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On January 19 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:
A meta case on Breshke at this point isn't that good IMO. There is no much meta to do on day1, and there is no much meta to do regarding a newbie.
All we have is this idea that he lurks more as scum than as town. But he could be inactive because of RL stuff. I'd rather wait more days if that's the only reason to lynch Breshke today.
I would vote SCUMMY lurkers, and I have yet to figure out Breshke's most possible alignment ATM Alright then who you want to lynch now and why?
I need damdreds answer first.
I'm Also yet to re read the thread because a lot went on and I didn't follow it through.
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On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff?
Other thoughts, well.
LightningStrike looks town by meta.
DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games.
Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait.
rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.
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On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.
How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective? Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some. It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in Trfel's meta-reads: Show nested quote +rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
Show nested quote +Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. Show nested quote +At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow?
None of those really give a read (X is scum/town) based on meta, they're simply statements on whether he thinks the playstyle is similar, but I see your point, in a way they are reads since they are implying something about the alignment.
You claim "it's not about the policy vote" but in the message I quoted you very clearly said:
Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective.
If you want to claim that somehow makes him scummy then you really need to explain how it makes more sense from scum perspective.
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On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.
Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^
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On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.
How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective? Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some. It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in Trfel's meta-reads: rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow? WarWaffle, if we can't lynch Trfel today, do you still prefer GB? Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again. Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now.
If you think GlowingBear has better chance of flipping scum than Trfel then why would you not move your vote?
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On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^
Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.
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On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^ Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.
Right, it's far less strongly implicating him as scum now that I understood correctly, although I still don't like the way he went from "LightningStrike town" to "wouldn't call him town anymore" without any real explanation on what caused the shift.
For now,
##Unvote
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On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^
EBWOP:
Also, can you please explain to me what part of my case on Trfel you thought was good? The going sentiment among the vets was it was shit, so...
(I personally still think it was decent, but with so many people calling it bad xP Have to wonder why you like it.)
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On January 19 2015 03:18 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^ Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink. Right, it's far less strongly implicating him as scum now that I understood correctly, although I still don't like the way he went from "LightningStrike town" to "wouldn't call him town anymore" without any real explanation on what caused the shift. For now, ##Unvote
Yeah, that would be the part that made me :/ at it, too, but I think it was at the same time that DP was talking about an LS lynch if I remember correctly.
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On January 19 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^ EBWOP: Also, can you please explain to me what part of my case on Trfel you thought was good? The going sentiment among the vets was it was shit, so... (I personally still think it was decent, but with so many people calling it bad xP Have to wonder why you like it.)
I find myself agreeing that the way he suddenly backed out from a policy lynch he had strongly defended up to that point is suspicious. I think it's more likely to come from scum who's scared about all the attention the policy push is getting.
I also don't like the way he implies "weird" means "scum".
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rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice?
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On January 19 2015 03:11 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.
How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective? Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some. It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in Trfel's meta-reads: rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow? None of those really give a read (X is scum/town) based on meta, they're simply statements on whether he thinks the playstyle is similar, but I see your point, in a way they are reads since they are implying something about the alignment. You claim "it's not about the policy vote" but in the message I quoted you very clearly said: Show nested quote +
Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective.
If you want to claim that somehow makes him scummy then you really need to explain how it makes more sense from scum perspective.
Your selective quoting has not gone unnoticed. "It's not about the policy vote" and "It's not just about the policy vote" are two very different answers. As for why I have my vote still on Trfel: I can change it any time I want. I have not been secretive or closed about my opinions, and I feel that putting pressure on both Trfel and GB is a perfectly valid reason.
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On January 19 2015 03:22 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff? Other thoughts, well. LightningStrike looks town by meta. DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games. Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait. rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh. Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^ EBWOP: Also, can you please explain to me what part of my case on Trfel you thought was good? The going sentiment among the vets was it was shit, so... (I personally still think it was decent, but with so many people calling it bad xP Have to wonder why you like it.) I find myself agreeing that the way he suddenly backed out from a policy lynch he had strongly defended up to that point is suspicious. I think it's more likely to come from scum who's scared about all the attention the policy push is getting. I also don't like the way he implies "weird" means "scum".
