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On March 31 2015 06:41 Toadesstern wrote: I had stuff going in both directions until I found that one post and just went "fuck it I like the guy" Betting SL's right nut that it had to do with yourself. | ||
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On March 31 2015 06:44 Vivax wrote: Betting SL's right nut that it had to do with yourself. Lol | ||
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Damdred Activity Mafia: Imperial: 26/510 pages pages, D6 -> 5% Titanic: 2 pages, 1 cycle -> unreliable but low Town: Void: 11/146 pages, D3 -> 7.5% Linux: 10/130 pages, N1 -> 7.6% Horn of Africa: 9/118 (at that time) pages, D1 -> 7.6% Slytherin: 18/135 pages, D3 -> 13.3% This game: 20/408 pages -> 4.9% Two sidenotes to this: 1. Imperial and LXX are simply a ton spammier than the town games he's played. 2. Damdred's already said before the game he'd be afk for large amounts of time (first post in filter).[/spoiler] Meta Mafia I read Damdred's Titanic game where he replaced into Breshke's slot as scum. What I noticed here were three things: Damdred doesn't push his suspects that hard as mafia. Damdred had reads earlier on that he never got back to (could be simply because he didn't spend much time ingame) Damdred claims Rsoultin has a strong read on her, and she does on him. In Imperial, Damdred asked a lot of questions that didn't really do anything like these: + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff On January 01 2015 02:30 Damdred wrote: Then why aren't you voting him? All of this push and you aren't voting? On January 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: @DrH don't think i forgot about you i'm working on it while I talk to GB. @GB, what do you think about it do you feel like he was blue fishing making a joke? On January 02 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote: SL what about the framer and millers? Do you think mafia really reacts the way that he did here? This is just a small grasp of the questions that don't lead anywhere he asks. He makes many. Summarizing Mafia meta: Less posty, engages his scumread a lot, useless questions, forgetful. Town: First thing I notice is how Damdred talks with confidence and goes in against Gobble's read on Rayn hard and with confidence. He's generally quite confident. On February 08 2015 12:52 Damdred wrote: Errr rayn actually looks really town? What else do you have for what's been going on On February 08 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote: Right now your posts are weird you cast shadows without conclusions in your posts On February 09 2015 12:57 Damdred wrote: I don't think you got the point at all. Posting less has nothing to do with what I said at all. Furthermore, Damdred's scumread on Gobble leads him to push the lynch and push it hard and doesn't let go. In Horn of Africa, Damdred was a strong suspect on D1 and it made him post a lot. In this game, he was also really sure of Rsoultin being scum and pushed her hard. Summarizing Town meta: Confidence, pushing the lynches he wants hard. Questions also tend to be much more directed and reads oriented. This game One thing to note is that Rsoultin has had a townread on Damdred from the start. She's also kept dropping reasons for them/things she expects town Damdred to do. First thing that worries me in his filter is this: On March 20 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: I think ff case is good, and the points brought are decent. Like I do think it's bad LS is being lazy a bit here as has been pointed out I'm not sure it's worth a vote but it's something to think about Damdred likes FF's case on LS, says it's something to think about.. then doesn't really think about it until he makes his big VCA post. (Intermezzo Vivax theory: A FF/Damdred bus on LS would make sense, especially if it was the plan for D2 but got trifled by Trfel checking him before it happened) What also bothers me in hindsight is that his case on Vivax wasn't followed by a vote and a push. In his town games, he kept repeating "Gobble is scum" or "Rso is scum". This game, Damdred does not seem as sold on Vivax being scum where he usually has been as town. Then the first big VCA post. I still really like it and I think it's a strong argument for a town Damdred. All of his reads read genuine to me, are developed well (though townreading FF, Palmar and Breshke worries me, I can see the motivation for FF at that juncture in any case, and Breshke's scumgames do look pretty terrible so I can't blame him there either but Palmar was really questionable) The biggest problem with his reads is that they've been very wrong. TR on Palmar, scum on Exo, Slam, and Superbia means that it definitely could've been made from a scum perspective. There's one thing that stands out to me in his reads post, I'm not sure what people think about it: This leaves me in a world where I have two mafia or one depending on setup between Superbia, Trfel and Artanis. I'm just wondering if it's something Mafia or Town would add in. Mafia might be worried about TMI; they would've read the questions Superbia and Trfel asked and it could be in their heads "don't betray how many mafia there are". Something to consider. I also really hate this post: On March 22 2015 02:47 Damdred wrote: Shoot like Exo and Trfel/Artanis Gives us the most information Damdred scumreads Slam/Exo/Superbia/LS, yet calls for the shot to be between Exo and Trfel/Me. What's really weird about this is that Slam is probably the least likely to confirm himself as town, and remain unreadable forever. The fact that Damdred softpushed for a shot on me is not good. The biggest problem for