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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Do you think GB has shown a logical progression when it relates to me or do you think he's been contradicting himself constantly and flailing trying to come up with answers and random accusations? In fact, I'm feeling inspired...I'm goign to quote stuff for everyone because clearly you all have forgotten, or maybe don't care because his tunnel isn't on you | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote: Before I sleep a few of my thoughts. 1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes. This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument. GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance. Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact) ergo Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions. 2. GB self voting making him town This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it. The premise that: Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo) GB self voted. (fact/truth) ergo GB is town (assumption) The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption. Socrates is a man. (fact) Men are mortal. (fact) ergo Socrates is mortal. (fact) For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game. GB and Onegu are not confirmed town. Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing. I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl. Onegu >gb > toad I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread. Why the hell can't you make posts like this once a day. But the fact is you still haven't given a reason why I am scum. You give great reasons why I shouldn't be confirmed town. But I really still don't understand why you are voting me. It can't really be a sheep anymore as its only you on me. So I want your read why I am Scum, not why I am not confirmed town. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On January 29 2015 00:45 IAmRobik wrote: This is fucking wrong. I'm trying to get you to fucking lynch GB because GB is mafia. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I don't have many scum reads because I have a shitload of town reads. Eden, you, Palmar, VE, onegu. Some of these are based off of posts. Some of these are associative reads. I don't think there's any chance that GB flips town, but if that happens, I also have reads based off of that scenario. I don't want to bring them up because in the offchance that that's the case, I'm going to be alive after his flip anyway and I don't want people acting differently than they have been based off of me lumping them with/against GB. You have been calling me scummy all game now I'm in your town pile why? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:10 Palmar wrote: Kill toad Imma go through his filter now, plus your case and see how I feel about it now. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
##VOTE: Palmar I will not lose to this display. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote: Before I sleep a few of my thoughts. 1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes. This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument. GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance. Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact) ergo Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions. I have a criticism here. You are paying attention to the fact THAT Onegu did not vote GB and NOT WHY Onegu didn't vote GB. He made a point (the martyr incident) as to why he didn't and why he thought GB was doing the same thing. On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote: 2. GB self voting making him town This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it. The premise that: Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo) GB self voted. (fact/truth) ergo GB is town (assumption) The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption. Socrates is a man. (fact) Men are mortal. (fact) ergo Socrates is mortal. (fact) For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game. GB and Onegu are not confirmed town. Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing. I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl. Onegu >gb > toad I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread. We examined Onegu by content. So why aren't you? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: Ok no. Palmar do something. ##VOTE: Palmar I will not lose to this display. You misspelled toad | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote: Palmar stop. You're pushing all my fuck you alarms Palmar is really starting to piss me off as well. I don't like voting people out of spite, because I'm more interested in actually playing this game, but he is really beginning to piss me off. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
liancourt (3): Toadesstern (2): GlowingBear (1): Onegu (1): Palmar (1): IAmRobik (0): Eden1892 (0): Not voted (1): VisceraEyes With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch. A friendly reminder that this exists: Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 26 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote: GB's 2nd Mindnotes 1. IAmRobik + Show Spoiler + Robik entered the thread completely disinterested. He didn't try yet to do anything. I thought he could be busy and afk, then I asked a question to also see if he was here. Answer: he is, and he says he isn't reading the thread + Show Spoiler +. Well, why is he FOLLOWING the thread but not actually READING the thread to try to figure the game out? Leaning scum. Next, he votes me in a joking matter for calling him a bitch. On January 26 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote: Ooooooh you called me "bitch" %%Vote: Robik Only to leave a few meaningless posts later, come back the next day and instantly vote me for not having a long filter. This is problem 1. He had just finished playing a game with me where I had a really short filter d1. I was town. I was busy. Clearly he should realize that it's not alignment