I can see making a post like that to generate discussion, and if in fact that was his intention I can see trying to keep the discussion going rather than going meh nevermind as soon as he got heat. I'm not completely out to lunch. It definitely wasn't a genuine policy lynch, so he definitely wasn't being honest about his intentions, which does attract me like a heat-seeking missile -_-
To me he held onto it for a very long time, though, and why he didn't just say when he removed his vote that it was to generate discussion I can't fathom. The fact that GB brought that possibility up before Trfel himself did makes me wonder if Trfel didn't just say hey yeah that sounds good, that.
I'm more concerned with his lack of drive in this thread. The latter part of my case. I am trying to think about it from the perspective that I haven't seen Trfel's thoughts as they develop and that's why they're so blah...but if all he had was blah, the novel makes me twitch. I'm not seeing firm stances on anything. He could have written "reasons so and so could be town vs reasons so and so could be scum" and been just as effective.
Or ineffective as the case may be.
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On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote:
rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice?
I've looked at GB. I can see the complaints, but I think they've been overstated.
I've looked at you and my main issue was you didn't seem to care. Trying to help me find a viable lynch would go a long way to help change that opinion.
I won't vote for JarJar or LS today. I don't like a push on Shining, either, though I'm less certain on him. WW I think is probably town or he has a weirdly aggressive scum game lol.
Getting itchy feelings about Damdred...can't pin down why.
I want to hear Geript's poe. He told me that he looks for towns when he plays instead of scum, and lynches from what's left. I'm not sure that I'm seeing that this game, tbh.
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I guess that wasn't really an answer. I've been a bit tunneled on Trfel so I'm less sure about who I do want to lynch and more on just who I don't want to.
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Ok, damdred has been dodging me.
I'm lynching him.
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred
I'm waiting my lunch to be ready. Meanwhile, I'll catch up.
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On January 19 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote:
rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice? I've looked at GB. I can see the complaints, but I think they've been overstated. I've looked at you and my main issue was you didn't seem to care. Trying to help me find a viable lynch would go a long way to help change that opinion. I won't vote for JarJar or LS today. I don't like a push on Shining, either, though I'm less certain on him. WW I think is probably town or he has a weirdly aggressive scum game lol. Getting itchy feelings about Damdred...can't pin down why. I want to hear Geript's poe. He told me that he looks for towns when he plays instead of scum, and lynches from what's left. I'm not sure that I'm seeing that this game, tbh.
Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today.
Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons.
I need to reread Damdred and geript.
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On January 19 2015 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, damdred has been dodging me.
I'm lynching him.
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred
I'm waiting my lunch to be ready. Meanwhile, I'll catch up.
Not sure how I've dodged...
He'll I've answered everything posed to me
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On January 19 2015 03:45 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote:
rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice? I've looked at GB. I can see the complaints, but I think they've been overstated. I've looked at you and my main issue was you didn't seem to care. Trying to help me find a viable lynch would go a long way to help change that opinion. I won't vote for JarJar or LS today. I don't like a push on Shining, either, though I'm less certain on him. WW I think is probably town or he has a weirdly aggressive scum game lol. Getting itchy feelings about Damdred...can't pin down why. I want to hear Geript's poe. He told me that he looks for towns when he plays instead of scum, and lynches from what's left. I'm not sure that I'm seeing that this game, tbh. Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today. Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons. I need to reread Damdred and geript.
JarJar is mostly a tone read; he's my little brother. But if you want logical I haven't known this kid since he was in diapers reasons:
- He's not getting flustered by the heat he's taking.
- He's making an honest attempt to figure out the game (at least in my eyes) with making his pushes here and there while answering the questions directed at him, so he's not purely on the defensive.
- I kind of like what shining pointed out about a possible "slip", but I have to agree that if you're the scum team and know the layout you'd have to be pretty careless to let it slip in-thread like that.
- He's not good about fully explaining what he's saying. For instance, the mislynches comment regarding his being competitive. I went wtf at first to that, too, and I'll let him explain it just in case I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I understand what he meant by it on a second reading. This has happened several times throughout the game where it looks like he posts a conclusion without the connecting thoughts. I think that will come with time, and is just a product of him being new.
