EPTRobik I'm not ignoring you btw. Multitasking between here and work, though I'm leaving the office soon again. And upcoming co-hosting duties as well.
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Robik I'm not ignoring you btw. Multitasking between here and work, though I'm leaving the office soon again. And upcoming co-hosting duties as well. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 29 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote: Please vote Robik. HTS, final thoughts are: they are at least trying. Robik isn't. Why Robik over Toad and Lian? Most sentiment is on one or both these two. We are approx 10h from EoD. Town sentiment should be to consolidate. Do you have reasons NOT to scumread these two that I missed? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
But him reading you to exclusion IS something. Especially given, as HTS said, that town sentiment is VASTLY in favor of Toad/lian and has been for a while I think. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Once you're done doing whatever it is that you're doing, please explain why I'm mafia for only having a scumread on GB and no one else but Palmar is town for having a scumread on toad and no one else. This is not to say I think Palmar is scum. This is to say that your logic is flawed and maybe I need to be more concerned about where your allegiances lie this game | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Like Robik, I don't know about "lies", I can maybe see a town GB like....making a play or whatever to try and read you. And while I agree that at first it certainly doesn't SEEM like a reaction test, it could be argued that THAT is the POINT of a reaction test. But him reading you to exclusion IS something. Especially given, as HTS said, that town sentiment is VASTLY in favor of Toad/lian and has been for a while I think. The "play" wasn't even to read me. The "play" had to do with Palmar voting him. I have even had thoughts about GB / Palmar being maf/maf and making that stupid shithouse "play" and then explain it away. But then I realized that was prolly dumb and wrong. Anyway, he straight up lied. He said that I was mafia. He never said I wasn't mafia or that he was calling me mafia to get a reaction. He said I was mafia for points a, b and c. Then he changed it to say I was mafia for something completely different. Then he retracted without saying that he was doing it to reaction test me. Now he's claiming it was all a joke but I'm still mafia. PLEASE SHOW ME HOW ANY OF THAT IS A LOGICAL, TOWNY PROGRESSION. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
He still hasn't really explained his read at all other than "toad waffles on GB" which I do every game no matter of alignment and he knows that. We've played mafia together for... 3 years? Eden's questions about me are too long for me to go through when I have to leave right now but it makes somewhat sense from his PoV if he doesn't know me, even if you could answer every single question in there if you had looked at my previous games (like the fact that I HAAATE talking about townreads and explaining them with a passion to answer one of the questions) and at least he's explaining it. So don't take that as a bad thing. HTS I still feel comfortable in being town VE I'm not as sure about anymore. It could be he's mafia defending me to get towncred after I flip but that could just be me paranoid. If I try to forget that I'd still say more on the townish side Robik is prolly somewhat townish GB is back to null for me. I still feel like mafia would have hammered that if he was town but could be that noone was around. Onegu I felt better about lately. Wouldn't be my #1 priority anymore. Probably behind a lian lynch and Palmar (spite-) lynch (Palmar could totally be Mafia though, like I said he knows me for 3 years. He's way better than what he's showing here) liancourt seems to be the guy to go for imo with that being said I put my vote on lian for now and most likely for today even if I come back and day isn't over yet ##vote liancourt And wow, this is actually the first time I ever get lynched as town (in 3 years?) without ragequitting or being modkilled for making a mistake. Good job Palmar | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Assume with me for a moment that I'm voting with you. That's you and me on GB. There are still 3 people on Toad and 2 people on liancourt (I think?) If we're unable to sway anyone else, who are you going to vote for consolidation, if anyone? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:33 Palmar wrote: kill toad. Yes, who's a good boy? That's right! Palmar is a GOOD boy! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:34 VisceraEyes wrote: To set the record straight, I'm pretty sure I haven't defended you anywhere Toad. Simply asked Palmar to further elaborate on his read of you. I'm very close to voting for you myself, because I'm not used to you playing a game without screaming about how X or Y is mafia...regardless of your alignment. I used to play nonstop. The rage of having to deal with people didn't disappear 100% by the end of every game, so that stacked up. That's what you get after not playing for a year and thus being 100% ragefree! That being said I'm gone now. I'd be willing to vote for Lian/GB mostly if I'm still alive when being back. If it's between me and someone else I'll vote whatever you want me to vote though  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:34 VisceraEyes wrote: To set the record straight, I'm pretty sure I haven't defended you anywhere Toad. Simply asked Palmar to further elaborate on his read of you. I'm very close to voting for you myself, because I'm not used to you playing a game without screaming about how X or Y is mafia...regardless of your alignment. lian over toad | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
liancourt (4): Toadesstern (3): GlowingBear (1): Onegu (1): IAmRobik (0): Palmar (0): Eden1892 (0): Not voted (0): With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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liancourt
1563 Posts
1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes. This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument. GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance. Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact) ergo Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions. 2. GB self voting making him town This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it. The premise that: Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo) GB self voted. (fact/truth) ergo GB is town (assumption) The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption. Socrates is a man. (fact) Men are mortal. (fact) ergo Socrates is mortal. (fact) For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game. GB and Onegu are not confirmed town. Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing. I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl. Onegu >gb > toad I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread. | ||
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