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CysticFibros
Germany26 Posts
race: Protoss 1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play. 2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter. Replay: http://drop.sc/395839 | ||
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jaf
Italy9 Posts
MonteCristo EU Protoss http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031 Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) | ||
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Skyblueone
Belgium155 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 07 2015 21:41 CysticFibros wrote: Hackername: Chalumeau race: Protoss 1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play. 2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter. Replay: http://drop.sc/395839 OMG I though april's fool was last week! you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss? Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/ MonteCristo EU Protoss http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031 Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts : 1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech? 2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no? 3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking? 4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think? In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 07 2015 23:47 Skyblueone wrote: this guy is probably hacking. http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/5910075 I don't think this post follows any of this thread's rules... | ||
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jaf
Italy9 Posts
On April 08 2015 01:34 Gwavajuice wrote: Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts : 1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech? 2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no? 3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking? 4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think? In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that: 6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!! 14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still) 15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing?? 16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon 18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map 18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 08 2015 02:22 jaf wrote: idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that: 6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!! 14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still) 15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing?? 16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon 18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map 18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually. Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments... | ||
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jaf
Italy9 Posts
On April 08 2015 04:10 Gwavajuice wrote: He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually. Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments... yeah but moving stalker in my drop is rlly suspicious i wait more people to watch the replay | ||
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Entropical
Russian Federation2 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/340614-gm-master-map-hacker-and-general-hacking-and-cheating-thread?page=451#9012 | ||
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AntiHacker
Turkey2 Posts
On April 07 2015 20:26 Gwavajuice wrote: Watched the whole replay from is point of view : 1 - no evidence of hacking whatsoever 2 - more like evidence of not hacking cause many times he would have done things better if he was hacking (killing overlords faster, better positionning of his army, defending your runbyes...) 3 - big evidence of you being salty. You seriously reported him 20 times to blizzard? Not only it makes you look ridiculous but also spamming false accusations won't help blizzard in busting the real hackers... Edit : I'm sure the kind of guy that also rant about Blizzard doing nothing about hackers... U must be his friend or himself no doubt! He's exactly hacked the game when he moves the army against mine thats shows correctly he is a MapHacker. Thats obvious.... | ||
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CysticFibros
Germany26 Posts
On April 07 2015 23:59 Gwavajuice wrote: OMG I though april's fool was last week! you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss? Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help. Please stop spam hacker matter what league or not fakes Maphack is a hack | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
Has been maphacking for at least 1 month. Server: EU League: Diamond B.Net profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/1606736158648172544 http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3713126/1/NightWarrior/ Replay: http://drop.sc/395875 Pulls multiple probes ahead of time against a non scouted cannon rush. | ||
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BadBorz
Canada61 Posts
On April 08 2015 02:22 jaf wrote: idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that: 6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!! 14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still) 15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing?? 16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon 18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map 18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs I agree with you lol... this guy is a maphacker and that's pretty obvious.he moves his stalkers right to the drops while he has absolutely no information on what's going on on the map because of no obs, no scouting at all. he also go straight to the marauder behind the xel naga tower to kill it. he also stay very prepared to the front incoming attack before it comes on third base. this guy is a maphacker and it's 100% obvious if you dont agree with that you should be totally blind, stupid or be a friend of him or even himself. | ||
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ShazWowSC
1 Post
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MonkeyBot