indicative of me. And regardless, by the end of that d1 I still have like a 5-6 page filter. He then continues to mock me with this post: On January 26 2015 23:12 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, if Robik is mafia, we kill a mafia If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway win/win This is the argument of a spiteful lil bitch. More spiteful bitchery: On January 27 2015 00:08 GlowingBear wrote: Because it's Robik. Getting rid of him is always a win He then starts jumping on HTS for giving a read that GB's vote was spiteful and mine was town trolling. IT WAS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR ANYONE INVOLVED THAT MY VOTE ON HTS WAS TROLLING REGARDING THE HF SITUATION. I EVEN WROTE "JE SUIS HF." He has nothing to go on and is really fucking stretching to call me scum here: On January 27 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote: A question here: why my vote was scummy and Robik's probably town trolling? How can you still say everybody was leaning town when you had suspicions on me? How can you suddenly think I'm mafia for that? You've played once with me and you are trying to push meta reads. You're analysing last games of mine. Yet you disregard Robik's meta saying that "you haven't played with him yet". Well, you could do what you're doing with me now. Why the double standards? And subtly trying to push scum on HTS for thinking I'm town as well. This progression is something he's done all game. It's really fucking scummy. He is openly avoiding situations where he has to give reads on people because he's facing a lot of pressure and doesn't know how to respond on the spot. He possibly is deciding whether or not to go into anti-spew mode or what, but I think a lot of people have already been spewwed with his actions and their actions towards him: On January 27 2015 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm home. On January 27 2015 11:16 GlowingBear wrote: Never mind I'm too tired to read things, gone sleep. Someone online wants me to address to something before that? Again, this is just one example of a multitude of times where he has come into the thread FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THAT HE'S NOT AFKING. Note, this is different from what you do HTS. When you say you're leaving or are going afk or wahtever the case may be, you provide some game relevant information. Notice how this is NOT what GB is doing. Then there's this post: [B]On January 27 2015 21:46 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote Robik is town. That reaction is genuine. Calm down, Robik. You take what I say too seriously. He's finally "come around" to me being town. I think he has 3 votes on him at this point. He has finally succumb to the fact that I am being universally town read and that I am no longer a possible mislynch. He either gave up because of that or because he now has to try to win my favor so that I don't vote him. It's probably the latter given that AS SOON AS PRESSURE IS OFF OF HIM, HE IS BACK ON THE "LYNCH ROBIK" TRAIN. I will continue this later, but I'm just so fucking mad that I just wasted 20 minutes reading through his posts and explaining the some simple fucking concepts to people who should know fucking better. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:09 Onegu wrote: You have been calling me scummy all game now I'm in your town pile why? Cause GB pushed on you pretty hard to start the game and made it clear that he wanted you lynched. Simultaneously, you TR'd GB. If mafia's plan is to distance themselves, then you should be pushing back on him. Also, if you're mafia and he's town, you don't really have a reason to defend him from a mislynch when he already has 3 votes on him, but I guess you could always do that based off of TMI and wanting to defend a townie for cred. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 28 2015 01:43 GlowingBear wrote: Yes you are palmar. You would never jump this easily on a guy who is voting himself knowing that there are only 2 scums in the game and survivability is crucial, SPECIALLY when it's instant majority. Too risky move for a mafia to do in instant majority. You know that. READ THIS FUCKING POST. READ IT READ IT SOME MORE OH WAIT, YOU READ IT? I DON'T FUCKING CARE. READ IT AGAIN. THIS IS HIS EXPLANATION FOR WHY PALMAR IS SCUM. "I WOULD NEVER SELF-VOTE AS SCUM AND PALMAR SHOULD KNOW THAT, [EVEN THOUGH PALMAR HAS SAID THAT 3/4 OF THE REASON HE'S VOTING GB IS FOR MARTYRING]" DAFUQ ARE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS EVEN DOING THIS GAME? HOW IS THIS GUY NOT MAJ'D YET?!?!??!?! | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:01 IAmRobik wrote: HTS, Do you think GB has shown a logical progression when it relates to me or do you think he's been contradicting himself constantly and flailing trying to come up with answers and random accusations? To be quite honest, he's been disjointed in going on you but both of you are going after each other, so I'd need both of you to come up with something more substantial in gameplay aside from going OMGUS on each other. GB, to his credit has explained his play and why he's gripping between Palmar and Toad based on the play. Meta arguments generally hold no water on me. I have had only one game played with GB and zero with you. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:39 Half the Sky wrote: To be quite honest, he's been disjointed in going on you but both of you are going after each other, so I'd need both of you to come up with something more substantial in gameplay aside from going OMGUS on each other. GB, to his credit has explained his play and why he's gripping between Palmar and Toad based on the play. Meta arguments generally hold no water on me. I have had only one game played with GB and zero with you. BEING DISJOINTED AND ILLOGICAL IS NOT A META ARGUMENT. IT'S A SIGN OF MAFIA. YOU NEED TO STOP USING THE WORD META BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IT MEANS | ||
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