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Damdred is Mafia!!
Says he could lynch me, when scumreads on me were getting traction:
On January 18 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote:
I'm awake at work chilling and caught up.
Glad you read LS games, he's unlynchable for awhile at least. Meta stuff for him is like crack no matter how many times we say no bad he goes back time and again.
Not sure why be not reading your filter is that bad do, I just don't want to and can't make myself so a bit lazy.
Today I'd be open to lynching jarjar tr maybe GB but that's a bit doubtful.
But before that, a series of posts shows he had a slight townread on me, even one post after:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys; Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here. RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all. Null: LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you  . Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much Shining: where are you baby doll? Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think? Scum: TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way. General thoughts: I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet. GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point. I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along. Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote. On January 17 2015 23:48 Damdred wrote:
A reaction or pressure test is brining that up and voting instantly IE like GB did.
You say that you haven't analys'd Jarjar yet, but then why go after him and then one post later say I love this post and never mention him again? There seems to be a disconnect between what you say and what you ar edoing. On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
GB probably town for this.
tlcool is in the scum pile.
Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol.
LS is probable town.
JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over On January 19 2015 00:11 Damdred wrote:
GB reaction is priceless I'd rather not lynch the bear.
And that's what GB does, likes killing lurkers early
Here is the problem: if you think someone is probably town you can NEVER say, NEVER, that he is someone you could lynch. It doesn't matter if he changed his mind, it doesn't matter if he said "doubtful". LYNCHING ME IS NEVER AN OPTION FOR DAMDRED, SPECIALLY IN THIS GAME, BECAUSE WE ARE EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH EACH OTHER GAMEPLAY. A thought of lynching me CAN NEVER CROSS HIS MIND AFTER THOSE QUOTED POSTS.
THIS IS A SCUM KEEPING IS OPTIONS OPEN.
Doubt we have a grasp of each others meta?
Check the spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:@Marv:(Damdred is town in all the following games): .:Arnie has got a gun minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Damdred+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2014 04:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 04:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote:On August 20 2014 04:27 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh I think the gun holder should probably shoot GlowingBear or something at this time. This is the dumbest thing in this thread what if they are town and we mislynch? Don't push us to the point of no return day 2 I find it pretty hard to believe that both Tehpoofter and GB are town. Is it outside the realms of realiy? I'm not sure that GB is mafia why not help me understand what you are seeing that makes you unhesitant about him. I'm seeing a lot of his town play right here and hes tunneled on Rob for whatever reason and won't move just doesn't feel like mafia right there This is an example of how usually damdred has an opinion about me. See that he says he is seeing a lot of my town play and that my tunnel on Robik in this game makes me town. He has an opinion on my meta, although it's wrong. This is just an example. You can check how in his first 3 pages of filter he spends a lot of time talking about me. .:Guilty Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2014 23:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing. I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him? I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then. If this is the post you responded to me on ok, I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game. re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter. And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though. On August 23 2014 01:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:@Robik: On August 22 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to sleep. Tomorrow will be a busy day, so I won't be nearly as active.
I bolded it so you guys don't come and say: lol look at GB he is lurking LOLOLOLOLOL
Rayn, you know I'm town, embrace me if you're also. I was addressing this motherfucking post. You think I have no right to be mad to be scumread because I'm not posting as much as I yesterday? It's not about the quantity. So you're disregarding every attempt of mine of pushing people yesterday? You really didn't push people yesterday GB, you allowed yourself to be questioned by Wave and you were being a bit dickish to Kel when he didn't answer your question straight away before understanding why he was doing that.When you actually started trying to get answers out of me instead of waiting for me to answer you then pointed to a bad looking post and peace'd out and didn't return to that upon your return at all. So yea theres not much of a push just the image of a push at that point in your filter. Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:On August 23 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
imo Xatalos (and Damdred) weren't calling you mafia because you didn't post. He called you mafia because your recent posts were bad as fuck. I'll shut up and post when I can read the thread properly, then. I'm trying to give thoughts based on what I've skimmed. If you think I'm mafia because of that single question, you're wrong. I really want you to read the thread and respond when you can GB, you are looking bad because of some of the things I mentioned and this anger because people are scum reading you when you are admittedly behind on the thread feel weird to me generally when i've played with townGB in the past whenever this happened you would take a step back and say let me go read and i'ill be back not get angry it's just weird at this point for you and does feel a bit forced. First post: Damdred is now aware of how I can sound like mafia and has a clear intuition regarding my gameplay. Second post: Damdred says that I look weird when I'm behind the thread, poiting out that I may be scum in this game. Again, check his filter and for the first pages, look how much posts I am his main topic of discussion. .:Fanfic Minimafia (town damdred/mafia gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=6+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote:
Why would town GB make a big deal about me not analyzing batsnacks at the drop of the hat, and never comment on a post I wrote.
