefully. Right now, I need to head out for lunch.
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On April 15 2015 01:24 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, I'm interested to see what you have to say about the argument above. In about an hour and a half, I need to head out, and then I won't be back until 30 minutes to the deadline (plus or minus another 15 minutes.....). So if you want to lynch me or prplhz, I would like to talk about that now. If you ignore me now, while I am present, and then start trying to kill me only once I'm gone, I won't be very pleased (and I would like to think that you would be under quite a bit of suspicion after).
If you are concerned about my scumreads not having a balance of lurkers and non-lurkers, I'm sorry. I could falsify my scumreads to make them "perfect" in every way, but that isn't good for town at all. I realize that I most likely missed at least one mafia. I'm just saying that at this point in the day, I'm not going to have the time to try and catch them today, and so I'll go with the people I initially judge as scummy and make the best lynch from them. I am highly confident that at least one member of my lynch pool is mafia.
I'm back. Still at the damn office trying to get stuff done :/
Reading through your stuff quick though.
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Went back to see what the issues JJB had with the Onegu case. I get the part about the medications but at best that's NAI.
Regarding your previous post Trfel, you provided a lynch pool. I couched that wrong (concluded scumteam) I stand corrected.
The point I was driving at there was that you had a pool of scummy lurkers. However, the analysis just now though makes my decision harder though. I know in past games you (Trfel) have provided these sequential page by page reads. I am following where you're putting the "scum" in the scummy lurkers. But I'm still having issues with prplhz.
My next post is the one voting situation I did not consider.
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(Trfel, you're still here right?)
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On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch. Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.
If I recall right, you're townreading Tube. Now focus on the bolded.
Tube had discussed a theory where if a scum prp knew that Stutters was town and Stutters has the potential to be town given his conviction on prp, what is the likelihood of a scum prp wanting to counterwagon on Stutters to set up a possible mislynch?
Now I'll admit I'm a little biased here because following this he tried to pin blame on me for switching off plotspot, but it was he who led that charge.
If you think Stutters' case is valid (or at least the presentation is a town trait) do you think there's credence to the possibility that prp is doing what Tube thinks he's trying to do by counterwagoning? Does the bolded look at all opportunistic? That's what I'm driving at.
If you think I've missed something, quote it.
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This was honestly one of the things that jumped out at me, but reading the first link from Stutters in his case against prplhz again...
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On April 14 2015 12:45 Tubesock wrote:
Well, I can still lynch Dwarf. I'm thinking about Prplhz. I don't understand why he's so hard defending him. Well, I mean I see his reasons. But why were Plot and Bourneq any different? Or Stutters prior to his Prp case? My tinfoil is saying that he set up the shenany to set up a mlynch the next day. It's pretty easy to see that EoD weirdness will get a lot of talk. We've done nothing but scum random people all for the same reasons.
Directed at Trfel - this is the quote to support what he was working through.
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lol also...the "mysterious" thing i was doing earlier was to see if half-the-sky kept it up when the votes were off her, since i basically told her to stop defending herself and prove someone is more scummy than she is xP even with the pressure off you've kept pushing hts, and the thing i don't understand from town is entirely how you approached the vote (namely not screaming your lungs off even in the last two minutes if you were convinced we were lynching town)
i'm willing to set that aside given your activity throughout day 2 and my earlier townread on you lol ><
grabbing some lunch myself, then i'll look through:
prp, tube, shining, bourne
right now though i think shining's the best lynch. it's kinda policy but at the same time he came back to the thread and still didn't do anything productive, which makes it more than just afking, and i know he plays a lurky scumgame
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On April 15 2015 01:11 rsoultin wrote:
actually lol rereading his filter i don't. looks more like someone trying to push his lynch than someone withholding reads. the pressure on prp looks pretty solid to me :/
meh i hate policy lynches on principle too, hts lol ><
gonna filter prp and tube again i guess :/ tube mostly cause i kinda ignored him after his tinfoil
From what I can tell looking at Tube's argument on prplhz is that he's queasy on
1) he can do the same things as town as he can do scum
2) something about his defending Dwarf compared to Bourneq and Tube hinting at a double standard.
Like I was scumreading Bourneq here too but to me, activity wasn't the problem, it was the read progression.
Look at prplhz. Maybe this is what Stutters means by loose reads.
The first few lines from prp to scum Bourneq is (paraphrasing but can quote on request)
"Can someone tell me why Bourneq is town"
"I see nothing town" etc.
You don't need to go into a crazy case. But you see these quotes:
On April 10 2015 09:04 prplhz wrote:
i don't know i have a better feeling about bourneq
On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote:
like i have zero reason to think bourneq is town. he doesn't seem to be doing any sort of thinking about the game unless prodded.
bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it.
These quotes were from early D1. I tried to context Bourneq as a very new player to mafia well before I cased him.
