• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:32
CET 01:32
KST 09:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview10Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)38
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 KSL Week 85 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open!
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Hager werken embalming powder+27 81 711 1572
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1606 users

[M][N]Hammertime Mafia - Page 64

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 81 Next
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 20:40 GMT
#1261
On January 29 2015 05:34 Half the Sky wrote:
I was however, unsatisfied with Lian's latest post. A bunch of theoreticals without evaluating content in the game. I can see why someone might think it's a good post because Lian is telling us to evalute X and Y on different types of criteria, but I'm pretty sure Eden at least was trying to examine the possibility of Onegu being scum or not being scum based on the decision to hammer or not hammer GB at least 10 pages prior to him posting that and when he couldn't, VE was questioning the validity of Onegu's post for at least a while.

GB and Onegu ALREADY have been getting evaluated on other criteria aside from the potential hammer incident. So, unless I'm reading it wrong, this is why Lian's latest post strikes me as him saying something just to say something. It's already been touched on, although not directly.

Thank you. I have no idea why people who weren't reading him town before thought his last post made him town. He elaborated a little bit on things he had already said, but it still didn't go into enough detail to advance the discussion. It's the same argument that I engaged 2 days ago where he just about says "you can't use heuristics because they're assumptions which can be wrong."

And I'm not saying it was a suspicious post per se, just that it was more of the same, and that it's weird to me that people felt differently about it compared to his previous posts.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 20:42 GMT
#1262
As for what we're doing, I owe Robik. I respect his skills enough to go give his case on GB a read. Maybe we can go there and see what happens.

I'm still ultimately okay with lynching liancourt. And I don't think Palmar and Toad can be mafia together, and I'm not really satisfied with Toad's post either, for reasons I'll get back to digging into later.

Palmar have you reposted your Toad case in the last few hours? I'll go read that too.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 20:43 GMT
#1263
Eden, since you appear to be in thread, what do you think of Robik's positioning of GB?

He's hyper-focused on GB, but GB hasn't been all contributory aside from the exchange with Palmar. Robik also contends GB's read on him is not particularly progressive/not able to be followed easily.

My issue is that GB is pushing Robik when he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting lynched.

GB is not priority one for me but it makes me wonder.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 20:44 GMT
#1264
Ah, you ninjaed me. Great minds think alike.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 20:44 GMT
#1265
Lookin now qtpi bbs
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 20:51 GMT
#1266
Robik bro, please disable your caps lock button for all time. I'm not saying that just to shit on you either. This is a great post that I literally completely ignored in your filter because I was scrolling through it on my phone earlier and saw capslock every time I read and just got irritated by the yelling and stopped reading.

Robik has a pretty good argument for GB's read on him being fabricated. It kinda reminds me of my argument on liancourt initially except it's a better example.

I still kinda like Toad as a lynch, so I want to finish reading things related to him before I put a vote down since we're close to the consolidation phase. But I'm thinking my vote will end up on GB now.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 20:53 GMT
#1267
Never mind, the word toad shows up in Palmar's filter literally 99 times as of this post. I'm not ctrl-f through that shit. Fuck you Palmar.

##VOTE: GlowingBear
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 28 2015 20:58 GMT
#1268
Untouchable Votecount

liancourt (3): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892, VisceraEyes, Eden1892, Half the Sky, Toadesstern, Half the Sky
Toadesstern (2): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar, Palmar, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Palmar, Toadesstern, VisceraEyes, Eden1892
Onegu (1): Eden1892, liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear, Eden1892, Half the Sky
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar, GlowingBear
Eden1892 (0): liancourt

Not voted (1): VisceraEyes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 21:15 GMT
#1269
2h15m...well I hope people didn't AFK vote.

I'm going to be in here until EoD, ocassionally in and out of thread.

Really wish more people were here for consolidation, though it is still early for the Americans. Damn.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:20 GMT
#1270
On January 29 2015 05:58 Trfel wrote:
Untouchable Votecount

liancourt (3): Toadesstern, Onegu, Eden1892, VisceraEyes, Eden1892, Half the Sky, Toadesstern, Half the Sky
Toadesstern (2): GlowingBear, liancourt, Palmar, Palmar, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (2): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Palmar, Toadesstern, VisceraEyes, Eden1892
Onegu (1): Eden1892, liancourt
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, Eden1892, GlowingBear, Eden1892, Half the Sky
IAmRobik (0): GlowingBear, Palmar, GlowingBear
Eden1892 (0): liancourt

Not voted (1): VisceraEyes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch.

Bolded red = People I'm okay lynching today.
Bolded without color = People who aren't in my town pile and who merit further observation.
Bolded green = People I'm not okay lynching.
Bolded blue = 100% town to me.

I'm going to post this so I can see the colors because I'm a visual learner.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 21:21 GMT
#1271
On January 29 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik has a pretty good argument for GB's read on him being fabricated. It kinda reminds me of my argument on liancourt initially except it's a better example.