Is going to vote geript without any real reasons or thoughts it feels.
Has started to discredit people and started to paint them scummy...im starting to think GB is scum On September 19 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote:
GB you are acting weird I haven't led a read of yours all day and wasn't talking to you with that question but hf to get clarification on stuffs and if you look at my filter I want to lynch geript today Here, with more experience in my gameplay, he townreads me first but starts believing I'm scum for doing awkward things. I've added a bonus post where he clearly states why I'm looking scum. He is taking a very original and genuine stance, with a clear and precise thought process that I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN THIS THREAD YET. Same thing. Read his filter and see how much time he spends talking about me. .:Hearthstone Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?user=Damdred&page=8+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote:
because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally.
GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote:On November 02 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not talking anymore. If you guys don't lynch damdred I won't play this game anymore, so you should lynch me.
Bye. what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do. Good job gb is a good lynch then I don't mind the help, Damdred, but you 100% have to explain in detail your thought process between here: On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case.
So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. And Here: On November 02 2014 04:06 Damdred wrote:
sorry ve, i was just trying not to make thread cluttered if i messed up spoiler tag,
GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here And it's gotta be better than "GB doesn't blindly believe my claim" It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. First post: Says I'm scum for meta things. Admits we have been over my meta for a long long time. Second post: again, scum reads me for meta. Has a clear distinct meta thingy on me. AGAIN, main topic of his early filter is me. .: Russia Today Mini Mafia (town damdred/town gb) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2+ Show Spoiler + On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around.
GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real.
Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot.
Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here.
Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote:
You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge.
I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play.
Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players.
You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure.
Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? On November 29 2014 00:08 Damdred wrote:
Screw you JAT no reason to be snarky at me at this point.
@Marv, I'm not sure sno is acting strange but he's said some things I've remembered I think. Sent has kept his hands clean and even though he's been back in the thread he's avoided mu questions to him about his vote. There's a ton more games on me to read so he could get some hood evidence.
though GB becomes a better lynch as his case does not materialize On November 29 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
it's just a little weird, damdred, that you use meta when talking about sn0 (and others i think) but not at all on the main person you're pushing I'm not really sure I agree, sno is weird in thread and is totally different from last time I played, just not sure he is the lynch today idk. So is GB but there are a few posts and a missing case that drives gbs scumminess for me currently rather than meta. don't think I've played with sent I just think how sent is going about today is scummy. On November 29 2014 00:42 Damdred wrote:
Spent most time on GB because I'm most familiar with GB probably. I'm more null for you jat but you would rather lynch me? On November 29 2014 00:59 Damdred wrote:
GB is more likely town than scum after that case probably On November 29 2014 04:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
Damd I want you off the top of your head to explain why you think gb is town. Like fully explain as much as you can without checking his posts. Struggles with getting across complex ideas and generally looks meh doing it at times which is generally towny of GB. Does what he promises instead of excuses and foes after a hard target in Marv instead of an easy target he could of picked. Seems to believe everything he says. First post: a very strong meta thing on me. Second post: gut feelings/meta thing on me. THIRD AND FOURTH POST (IMPORTANT): scumread me for meta (he is scum if his promised case doesn't materialize).