me in Damdred's filter is that besides those two posts, he's not really doing anything.. He isn't pushing his scumreads. He isn't really engaging anyone, just posting oneliners. Also On March 25 2015 11:26 Damdred wrote: I kinda want to lynch breske This kinda came out of nowhere as Damdred had been townreading Breshke a few times already before. It bothers me that I don't know why Damdred thinks Breshke is scum at this juncture because usually Damdred is very clear about who he wants to lynch and pushes it hard. Then there's his second VCA, which mostly concludes that scum wanted to lynch BM over Vivax since Palmar made the late switch (if this is the case, Mafia know about it anyway so it's an easy point to make) and then goes into the reasons for why they would or wouldn't switch to BM, but he doesn't really base his conclusions on them. It feels more like he had his conclusions already ready (in his townreads) and simply found another narrative to tell them. Conclusion Honestly, there's a lot of things that really worry me about this Damdred. He's showing scumtraits in that he hasn't really cared about who gets lynched, hasn't really appeared to be confident and I don't get where his read progression on Breshke came from when I usually have no problem following Damdred's thoughts. What still gives me pause is that he's never made these kinds of big cases/VCA's as scum, and that they're really hard to fabricate. I also know Damdred hates playing scum so from that perspective I find it unlikely he'd put this much effort into it, but I'm just not sure on him. I don't know what to think about Damdred. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: 100% two town big [vig] are very possible. I'd shoot two question marks maybe super and one of the ones who complained and steeped onto bm. I need to look just don't be dumb and kill each other. VERY unlikely to come from mafia if the entire plan was to see town in chaos d2 as we see a reapeat of d1 and lynch between Vivax/Toad. I think I'm stopping here. I wouldn't put him under as confirmed as the other ones but it seems likely that he's just confused / paranoid townie and thus makes no sense at times as he's all over the place with stuff that sometimes sounds really bad (content) while generally sounding townish to me (tonewise) as well as straight up playing against mafia agenda with his stance on there being 2 townvigs relatively early. The quote was still during n1 and they could have changed their strategy if mafia thought it's not a good idea at that point in time. | ||
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posting style in general very ballsy. I like it in general On March 19 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: Why you gotta be spreading falsehoods why I replaced out Eden tsk tsk tsk. Anyway <3 bm just don't fake claim a cop/tracker this game. I've got to sleep. But seriously I am sorta liking where trfels head is so far, its not that hard seeing the thought process so far and where she's going. So that is a good thing. Reminder to self read toads filter. also hopefully ve and vivax do stuff tommorow On March 19 2015 09:15 Damdred wrote: doesn't really fit togetherCatch up post for me so I knokw where to start from and other people to talk about Tentative town: HF Slam Palmar Rsoultin Tentative Null/Scum: Vivax FecalFeast Toad Tentative Scum: SL Trfel Tunnel: Eden His early opinion about me: On March 19 2015 22:31 Damdred wrote: I saw this after I made my super post damdred got those mind reading abilities this game. Toad I'm not sure I have a couple of problems with him, in his filter he's barely doing anything but going after palmar, saying he disagrees with people for x reason. The little pressure he put on SL he just stopped went back to palmar. Meh I dislike it Nothing wrong with that statement at that point in the game but he should be having the biggest town-bowner about me right now if that's what he thought about me earlier. Instead we have this about me from him: + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2015 11:50 Damdred wrote: Ok sort of leaning towards two hard to find scum like in art toad and one easy one on rit maybe. Obviously I need to reread the days and this is really conspiracy at this moment On March 30 2015 12:02 Damdred wrote: Also probably the town leaders will get up and laugh or discredit everything in saying but some of it has a high volume of merit. Also trfel is always town in this situation no matter what half crazy theory people spew ls would afk and play when he can not wnt his team mates to instantly out and kill him. Just more ramblings. I'm probably lynched tommorow or in lylo as I'm really one of the most viable mislynched at this moment as I've predicted would happen. Palmar soft pushed the idea of an SL and damdrsd lynch before SL confirmed himself. So there's that. Also scum ls jumped on my wagon really fast I don't think in anyway ls would hard bus mafia big like that after expressing doubt besides vivax claim and filter he probably has to be town no matter what. Tommorow if nobody else asks stuff o have to read ff, toad, art, breshke. It will take me most the night phase so questions will be asked and answered On March 30 2015 12:53 Damdred wrote: Toad over vivax at this point On March 30 2015 22:07 Damdred wrote: Why is Toad your most certain town read now over someone like Vivax? @Vivax I know the writing on the wall honestly, and i'm depressed idk what else to say, everything is reading weird from a few people to me meh This guy should literally be having the biggest townboner on me ever if he actually meant what he wrote about how he dislikes me for going after