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liancourt
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote: Before I sleep a few of my thoughts. 1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes. This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument. GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance. Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact) ergo Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions. 2. GB self voting making him town This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it. The premise that: Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo) GB self voted. (fact/truth) ergo GB is town (assumption) The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption. Socrates is a man. (fact) Men are mortal. (fact) ergo Socrates is mortal. (fact) For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game. GB and Onegu are not confirmed town. Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing. I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl. Onegu >gb > toad I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread. This is the best post I have read on TL mafia. Ever. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:47 Palmar wrote: This is the best post I have read on TL mafia. Ever. I'm not in total disagreement... | ||
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liancourt
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Well you read my posts, so there's that. They're all pretty great too. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:48 liancourt wrote: does this mean i can't sleep? ##Unvote Sleep soundly young prince. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:23 IAmRobik wrote: HTS, Once you're done doing whatever it is that you're doing, please explain why I'm mafia for only having a scumread on GB and no one else but Palmar is town for having a scumread on toad and no one else. This is not to say I think Palmar is scum. This is to say that your logic is flawed and maybe I need to be more concerned about where your allegiances lie this game Palmar presented a case (and has since been further supported by other subsequent points, like the vote, lack of pushes, etc) on Toad. Maybe it's your style I don't know. I triple checked your filter, and I see posts like what you have on page 1-2 of your filter: You don't appear to be explaining why he's mafia. I made a case based on stuff GB said, but I am trying to see your reasoning for voting him. How do I know you aren't potential scum trying to take advantage of a town-driven case? I have to question that. On January 27 2015 01:59 IAmRobik wrote: Dude look at fantasy football mafia 2 and to mafia lxviii. And compare GB's posts in those games he's town. you're fuckign wrong. Look at the formatting of his posts. It's all disjointed, like a bunch of separate sentences even though they're about the same thing.[/QUOTE] I mean I think you need stronger points than this. On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting. Robik starts posting GB: Robik is scum because: meta Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched? I see this quote and my first reaction is to say....uh, counterargument, please? Then I see stuff from you like "free town reads" for people voting GB. I feel the difference between Palmar and you is that at least Palmar has shown at least a shred of critical thinking. He has explained his pushes and his justifications for doing things. I don't think you have. Not yet. Some general points about being AFK, etc, but I mean, I've been doing that a lot too, and so have some others. Am I making sense now? And to be fair, I am keeping an eye on GB, given my latest post. I still didn't like his notes, and he's definitely not as towny to me as say Eden. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote: Palmar presented a case (and has since been further supported by other subsequent points, like the vote, lack of pushes, etc) on Toad. Maybe it's your style I don't know. I triple checked your filter, and I see posts like what you have on page 1-2 of your filter: You don't appear to be explaining why he's mafia. I made a case based on stuff GB said, but I am trying to see your reasoning for voting him. How do I know you aren't potential scum trying to take advantage of a town-driven case? I have to question that. you're fuckign wrong. Look at the formatting of his posts. It's all disjointed, like a bunch of separate sentences even though they're about the same thing. I mean I think you need stronger points than this. On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting. Robik starts posting GB: Robik is scum because: meta Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched? I see this quote and my first reaction is to say....uh, counterargument, please? Then I see stuff from you like "free town reads" for people voting GB. I feel the difference between Palmar and you is that at least Palmar has shown at least a shred of critical thinking. He has explained his pushes and his justifications for doing things. I don't think you have. Not yet. Some general points about being AFK, etc, but I mean, I've been doing that a lot too, and so have some others. Am I making sense now? And to be fair, I am keeping an eye on GB, given my latest post. I still didn't like his notes, and he's definitely not as towny to me as say VisceraEyes. [/QUOTE] | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: You have enough time to follow vote counts and make posts like that, but you don't have time to reply to something that's actually important and meaningful and pertinent to finding mafia? Multiple tabs, Robik, and yes, now I have just finished my long post in response to you. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:53 Palmar wrote: Do you still think I'm fictional VE? I think I like you better when you incorrectly call me mafia, if you can believe that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I like you better when you incorrectly call me mafia, if you can believe that. kill toad? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
liancourt (3): Toadesstern (3): GlowingBear (1): Onegu (1): IAmRobik (0): Palmar (0): Eden1892 (0): Not voted (1): VisceraEyes With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:53 IAmRobik wrote: Stupidity is a poor excuse for not understanding the logic I laid out. It's REALLY fucking simple. I may be the least experienced player in this game's lineup, but I am trying. And I'm looking at GB from multiple angles. I want to hear his responses on why he's tunnelling you this late in the day....looks like we have less time to EoD than expected. GB isn't pulling a DoctorHelvetica where he has 15 pages on his target D1 (reference Imperial), so....I'd like to know what is going on there. | ||
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