FIFTH POST: admits he is familiar with my gameplay and, therefore, spends more time with me.SIXTH POST: META ME AS TOWN BECAUSE I'VE DELIVERED A CASE. SEVENTH POST: SHOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES IS A TOWNTELL FROM ME I'm gonna stop on Russia Minimafia because it alone is very damning. Also, remember that Russia was AFTER Hearthstone, a game where damdred said he stopped making meta reads on me because he was wrong on me, WHAT IS EXTREME BULLSHIT SINCE HE META'ED ME A LOT ON RUSSIA MINIMAFIA. As ever, he spends a lot of time having me as the main topic. TL;DR = read only Russia Minimafia part I also want you to look at how his thoughts are clear in these games and how contributive he is to the thread, a very different behaviour from him regarding this game. A couple of Damdred's town posts that I have never, ever seen in this game below: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2014 00:36 Damdred wrote:If you want reasons behind my reads i'm more than happy to give my reasons, generally if you ask me for something I do it. GB asked for the reads laughed them off. Jay is a good townread I think currently, Overall his posts seem to have a clear direction in them with a clear thought pattern that town generally has. He starts the game off with Its a strange opening, but he does not stop at that he explains himself in what appears to be a concise manner. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote:
@holyflare I don't like day one because I struggle with having no concrete information.
Votes for me already? I love it :D DO TELL?
WHY WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR ME? He also sees pressure votes piling up on him and welcomes them just asking why they are that way. He doesn't freak out about the votes, he wants to know why though. Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:43 jaybrundage wrote:I dont know about GB, I think he called out someones first post in a dumb way. First post they don't say anything besides nothing suspicious. And he said why post if you dont have anything to say and you dont wanna joke around. My response to that would be it's super early in the day people post because there is nothing else to do. They post for the hell of it till they think they see something scummy and they scumhunt. Oh and just so no one gets confused I just liked VE's post cause VE is awesome and he said Stay tuned for more simplistic insights with VE. God I love this guy XD I hadn't looked into GB before then. The pressure has moved off of him, but he continues to help the thread and posts like this seem to have a clear thought pattern behind them. He is really logical about how he approaches things and seems to be coming from a town mindset hes not looking to gang up on people in his filter (or thread). He is generally replying to everything asked of him and giving his thoughts about what is going on. I'll give a few examples of that now some of it is policy talk which is really safe but Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote:
Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. (crazy theory lololol) Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 14:13 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 14:08 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2014 14:03 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:55 jaybrundage wrote:On October 31 2014 13:53 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2014 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would analyse scum.
british spelling.
GB, are you scum?
So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance? C'mon oats. Would you prefer if that person hadn't posted then? Would that be more townie? Tell me the town motivation behind coming to the thread, summarizing a thread 2 pages long, downgrading his gameplay and bringing nothing contributive. It isn't even a conversation starter. You didn't answer my question You stated if they didnt wanna joke around why would they post. I would say cause people feel obligated to post on day 1 as there is nothing else to do. As for downgrading himself. I know i am not the next prodigy mafia player, palmar incarnate. I am a just an average mafia player that enjoys the game. Who cares if someone knows they aren't great. I think people say that ts a scum tell but i never feel like scum actually use it. You are on about some really arbitrary, nitpicking stuff imo. I am not a fan. There's a difference between knowing you're not great; and first posts advertising how not great you are. I'm trying to get people to post about there reasoning and to post more so i can get a better read on them. The faster there is substance in the thread. The faster real analyzing can happen. By me "nitpicking" hopefully you can also get a better read on me as well as GB. Who is my nit...pickeded XD (really like this post) He also calls out hf for what he sees a shit flinging. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#483http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#538He actually pressures a good many people in the thread and draws attention to himself through it, with the hf, the lord tolkien, puts some pressure on gb Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 13:41 jaybrundage wrote:
Obi I thought you were gonna come back and talk about stuff. Shoot. Who's your scum read?
@ Liancourt. I noticed that you seem to comment on a lot of things and often ask questions. Liking it so far. I am not sure who your top scum read is tho. Do you have anyone picked out?
I would ideally like to get each person to set up a position on who they would like to lynch. The day is half over, What would suck is if at the end of the day we have people with poorly defined positions who just can pile on any bandwagon with little reasoning and because of that let scum influence the lynch.