Palmar... especially with inbetween posts about me like this: On March 21 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote: I'm here I skipped 4 pages thread moved to fast no way is toad Scum here... On March 20 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote: Toad have I ever told you that I love your traps? Anyway I actually think you might have a stronger case for artanis in there than you do for Palmar at this point. if he thinks I'm mafia how am I pulling traps? He's just going back and forth when really he shouldn't. The innitial read on me is completly fine but idk why he's trying to get people against me right now On March 20 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote: Literally Rayn is talking to me like i'm town even though he claims i'm scum. My vote is in a good place On March 20 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: Literally if you are sure i'm scum you don't need to make posts like this to convince me not to vote you. If i'm scum you do not need to break down whats wrong with my scum read TO ME. If i'm scum to you, this makes no sense to me why you post talking to me as such instead of pushing me to hell and back to get lynched. actually nice posts does ask about Palmar, gets an answer and that's it. Does nothing with itm doesn't answer back in any way or form. Could be namedropping to make sure you have some of your buddies in your filter. That's super weak though + Show Spoiler [big wall of text] + On March 21 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: 100% two town big are very possible. I'd shoot two question marks maybe super and one of the ones who complained and steeped onto bm. I need to look just don't be dumb and kill each other. On March 22 2015 02:46 Damdred wrote: I'm going to be working from this mostly tonight tomorrow i'll probably expand a bit more or Monday depending on time constraints, I kind of want to look at the other wagons and see how they fell apart but this is probably the most important i'm deleting the failed wagons at this point but leaving wagons with single voters on it. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Firstly I want to talk about the claims a bit going forward, HF and Oneg are confirmed town. There is no reason at all for mafia to claim Mason early in the game. For starters you give up two of your team mates just in case one flips on a cop check or a rogue vigilante shot. They are the easiest people in the game to confirm 100%. Its idiotic for anyone to say that HF or Onegu are scum because of X. HF made the right call in the long run if HF flips scum, then onegu has to flip scum. its simple, mafia don't claim mason in this type of situation so people quit being bad. Two vigilantes are sort of likely in my mind. BH has had two vigilantes before in one of his games which makes ti more possible and then when you add in the orb which is basically a randomized killer in some instances it sort of makes more sense to me. The orb can act as another kill power for mafia or town, so another vig to help with a bit of balance makes a little sense to me. For now i'd rather just leave this alone and focus elsewhere. Rayns tracker claim is possibly the most meh to me as its hard for me to see so many hard confirming roles on people especially with masons in the game. I still think it might be true at this point though. (And 5 power roles makes sense in this setup with a weaker mason and a weak tracker also. Three weak roles and two strongers mafia probably has stronger roles in this setup as well if this is the case) ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Now moving back to the voting, Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Not Voting (0): Taking out the strikes at this juncture just for a clearer reading. Here we have confirmed BM who flipped green pushed by Mason HF to not lynch into the claims. We have claimed mason partner onegu on LS, with confirmed towny BM. We also have Tracker Rayn on BM. Also apart from the claims HF looks really towny himself, he pushed his own ideas early and helped get conversation started without stone walling anything. He pushed a lynch onto a towny he did but town is more than likely to be wrong than right especially early on. Vivax a part from the claim actually looks better after a glance at his filter, he tried really hard and his reads that he gave at the end especially towards little things like Art and myself actually had really good insightful things in them. He acted the part of town dying really well if hes scum and I don't think he can do it that well as scum i'm pretty sold of Vivax being town in this situation. His early filter screamed scum to me early but after that point he just looks really towny especially after the claim. Toads actions around the claim look decently towny to me at this point. Some of his thought process is jumbeled but I don't see the point of a mafia CC there just to go 1-1 especially if its a real scum vigi at this juncture. Its dumb to give up your shot in that sense for a shot at lynching the town vigilante. It just doesn't make logical sense to me to do that. I colored myself green since i'm confirmed to myself at least _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam My next stop is on the Eden and FecalFeast train. These two are probably my top two towns at this point in time, some of it is gut feelings but most of it is based on the play in the game up to this point. FecalFeast has played extremely aggressive up to this point. He has questioned people pretty doggedly and pushed his own ideas forward. He cased LS earlier in the game and it wasn't a bad case I think hes put in the most work in trying to