United States125 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On April 11 2015 07:32 MonkeyBot wrote: I thought this would be a good place to post About Blizzards's recent round of bans and suspensions: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/18648312 and there was great rejoicing yaaaaaay | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Server: NA League: N/A Description: Throughout the course of this replay, perfect phoenix harrass early on, always avoids units. I will list all of the time stamps, as well as corresponding time stamps to his VOD that show suspicious action. There are also suspicious waypoint rallies consistently in this game that consistently match-up with opponent unit pathing through the fog of war. In other words, WinterSC units will suddenly all be waypointed to a single point and then a second point past that point that correspond with either my destination point of my units, and with cloaked units through the fog of war. The most damning evidence i found starts at the 11:10-11-35 marks in the replay where if you watch closely going on very slow you will note Winter never moves his screen to the right most observer. The observer also never comes into vision range on top of that. Yet at the 11:28-11:29 mark you will see the strange way point command with the secondary destination point that is instantly put on top of my observer from the mini-map while Winter's screen is near his natural base, not to mention you cannot see cloaked units on the mini-map. The same thing happens multiple times in the game, earlier on in the game phoenix use this waypoint command and are set on the pathing of an observer, then it is done at my third base again set to pathing on a probe through the fog of war, then with the two observers starting at 11:14-11:16 high templar are warped in at my natural on the pathing of my left most observer to where my obs destination point is, and then again with a hallucinated phoenix that has the same waypointed command set on a path with the left most observer, and of course the observer on the right side of the map is the most blatant. My own analysis is here on my VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/avilo/v/4017010 Starting time of Analysis: 13:20 End Time of Analysis: 2:15:54 Replay: http://drop.sc/395918 VOD Of Opponent During the Game: http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/v/4011909 Starting Time of the Game Played: 4:01:40 Here are time stamps of my initial replay analysis with thoughts (i also go over all of these in my VOD): 6:00 goes for gas probes, then clicks through fog of war instead to probe he cannot see, then suddenly changes his mind and goes back to the gas probes (phoenix clicked exactly to the probe) 6:04 clicks almost directly on/near the MSC. Not unusual that MSC is between bases, but he goes straight to it 7:30 the 100% evidence: phoenixes selected by winter to kill probe leaving enemy natural, then... 7:35 his screen locks in place as he perfectly adjusts phoenix pathing towards the probe. Note he does not click to go scout the third from the start...he is following the probe through the fog of war. This is not a "random" catch that normally would happen like when a player would send their phoenix to the third to scout it 9:23 All game long winter is willing to blindly send his phoenix in...suddenly when another probe is en route to third his phoenix this time are purposely rallied solely to the third to kill the probe again 9:33 he has no idea where my phoenix were last at, main? natural? The moment i select my phoenix at 9:33, he selects his and moves his away as if he knows mine are on the way and then suddenly decides it's now safe to hit the natural? 10:35 no vision of the entire map, no timing on anythingas my units get closer to his natural be begins to select his stalkers repeatedly 10:36 starts to move his stalkers towards the direction i click my phoenix? similar command is queued up here to the one previously at 9:23 where he had queued phoenix movement in anticipation of a probe...same command done here and cancelled in same fashion 10:39 screen lock again...? He was microing without even looking at this units? What? 11:16 winter's templar are warping and and all of the for some reason are waypointed to his natural... Check my observer in the center of the map and where it is headed to... The templar are all rallied to the point near where my observer end path point is. 11:23 Screen locks at his natural as he then suddenly selects all stalkers and right clicks towards the observer which of course not only can he not detect, it is not even in range of his nexus or units in the fog of war. 11:24 the only scout/hallucinated phoenix makes the entire game is perfectly timed/pathed to cross paths with the observer coming down the center of the map. Phoenix is also way pointed to what looks random at firstbut was a previous location near the observer's pathing There is no reason to waypoint the phoenix in this nature ever which means it is automated with the hack winter is using Whatever hack this may be can possibly re-orient and set units on a path that will be to the intended destination of an opponent's unit? 11:28-11:29 The third time this strange command has been issued this game with his units. Keep in mind since 11:23 winter has not ever visually seen on his screen the observer blip. His screen is at his natural and he warps in a stalker. He then immediately has all of his stalkers selected and they all are instantly commanded to the exact pinpoint location of where the observer is on the mini-map, which of course is impossible because Winter never ever had his camera anywhere near the observer in the first place to have seen it Bonus Round: Winter's VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/v/4011909 Starting from 4:06:41: Every time he selects phoenixes to move them his eyes change direction looking at map for where my units are or are not Notice when he goes back to base to macro normally his focus is entirely on buildings, looks at main monitor... Then every time he goes to harrass he is looking at an entirely different monitor? ???? 4:06:51 Winter Selects phoenixes, eyes immediately shift to looking at mini map 4:07:11 Attention focuses momentarily to macro face forward as normal 4:07:12 Head suddenly shifts again to look at other monitor? map? Checking for position of my units, another successful harrass 4:07:17 Focused back on main monitor, goes to macro 4:07:20 Attention back on phoenixes 4:07:32 Back to macroing... 