I'm not posting this just to try to give scum a hard time. Townies do this shit too and it makes it harder to sift thru the drivel after a lynch. he is digging for thoughts into people so that he can get better reads and get the thread involved. So overall, he seems to be coming from a towny mindset. Hes looking for information gives his thoughts pretty freely and is doing things. He shouldn't be a lynch today and unless he takes a nose dive or some form of red check confirmed hes in my town pile pretty heavily. On August 20 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 00:35 Xatalos wrote:On August 20 2014 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Seriously nobody is looking into damdred as possible scum? ? ?
Xata, what changed your mind?
He may be scum, I just don't like lynching him right now as much as before. He reacted to pressure by posting a lot of original content and participating in the discussion - granted, it was in large part about townreading me, so maybe I'm a bit biased. At least I think his thoughts regarding me were correct. What I don't like is how he just casually threw some suspicion on GB and didn't really pursue the issue himself. Are you serious right here? here are the posts where i pursued the issue with GB Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 02:11 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. You're the first wagon. If you say you're town and if you believe Robik isn't mafia, who is? It doesn't matter who the first wagon is honestly either you think i'm town or you don't. I didn't say Rob wasn't mafia I said your case was anon case and you should give him time to get home and be more critical to see if he acts normal or not. I'd say from his limited postings I don't see a lot of anything scummy about what he has posted. Right now it's hard for me to ignore Yamato since he hasn't posted, but its still early in day one and certain people haven't posted at all. There just is not a lot to go on, got a few town leans right now, and you seem weird to me right now GB. You have thrown suspicion on several players, and when some pressure was added to you, you honestly threw some more suspicion and left the thread/lurked until recently when you decided to jump on Rob. Just is weird for you right now Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:32 Damdred wrote:
Right now you have two wagons GB, Rob and Damdred (go me),
To me neither wagon seems really strong one is based off of a sorta meta read where rob isn't being his normal rob self, he explained it well before you posted that his work blocked websites and hes slower than normal and not able to play as critically as when hes at home, yet you vote for him (granted i been playing in a lot of IML games so votes don't have as big of impact). You use the same excuse as Rob does that you can't post as much or quote as much since you are on the phone most of the time and you find him lurky. Neither of these reasons seem really hard enough for a vote or a good case. If someone else gave this case GB would you find it a good enough case to vote for?
Your Damdred case (or case on me XD) revolves around one of my first posts that I made shortly after getting off a long shift. I rightfully got attacked on it. This case is better than Robs case that it is a weird post but it seems to neglect a lot of the content that came after the day 1 start. Looking at the day and how its went and participation would you vote for this case over rob?
Would you vote for either of these cases or would you look elsewhere or at the person presenting the cases GB? To me neither case makes much sense and just feels like flinging stuff until you find something that sticks. And I don't like it don't like it at all. Also you cast some doubt on ray and its a good tactic mafia would use to distance themselves from the ray kill, so even though Xat would say why would they do this I can see it. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 03:33 Damdred wrote:
Also gb i forgot to ask whats up with the lurkers? Almost everyone has commented on them and of course I don't want them to lurk and nobody does since we can't get good reads and it will make lylo really hard if one of them makes it Why are you lying on me Xata? There was NOTHING casual about this I went after GB and didn't stop and GB eventually left the thread and came back today....why are you saying things like this On August 20 2014 01:30 Damdred wrote:I don't like Geript at this time and i'm pretty sure a lot of what hes doing is mafia oriented. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 04:58 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake  He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. easiest post to make every scum pile. On August 18 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2014 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. Hm. I guess it would be best to be as silent as possible about our roles until N0 is over. Dunno what would be the point of that check thingy. Possibly scum-motivated, or just bored. Rayn could be town trying to take a bullet, but that's dumb, and Rayn is a good player. Being bored isn't an excuse. You gotta admit it is at least suspicious. I think the purpose of that stunt would be rather to survive than to take a bullet as town. What Cop would joke about checks during N0? Or then he did that exactly because of that (WIFOM WIFOM). Anyways, it could be just to mess up with the scumteam. I did something similar in a N0 game earlier as town. So I don't really see it as exactly "suspicious", more like potentially scum-motivated, maybe without any real motivation or town-motivated in a convoluted way? talking more about wifom double scumpile On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote:
rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol yam being yam, scumpile On August 18 2014 11:40 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 18 2014 11:34 yamato77 wrote:
rayn thinks fakeclaiming is good, lol This comment is scummy. banks being banks, scumpile On August 18 2014 13:34 IAmRobik wrote:On August 18 2014 13:27 yamato77 wrote:
robik agreeing with me is scummy LOL I thought oats was town. I remember you calling oats town, so I said that you were right about him being town. That's not weird at all. That's called reading the game and coming to a conclusion that is similar to someone else's LOL it's kinda odd. I usually have a very hard time reading robik. maybe the time away has let me clear my head a bit, but i get good feels off of this post. There's the combination of sincerity and arrogance that I expect from robik. townpile for now On August 18 2014 15:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Xatalos didn't say he thinks i am mafia but his posting implies talking about roles is dumb (which it is) and then he does nothing but that. I really disagree with you here. I get that you don't like his posts; I'm not particularly fond of them either; he's on my to read list. But this is usually what I see from town. On August 18 2014 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't agree with your yamato read. Obviously.
I agree with poofer although i do not remember if he usually plays at the start of the game or not because here he sure isn't.
I am pretty sure Damdred is mafia. His post about me & GB and his read on yamato doesn't really make any sense. That's pretty much all he has said.
Oats feels too laid back. It is strange. I haven't played with him in ages so i guess time will tell. Sure worth keeping eye on. I didn't like how he agreed with my post on Damdred but didn't push Damdred about it (as he implied he figured out same stuff i did). That's not town!Oats'y imo.
Your read on me is BS - you can't say what you did in the first place because i can't possibly comment on it in any way. <3 On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1![[image loading]](http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/legend-conan-arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg) raynpelikoneet the cop is dead
Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. </3 On August 18 2014 23:03 Damdred wrote:On August 18 2014 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Man I dont understand this part at all Damdred. also just by reading the thread it looks like Xatalos would have the biggest filter day one so even if I did feel hes scummy I wouldn't push a lynch on him at this point its more town xat. Why big filter = town and why wont you push him if you think he is scummy regardless of his filter? buddy much? Town Xatalos posts a lot and posts whatever hes thinking whenever in my experience with him. His filter size shows if hes being towny. And what i've noticed hes been pretty open about his reads and opinions isn't scared to be wrong and always tries to explain his thought process. And generally its always a bad idea to lynch into the people with the biggest filters day one normally they aren't mafia, if his play tapers off and he starts to lurk i'll rethink it but i don't think hes a good lynch for day one at all. And Xat it did feel like you were just sheeping what Ray was saying at first but looking back over the thread I thought it was pretty consitant with what you been saying. So it was probably more of a reaction to being called mafia at this point, so yea i'm pretty town on you right now. When I read this post it's a pretty odd post. It's what I usually see from scum over explaining thing. On August 19 2014 01:45 IAmRobik wrote:
Well that explains a lot I don't remember why I highlighted this quote, maybe i'll remember later. On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote:On August 19 2014 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob.
But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. Foul: Playing from sidelindsOn August 19 2014 03:44 yamato77 wrote:
Oats and Xata are probably town fuck Ok so his first real post in the thread is a list post, it looks big and good but a lot of it is no analysis really or spotty analysis at best. Also him pulling my post that he says is odd is strange its not my most scummy post by far up to this point oats got me on that one. Subsequently he has little follow up with a lot of this and some of these posts aren't as scummy in context as they appear. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 05:14 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 05:07 Xatalos wrote:
So geript, both yamato and me ended up in your scumpile but disappeared by your following post? Or we two are just lesser reads? yam is always scum. wasn't really look for scum but for who's town. Rayn's post actually had me rethinking about you and the more you posted the more I liked. Actually i'm really confused now all of this ray town read Xata when all he said about xata was or his most recent posting before death Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should be ending now.
scum: Damdred, idk...