figure out peoples alignments and figure out motivations through his postings. hes really towny and has a filter that shows that hes trying to solve the game. Eden has shown an interesting amount of play this game. Eden has been involved in almost everything that has been going on in the thread besides a few quick breaks and catching up. Also has shown to re-evaluate the game as the game has went along and has obviously been paying close attention and showing the thread his thought process. The questions that he asks and the pressure that he tries to apply to people look towny to me and the anger (which he is obviously trying to stop) looks like it is coming from town Eden. I am really sure that this is Eden also at times you can see a real lack of knowing what to do that I can see coming from town Eden, while at the same time pushing his own thoughts and feelings in the thread to try to get things done. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Now we come to the hard portion of the reads, I have Rsoultin, Breshke as town. Rsoultins filter was absolutely HORRIBLE to get through at this point (really shame on you rs for derailing the thread at point for hideous things to talk about *finger wagging*). But besides the derailing you can see how Rsoultin is going through the thread and trying to get people to post there thoughts to get more information from it, it feels more relaxed than any scum game I have currently seen Rsoultin play While it lacks a lot of amazing things to be frank it does have a clear consistant thread going through it that you can follow on who she scum reads and why. Breshke I started off as scum reading because of lack of activity at points and a real lack of effort pushing the game forward. However Breshke re-entered the thread after that and seamlessly changed my mind, he was involved in things he posted his own thoughts and pushed the thread forward. At points he challenged sl on the read and seemed to want to evaluate people based on what they were saying. The scum game that Breshke normally plays with is horrible, and I just don't think I can see Bresh as scum at this point in time. They are both solid town at this point. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Slam is probably scum in this situation sadly. My earlier read on slam was that he was trying to take the game more serious and that his attack on HF was indicative of a town slam trying to be different. This is true that slam can be serious and still be town, HOWEVER there was another tell that I use to distinguish between town slam and scum slam that I didn't want to reveal till I got to see more of what he does. Lazy slam+Serious slam=scum slam. Anytime slam is serious and active in the thread and doing things such as attacking HF or digging at people hes more likely town but as the game went along he fell off the face of the world and only showed up to complain about the thread and still did little to nothing to help the game progress only complaining that we lynched BM at this juncture. I think he has a good shot to be scum. The other solo voter at this point was VE. I think VE is actually town here. His vote when looked at without the strikes isn't actualy in context. He was trying to get what he thought was the scum vigilante killed and had to leave before deadline and the BM wagon taking off. Aside from that he has been decently proactive when he has been here and I do not get the scum sense from him reading his filter, his anger at BM getting lynched instead of one of the Vig seems genuine and he seems to actually be putting forward a real effort at this juncture. I think hes a good towny at this point after reading ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam LS is scum I think....This makes me sad writing this. He just seems so lazy and its really hard to see where hes at or where hes going with his reads at this juncture. He just feels forced and he just doesn't seem to be digging or doing homework on his meta... Palmar is town I think. His antics EoD were a little difficult to keep up with but he just seemed to not want to lynch Vivax and would of rathered lynch his scum read in Toad. Some of his early game stuff was a bit meh like his interaction with toad. But he has said some really towny things to me, his slight pressure on me during the course of the game was good I thought. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam I am probably going to regret this but i'm going to mark SL in as a towny at this point. His wanting to take vivax hostage to get me lynched to a point felt towny, he wanted his person lynched no matter what. His work after lynch when he was here was pretty godo and the questions and observations he made while catching up I felt came from a towny perspective. I have a good feeling that Sl is town at this juncture. Exo is a very likely scum in this situation. His actions after eod do not exactly make sense to me coming from a logical place. He just seems so angry that we left both claimed vigilantes alive when its just so much better to get the extra information. He seems to be unable to scum hunt currently because of this and is just harping on how bad everyone is instead of pointing out legitimate things that we need to focus on. As such if you look at his early game he had to be pressured to an extent to make any type of conclusion when it had been talked about before. His pressure on Eden looked kind of bad to me, he lacked follow up also on questions that were answered to him and he just let fall to the way side. He probably is the most likely mafia out of anyone at this juncture ________________________________________________________________________________________________ This leaves me in a world where I have two mafia or one depending on setup between Superbia, Trfel and Artanis. I am the most sure that Superbia is the scum in this group. His actions near eod are really interesting for instance he talks to Palmar at points like he is confirmed town to him. He keeps asking Palmar where his vote is going at one point and wants to follow him and complains when Palmar is wanting to switch back to toad. Really weird inconsistencies in the early play that myself and Eden pointed out (mostly Eden to give credit), Vivax also pointed out some really good things earlier. Really lackluster in scum hunting and backs off most things when confronted ie against Eden. Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Artanis had some rally interesting bad things in his filter in retrospect. Just sheeping onto my case when I posted it is a real head scratcher. Maybe it comes from being so sure and playing with Vivax so much and his filter is really big at the same time so i'm really torn and not sure what to make of Artanis. He did have some good interactions with myself (but he dropped the scum read really fast even though I had little follow up) and he had an ok interaction with VE when they were arguing. I'm still leaning town on Art currently but things bother me Trfel started off really bad in my mind. And the eod was so/so at points it felt like Trfel was just settling on things rather than digging, such as the vote on Vivax. It makes sense to some degree and I might be expecting to much in that regard but I think a total town trfel would look elsewhere and see what he could find. Also his mid game was really good I felt which was what initially changed my mind on him. His early game was pretty bad and lackluster, but his return to the thread after he couldn't sleep and the barrage of thoughts got me to come around on him. His later postings before EoD were not bad as well as you could keep track of his thought process. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wagon Formations. This was probably one of the hardest things I've had to look at. Vivax wagon came about when I pushed vivax and Art immediately jumped on followed quickly by LS. LS still had me as null at that moment in time I believe as he is usually really antsy about following me after I tricked him in titanic. But instead of questioning or looking for himself to try to see if I had a meta point he instantly sheeped soon as he saw it which makes it seem like he is the scum that initially started the piling up process. The claim by vivax I belive had him leading the lynch 5-3 over rayn. His wagon began to disintergrate at that point until toad counter claimed and people started piling up. This wagon was probably the one mafia most wanted to happen btw as it was so quickly piled on even as vivax started giving his last reads on. Toads wagon had Vivax, Palmar, Rayn and Ve being the main pushers to get him lynched. This wagon gained little traction as he was the CC and most people generally agreed that mafia would not cc there and go 1-1. BM was a last minute wagon formed by HF to give us more time to scum hunt and be able to get more information by using the Vig to shoot who we wanted to at that time.. It was a last second wagon with most of the people who wanted to lynch toad swinging over with some hold outs from lynching Rayn. Most of the people who could of hammered vivax were totally against his lynch so they would be unable and I feel like super could not risk taking the negative effects of hammering the vig so had to stay put. I still need to look on the earlier parts of the day and see how people were voting and what was being pushed. TLDR: Scum team: Slam, LS, Super, Exo Undecided: Trfel and Artanis blah blah blah really wordy much wow. Damdred bored at home. | ||
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On March 31 2015 07:42 Toadesstern wrote: Fuck all the shit I had prepared in here that you don't need, everything that matters: VERY unlikely to come from mafia if the entire plan was to see town in chaos d2 as we see a reapeat of d1 and lynch between Vivax/Toad. I think I'm stopping here. I wouldn't put him under as confirmed as the other ones but it seems likely that he's just confused / paranoid townie and thus makes no sense at times as he's all over the place with stuff that sometimes sounds really bad (content) while generally sounding townish to me (tonewise) as well as straight up playing against mafia agenda with his stance on there being 2 townvigs relatively early. The quote was still during n1 and they could have changed their strategy if mafia thought it's not a good idea at that point in time. I don't really think that exonerates Damdred. It's a lot easier for scum to connect the dots since they know it's two vigis rather than town. It always feels great to be correct. | ||
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On March 31 2015 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't really think that exonerates Damdred. It's a lot easier for scum to connect the dots since they know it's two vigis rather than town. It always feels great to be correct. it is easier to be correct as mafia than as town. But mafia does not go in the thread telling people there's 2 townvigs if the plan for d2 was to get one out of Vivax / Toad lynched or at least have the discussion heavily be on that. That just straight up does not happen. | ||
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Also please skim through my post asap and feedback whilst you still can since there's a good chance you're dying tonight. | ||
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