On April 13 2015 10:10 prplhz wrote:
can anybody show me one single reason to think bourneq is town, one single incident of him trying to win the game for town? that would really help me.
On April 13 2015 04:20 prplhz wrote:
what i'm saying is that dwarf is looking townie so far and i'm not going to lynch him tomorrow unless something new happens that radically changes how i feel about him. which i consider highly unlikely.
Followed by several one-liners of differentiating between bourneq and dwarf. (pages 8-10 of filter)
On April 14 2015 15:50 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 15:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
But I did? stop being useless?
I mentioned this before and Tube even pinged him out and so did Rasputin...
What I'm driving at is we can't follow how he's setting one standard for Dwarf and one for Bourneq. I'm being more specific in what I was scumming Bourneq for, but this honestly gives a little credence to how Stutters is talking about loose reads.
Like Page 1, Bourneq makes a noncomittal read and I am pretty sure I queried him on it to make sure it was a noob issue. The thing is I get the sense from the filter that he's hung onto that.
I am hoping this makes sense. Filter diving is probably the best way to understand what I'm saying.
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I am leaving the office. Back in an hour. Or so.
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Actually of note, because I don't want to miss Trfel - I'll be on the thread on my phone during my commute home.
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I have absolutely 0 chance of flipping scum. Yeah, I haven't been around. That's my b. I didn't realize how much fun was going to be available on my days off and was out and unable to access a computer most of my weekend.
I have about 8 more pages of catching up to do but I will definitely be here for EoD. Initial thoughts: I was suspicious of Onegu but Trfel turning up and his page by page summaries with follow ups and questions actually look okay to me. I noticed he voted me and I'll reply to that if I feel its necessary but as I feel he's town looking for a lurker scum lynch(I know how bad I look), I can't waste too much time on that.
Right now, unless the next 8 pages change something, I could definitely still lynch Dwarf. Stutters is looking only marginally better. I just peeked at Bourne's filter and it actually looks better as of recent, I would take him off the table for today.
If I couldn't lynch Dwarf, I'd lynch Breshke. I don't like his recent play. Where Trfel actually analyzed and cased me for his vote on me, Breshke is using me as a placeholder before EoD and going to sleep. Setting up for an afk vote? This is the post:
On April 14 2015 23:42 Breshke wrote:Is thread dead? Ended up going to a friends and the night got away from me. I should probably go to sleep so i have a chance of being around for the deadline but i feel that the way these days have been progressing with many people seemingly holding back their votes is bad for town. Not scummy as ive been doing it myself but it is hard to see where people stand and i feel it is harder for scum to buss or whatever if everyone is actually voting. That being said I hate that stutters seemingly has little time to play yet when he is in the thread he makes posts like these. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. This is a real good post. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him. He does not explain anything. Yes he wasnt immediately prompted to do so by someone yet if you cant stick around to interact and talk about these things why not just post your thoughts not shitty general comments. This being said I WILL NOT be voting stutters today and im probably going to regret it. Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. This post again i kind of like from bourne as it is actually about stuff that is happening this phase and the last sentence is a good observation. Once again shows at elast some critical thinking about the game. Heres where i start to feel really dirty. ##Vote TheshiningThis is third placeholder third because he has promised stuff yet not delivered anything and a third because i don't like the other options Im aiming to be awake in 5 hours so hopefully see you guys then
He's trying to get on my ML early to give it a lil traction, imo. This post looks like it started as a scumread or suspicion on Stutters before voting me. And Breshke's filter before his vote was completely devoid of any mention of my name at all. No interest at all in trying to figure out my alignment or acknowledge my entrance posts. His actions at EoD will say a lot for me.
Dwarf has literally contributed the least this game, even after multiple appearances in the thread. The fact he has people defending him strongly means his lynch has a chance of flipping scum and giving town a good amount of info.
##Vote: TheBloodyDwarf
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On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 00:42 Half the Sky wrote:Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with: On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads. When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me. It's relative.... Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it. For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious. Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote:
okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol
can we lynch soren or stutters? Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it. Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day). At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch. Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so. Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period. Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game. This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.
While I understand where you're coming from, the part in green I absolutely disagree about. It can be fine, but again prpl didn't care about it being me getting lynched. He ignored my reasoning for voting plot, which was a direct response to his question. If you're going to try and honestly lynch scum, you'd think he'd respond to that in sone fashion. You'd also think he would try to stick around for the deadline but he wasn't really concerned with who got lynched. If plot dies, he's gets credit for the town read and switching before and if I die, it's a simple "well he posted so little I thought he was a good lynch"
You don't start a counter wagon so close to the deadline then go afk if he really believed plot was town. He didn't really care about saving him, he didn't really care who got lynched d1 and he certainly doesn't care who gets lynched today. That's not town.
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