fishy: Oats (because he is making sense), Xatalos (i would expect more from him so far)
town: GB, yamato
dunno: Robik, geript so i'm not understanding why rays posting would have him rethinking his scum read when he generally trusts rays reads...its just strange and implies that ray townread xata more of this later Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 13:39 geript wrote:Since I'm finally home, I'll explain a few points on poofy: 1. The timing thing. Whether or not I'm right on what Marv saw is beside the point. Banks flat out stated he thought he knew what the timing thing was and is trying to emulate his town play. Who the fuck tries to emulate their town play as town???? 2. Banks has only pushed me as mafia when he's mafia. He also very much tends to do it at Lylo or right before Lylo. This is classic scum banks. 3. Banks fucking loves to wifom fake claim as town. He has like 2 posts about being cop after Rayn did it and nothing else. He's not playing for that fun factor at all which is super scummy for him. 4. He has no interest whatsoever in actually finding town. Rather he's focus on asking questions and doing jack shit until he actually picked up suspicion. EZPZ is scum would lynch A s for GB, he's struggled to post. He had a pretty worthless entrance and then there was this gem of a post:On August 18 2014 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:On August 18 2014 10:33 Tehpoofter wrote:
I want it to be day 1 already lol. I feel like n0 is going insanely slow. Maybe because Palmar started it so late for the Euros but I want to get this shit going!! I also want to get this going but I have no idea how to start a trend. I've brought suspicions on Rayn but people dropped it fast so... Yeah. This is really odd. He's lost as to what he can do as town? Did he forget he could reread or go through filters? Like that's super scummy. Plus he reads me as super town but has no clue about my reads on people. Wtf? On Dandruff. Rayn had the scumread on him and Rayn's reads early are quite good. His read on Xat was super early and almost mystical; too good for when it came. And as he progressed he softened the read from town to maybe town to more likely to be town but like 55%. How essentially detatched and idk "plAying nice" he's being rubs me the wrong way. Plus it's weird that he's able to find town reads on people but that doesn't push him to think: "if these people (Xat/Oats) are town, then the three scum must be in those other 5 so let me look at them closely." I'm going to ignore the part about me here people can disect it if they want. I want to talk about GB first I really feel like the post he quotes isn't scummy at all for what was going on in the thread at the time and it could be taken out of context and shown as scummy. And he claims to trust rays reads....but ray had GB as town hrm. Point three about poof just doesn't make sense, and i'd rather him not be hunting for town. He should be hunting for scum. I hate this stupd stupid stupid timing read meta shit that he keeps bringing up its crappy and honestly stupid. Its not indicative of mafia or town at all and him claiming poof said he was trying to emulate his town game is just...honestly a lie or a misinterpretation of what poof actually said since he was talking about two seperate games he played with marv when explaining what this shit was to me. And then he continues to spout it to gain poof lynch support. Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 23:59 geript wrote:On August 19 2014 23:54 GlowingBear wrote:On August 19 2014 23:52 Xatalos wrote:On August 19 2014 23:34 geript wrote:On August 18 2014 20:01 Palmar wrote:Day 1raynpelikoneet the cop is dead
Deadline is Tuesday, Aug 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Any vote cast after 22:59 GMT (+00:00) will not be counted. Xat's right. Like 9 hours to go and it's like 1-1-1 or something. No lynch is not an option here. I'll consolidate on any of Dandruff, poofter or Giggles (but either of the latter is preferable). Get your shit together people. It's plurality lynch though so consolidation isn't as crucial. In fact it might be better to have 2 competing wagons, like GB/Tehpoofter. That would provide more info. At the moment I'm leaning slightly more on GB since Tehpoofter feels so similar to his last towngame (even that marry/bang post is pretty identical to that game haha - although maybe he posted that since I was looking at his earlier game...). Why do you scumread me and poof, exactly? Why exactly does it matter? Of course yoru reads on why you scum read people matter, or in this case have an illusion of scum reading people where you take stuff out of context to make them look scummy lie about what people actually say to make them look scummy and have people spouting off he gave good reads....he hasn't done jack shit but just has the appearance of it.
VOTE DAMDRED FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
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