4:07:33 Head turns immediately now to check mini-map/2nd monitor for position of my units 4:07:39 This will no repeatedly happen any time he goes to harrass and selects his phoenixes, he will look off to the left (from his perspective). 4:07:36 Looks off to the left again checking mini-map/monitor/hack for position of my units to see if safe to phoenix harrass Once again, perfectly avoids all units 4:08:07 Selects phoenixes starts clicking around, then eyes again go to his left to check mini-map/hack/monitor Once again, perfectly avoid all units that had sent back to the natural. 4:08:35 Again, eyes to the left after selecting phoenixes 4:08:33 Looks like he looks off at the probe? 4:08:38 Phoenixes selected again, eyes shift way left again looking off to check where my units are again. Third time, 100% avoids all my units. Choosing correct base for PHoenix to harrass 4:09:02 He is bouncing phoenix between base, but checks his mini-map/hack/monitor just to make sure it's safe. Once again perfectly avoids army. 4:09:14 He immediately looks off to the left again, has his phoenix selected while screen is between his main and natural ---------------------------------------------------- *************** VOD Time: 4:09:17 Game Time: 7:30 This was the first very blatant moment i found from the replay analysis of him following a unit through the fog of war. *************** Watching the VOD after confirms that he immediately selects his phoenixes and his eyes veer off as has occurred every single time he does a 100% successful phoenix harrass. VOD Time: 4:09:20 Game Time: 7:33 All phoenixes selected, begins to look off to the left again VOD Time: 4:09:23 Game Time: 7:36 As he follows my probe through the fog of war he begins looking more to the left again ******************************************************* VOD Time: 4:09:35 Game Time 7:48 For the first time while harrassing with phoenixes, he does not look off to the left at his second monitor/hack and he runs into my phoenixes/stalkers this time. This is the one time during the VOD he does not turn his eyes left and it is the only time he predicts wrong on where my units are. ***************************************************** VOD Time: 4:09:47 Game Time: 8:00 Phoenixes selected, ready to harrass... VOD Time: 4:09:50 Game Time: 8:03 He again looks to his mini-map/monitor/hack to check for where my units are or are not VOD Time: 4:10:44 Game Time: 8:57 Phoenixes selected, he looks off to left at mini-map/hack monitor to see where is safe to harrass VOD Time: 4:10:45 Game Time: 8:58 Initially chooses to go to natural ********************************* VOD Time: 4:10:59 Game Time: 9:13 Phoenixes selected, immediately looks off to mini-map/hack monitor again to see where is safe to harrass? ********************************* VOD Time: 4:11:09 Game Time: 9:22 Phoenixes selected, looking again to the left ****************************** VOD Time: 4:11:12 Game Time: 9:26 Again, the video perfectly matches up to the initial replay analysis of him sending these phoenix specifically to snipe the probe going to my third. He even looks off to the left as the probe is about to get within vision. Eyes immediately look away from the probe when it does come into vision...Ooops Winter? VOD Time: 4:11:28 Game Time: 9:41 Again, this time eyes go to the right as he watches my units on the left side of the map. Perfectly avoids all phoenixes which he had no map vision of for quite a while. This is the 4th time in a row he has guessed correctly on his harrass. He had actually made a beeline towards the natural after looking off screen and identifying my phoenix were out of position. VOD Time: 4:11:40 Game Time: 9:53 No vision of my phoenixes...why is he suddenly smiling? He has not seen my phoenixes coming for his phoenix yet. What he probably does know is that my phoenix upgrade has finished and he is about to get caught (in multiple ways). He starts his change in expression before the phoenix are even on map/on screen. ************************************ Most Damning VOD Time: 4:12:23 Game Time: 10:37 Just as previously whenever harrassing with phoenix he looks off to the left to check where my units are positioned... He looks to the left as my units are about to reach his ramp, and this time in the game matches up perfectly with my initial replay analysis of this moment. VOD Time: 4:12:24 Game Time: 10:38 He now is again looking off to the left which we can conclude at this point is into the fog of war at my units as well as his screen about to be locked. VOD Time: 4:12:25 Game Time: 10:38/10:39 As with the initial replay analysis, Winter's screen moves down and locks, as he is looking at my army right outside of his natural, and he is instantly ready to grab his army ************************************ VOD Time: 4:13:05 Game Time 11:18 Eyes shift again to the left and he seems to know obs is nearby that he cannot see (never came in vision) VOD Time: 4:13:15 Game Time: 11:29 The most obvious looks off to the side again, then units all way pointed onto the observer which he should not even know is on the map (check the replay analysis) His cursor jumps to the observer location. Then his units fumble around. 4:18:09 VS HUK Eyes to the left before Huk's proxy probe is even in vision on mini-map? He sees proxy, decides to not even check for it? OK -------------------------------------- As mentioned and linked, i went over this on stream, i would like people's opinions here from TL. Once again, the most obvious suspicious action and impossible one to me is the one at 11:29 where his stalkers are insta rallied to an observer he's never seen with pin point accuracy from off screen while his screen is still at his natural base. Also edit: I do not have SC2 gears, but i would appreciate if someone could check the points in the game on SC2 gears where there is the weird way point command into secondary point, something may come up there. | ||
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Katowice25012 Posts
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Korea (South)2373 Posts
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