I still kinda like Toad as a lynch, so I want to finish reading things related to him before I put a vote down since we're close to the consolidation phase. But I'm thinking my vote will end up on GB now.


Well we were asking GB for an explanation of his play for how long? I think that was the post that made people (myself included) reconsider his lynch. Could it have been contrived? I know you have him props for it, so...

Which Robik said we were all mistaken for.

I'm going to read that exchange again.

I hope Lian also shows up soon.

A lot of us have similar lynch lists, but if this day ends in a no-lynch I'm not going to be happy.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:29 GMT
#1272
First thought is that it bothers me that one of the people I'm cool with lynching is literally only being voted for by either other people I'm cool with lynching or people I'm not sure about.

Second thought is that it bothers me that I'm this far into d1 and only have 2 townreads outside of myself.

Third thought is that the guy who's off doing his own thing is usually mafia.

Lemme try to put this together. If the heuristic I just cited is accurate here then liancourt is mafia. Toad's vote was forced due to self-defense even if he didn't acknowledge it at the time, so liancourt flipping mafia doesn't invalidate Toad being mafia. If liancourt is mafia then I think Onegu has to be town for pushing it so hard for so long.

Meh this didn't actually go anywhere cool. Sigh.

GB kinda counts as doing his own thing by tunneling Robik for dumb reasons and not really trying to convince people to lynch him right?

Think I'm gonna stick with the Bear on this one. Bear and lian are the best lynches today from what I can see, and if nothing else it'll force Robik to focus his energies on other people and help me solve this game. Plus I'm not dealing with another 4 days of him sulking and raging at me for not lynching Bear today.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:30 GMT
#1273
Palmar, I really don't think Toad is the lynch today. Will you please move off of him and onto GB?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:32 GMT
#1274
HTS, we'll consolidate, don't worry.

Not sure what to make of that trap at this point tbh. Like my gut says that it's just not something mafia does, but my brain says there's nothing stopping them from doing it, and I think Robik has a really good point about the (non-)progression of GB's read on Robik specifically and his reads in general.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 21:33 GMT
#1275
Palmar and myself would make 4. But even if Palmar is town, he's even more tunnelled on Toad than I was on GB.

Liancourt, who I am certain is scum, had GB as #2 on his lynch list....but his vote is parked on Onegu atm.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:34 GMT
#1276
Actually you should stay on liancourt for now, just be ready to maybe move before EOD.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:34 GMT
#1277
Mainly cause I don't want you and Palmar flipping to make 4 on GB and then liancourt showing up and yolovoting GB
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 21:35 GMT
#1278
On January 29 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Not sure what to make of that trap at this point tbh. Like my gut says that it's just not something mafia does, but my brain says there's nothing stopping them from doing it, and I think Robik has a really good point about the (non-)progression of GB's read on Robik specifically and his reads in general.


I'm not disputing you. At first glance, it just seems WIFOM when you consider both Palmar and GB were both saying their explanations were traps, with GB claiming to trap Palmar, and Palmar claiming to trap Toad.

I've never laid a trap like that in a majority instant lynch game. So I'm not sure what to make of it, or even if I should.

Because if you take that out, you still have my case, you still have Robik's arguments and you still have GB's relative lurkiness, you still have VE's argument on the dropping of the note dumps or however he put it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2015 21:36 GMT
#1279
I almost want to make Palmar really mad by trying to yolowagon VisceraEyes. Nothing pisses off Palmar and puts him in tryhard solve-the-game mode like lynching his top town d1, and I've gotten this vague feeling that he's mafia for a while now.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 21:36 GMT
#1280
On January 29 2015 06:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Mainly cause I don't want you and Palmar flipping to make 4 on GB and then liancourt showing up and yolovoting GB


Yea, this is what is an issue, with GB being #2 on his lynch list.

VE also has yet to vote. If VE hammers it's a different story.

I'll stay on Lian.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 66 81 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:40
Best Games of SC
Reynor vs Krystianer
herO vs Rogue
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Solar
PiGStarcraft527
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft507
ProTech154
UpATreeSC 118
JuggernautJason106
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 346
NaDa 22
Dota 2
Pyrionflax182
League of Legends
C9.Mang0191
Counter-Strike
taco 443
minikerr4
Other Games
gofns18732
tarik_tv11023
FrodaN5429
summit1g5385
mouzStarbuck705
shahzam431
KnowMe256
ViBE81
Livibee44
Liquid`Ken10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick913
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 40
• davetesta15
• mYiSmile12
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21252
League of Legends
• Doublelift5655
Other Games
• imaqtpie1446
• WagamamaTV300
• Shiphtur198
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
2h 28m
HomeStory Cup
11h 28m
Replay Cast
23h 28m
HomeStory Cup
1d 12h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W6
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
HSC XXVIII
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.