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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:31 GMT
#1141
Well shit, I can't count. I thought Toad had three already.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 28 2015 13:31 GMT
#1142
On January 28 2015 22:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar, if you're in thread, can you answer one last question I had?

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town

So this leaves:

GB
lian
Toad
Onegu

But then again I'm bad and idk.

The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?

I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just not reading a lot from the thread yet. Sometimes I get a random page and see what's going on. That's all.

You're calling me mafia for things that doesn't make me mafia. You're too tunnelled.

who is mafia.

Clearly, by this post, you don't think HTS is mafia, as do you think robik is. Me and my bro VE are town, and in your world you must be town.

So that leaves

Toad
liancourt
eden
onegu

two of which were your original townreads.

lian/toad

so that leaves Eden and Onegu as the mafia team.

Eden isn't mafia, so.... onegu is mafia?


I'm still a tad confused on what you were trying to do with GB. Were you scumreading him at all when you looked into this?

And if you were how did a scumread become a policy vote?


Yes, the latter post was to demonstrate that he had sort of painted himself into a corner regarding scumreads.

I'd like to point out here that GB has flipped again on robik.

And policy and scumreads aren't mutually exclusive. If you break a policy and I want to policy kill you, that doesn't change how I feel about the guy from an analytical standpoint.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 28 2015 13:32 GMT
#1143
On January 28 2015 22:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bah, mine were commands too.

Whatever...either explain your Toad read or look at Onegu for me. Otherwise you might have to convince a mafia to replace me on your lynch preference.

kill toad
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:39 GMT
#1144
VE, by itself it might be weak but there are a few more things.

The other problem I'm having is he's not particularly pushing anyon aside from listing scumreads. At least not that I can recall.

Also I knew there was another suspicious exchange...here it is.

[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:53 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?[/QUOTE]
I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.[/QUOTE]
So what?

I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:56 Toadesstern wrote:
besides... I don't think I should talk about this stuff. I think I made my point clear: I'd prefer one of the other 2 for today. If GB happens to be the lynch I'm fine with lynching him too[/QUOTE]

I don't like these quotes. Because to me, they sound like a scum who doesn't want to be held accountable for something he said if he were to backtrack, etc.

What do you think?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:40 GMT
#1145
Damn quote boxes. Let's try again.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:40 GMT
#1146
VE, by itself it might be weak but there are a few more things.

The other problem I'm having is he's not particularly pushing anyon aside from listing scumreads. At least not that I can recall.

Also I knew there was another suspicious exchange...here it is.

On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?

I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.

So what?

I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.


On January 27 2015 19:56 Toadesstern wrote:
besides... I don't think I should talk about this stuff. I think I made my point clear: I'd prefer one of the other 2 for today. If GB happens to be the lynch I'm fine with lynching him too


I don't like these quotes. Because to me, they sound like a scum who doesn't want to be held accountable for something he said if he were to backtrack, etc.

What do you think?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:43 GMT
#1147
On January 28 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:
And policy and scumreads aren't mutually exclusive. If you break a policy and I want to policy kill you, that doesn't change how I feel about the guy from an analytical standpoint.


Fair enough. It wasn't clear. The way you were posting struck me if it was straight up policy.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:51 GMT
#1148
Also VE, the final (I think) piece of evidence against Toad was the manner in which he voted GB to bring him to four votes. If I recall right, Palmar was already on GB as #3 (after GB retracted) and Toad threw on for #4.

Then Palmar unvoted. VE you had voted him as #4 then.

On January 28 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
whatever... Palmar apparently went crazy and a bunch of people too. Lynch down the list:
Ongegu
Lian
GB
and we win.

##vote GlowingBear


So Onegu was his top per his list and sensing an opportunity he votes GB. That was another problem pointed out.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:53 GMT
#1149
I think on aggregate, the evidence IS there for Toad. So I think we just need consensus on Toad and Lian.

GB, your final thoughts on these two? I agree we shouldn't lynch Robik...but I'd still pick Lian over Robik anytime.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#1150
Hmmm.

On the one hand I can see that I guess. Toad hasn't been jumping up and down about anyone, which is pretty much a Toad staple to me.

On the other hand I don't want to give Palmar the satisfaction of getting his lynch by saying only "Lynch Toad" repeatedly.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 28 2015 14:40 GMT
#1151
So you think he's with Lian then?

By association. :/

HTS I'd like YOU to look at Onegu's filter, paying special attention to the progression of his read on liancourt.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 28 2015 15:07 GMT
#1152
On January 28 2015 17:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!!

Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con.

robik I still need this explained. How was GB self-voting against mafia win con?

For the same way it's against town win-con. You can claim it's "strategy" all you want, but it's playing against one's win condition. One less vote. One less person influencing town sentiment. I don't see why this is a hard concept to grasp?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 15:10 GMT
#1153
On January 28 2015 23:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
So you think he's with Lian then?

By association. :/

HTS I'd like YOU to look at Onegu's filter, paying special attention to the progression of his read on liancourt.


I have explored the idea already by looking at their interactions. As I said before I don't like associative reads until they have flipped.

My justification is that a lot of people here are looking at least either one of Lian or Toad, if not both. So I am questioning in advance (given the silent night phase) whether that makes sense. Eden has also said he's throwing it around.

Will take a look on Onegu's filter though.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 28 2015 15:13 GMT
#1154
On January 28 2015 18:20 Eden1892 wrote:
ROBIK AND PALMAR

Thoughts on liancourt?

Who cares? You're driving away discussion from GB who is my top scum. Beyond him being my top scum, there are many associative reads that I have based off a GB flip that I don't want to elaborate one pre-flip and it's pissing me off. The game becomes exponentially easier to solve with knowledge of GB's alignment.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 28 2015 15:15 GMT
#1155
As of this moment Cephiro has been hired as an additional cohost.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 15:25 GMT
#1156
On January 29 2015 00:13 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 18:20 Eden1892 wrote:
ROBIK AND PALMAR

Thoughts on liancourt?

Who cares? You're driving away discussion from GB who is my top scum. Beyond him being my top scum, there are many associative reads that I have based off a GB flip that I don't want to elaborate one pre-flip and it's pissing me off. The game becomes exponentially easier to solve with knowledge of GB's alignment.


Robik, your last posts indicate to me you had not caught up on the thread (when I was asleep).

Have you even looked at GB's latest exchange with Palmar? Do you have any thoughts or conclusions on it? Specifically where he talks about the voting sequence on him and his plays?

Does that give to you a town or scum impression?

If you're town, you'd be further substantiating your push using his latest information or you would be moving on to another scumread.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 28 2015 15:29 GMT
#1157
On January 28 2015 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmm.

On the one hand I can see that I guess. Toad hasn't been jumping up and down about anyone, which is pretty much a Toad staple to me.

On the other hand I don't want to give Palmar the satisfaction of getting his lynch by saying only "Lynch Toad" repeatedly.

I'm saying "kill toad"

Much difference.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 28 2015 15:30 GMT
#1158
which reminds me

Kill toad
Computer says mafia
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 15:32 GMT
#1159
Palmar, are you back in troll mode again?

Do you have a second scumread? (unless I missed it)

There are two scum in this game, you know.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 15:33 GMT
#1160
I'm not objecting to you voting Toad btw.

I just don't think you're being productive spamming "kill Toad".
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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