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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On January 19 2015 00:11 GlowingBear wrote: Like, voting Breshke and saying that he isn't doing what he was supposed to do? But even if I wasn't doing that. Why am I scum for NOT pushing lurkers? Why did you choose Breshke out of all the low content people? Why not me or TheWarWaffle? | ||
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Damdred
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Damdred
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote: TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote: I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore. This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far. I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that. ##Vote: Breshke GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you  | ||
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Damdred
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Trfel
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On January 18 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote: I did in fact get something out of my questions to Trfel. Please note the progression here. Note the time. Less than a full minute after game start. Best I can tell without him quoting the post he was responding to himself, this was a result of LS' question. Note the bolded reason: policy lynch dependent on Geript being "useful". Note the bolded portion again. It went from when Geript is "useful" to when he feels like it...after I asked him whether or not he planned to lynch a policy lynch over a scumread. Huh? What was the purpose of the policy lynch then? Geript had yet to post in the thread at the time of Trfel's unvote. Parsed this down out of his giant reads post. I will address his reads themselves in a moment. So now it's to generate discussion. Okay, so his reasons went from: Policy Lynch (Geript can't possibly be effective with such few posts) to he'll change it when he feels like it, to nevermind he thinks Geript will be fine (before Geript has posted once), to nope, just to generate discussion. <- Interesting that this is after GB already tried to explain Trfel's behavior. Was GB just right, or was this a convenient excuse that Tfel could now use to explain it away? Even if you think, as some of you do, that all of this wasn't strange and even thought it made Trfel town (still mind-boggling to me), I laid off him some to see if he came up with anything but a weird-ass Trfel's Reads + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. - LS "weird" for changing viewpoint based on vet opinions. Really? - GBs opening claim. I think someone already mentioned that if they're supposedly doing the same thing, this is an odd read. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). Weird-more, towny...null? LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. Liked questioning, suspicious...null? No reason to include this except to say HEY LOOK I TOWNREAD A TOWN!! I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. What? Between suddenly townreading(ish?) GB after suggesting he was scum earlier, all the back and forth, and the fact he never actually mentions Damdred individually...I feel like I got nothing from Trfel out of this paragraph. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Lot of words to describe yet another null read. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Towny, scummy. Null again?! Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. JarJar horrible opening->useful thoughts; Me: Town meta (no one knows how I play scum but Shining and Dammy, lol) -> reads less independent...so...null reads again. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). This to me is just icky. Huge explanation at the end of his reads as to why he's been sucking this game (sorry, Trfel, but I'm entitled to my own opinions and you've rocked other games) with a conclusion that as long as he's providing content the quality doesn't matter? At least, that's how I read the bolded section. With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. And now, the giant novel of null.  Seriously, there is pretty much nothing useful in this post. Open the spoiler and see my comments, but essentially he wrote paragraphs on half the players in this game just to call them null, then defended his lack of quality content. Also, if you can :/ LoneMeow and DarthPunk who were (apparent?) null reads, with Shining and Breshke (definite null reads for lack of activity)...so, really no scumreads. I'm having a hard time with this idea that Trfel has absolutely no strong town/scumreads at all this game. There's obviously more in his filter, to include WW and DP later in the game, and some questions. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure Trfel is scum. I do think that he is the most likely to flip scum of the players here, however. My reasons in a nutshell: - His reasons for his opening post kept changing. - No reads. What he does post is a lot of verbage to say he doesn't have an earthly clue and everyone is null. Blech. ##Vote: Trfel I already explained my responses to these points. I will state them again. Note that I need to leave for church in the near future, I will comment on the rest of the thread when I return. I already stated that my opening arguments were a falsified position with the intention of creating discussion. I held on to them for as long as practical. I don't understand why shifting my viewpoint from a policy lynch to "I will use my vote in the way that I feel it is most effective" is questionable. Wouldn't you ALWAYS want someone to use their best judgement with their vote? Whenever someone says that they will be doing something with their vote, it's assumed that they will change their vote if they see a reason to do so, which is basically what I said. My opening was not intended to policy lynch geript but to start discussion. Again, I think that it largely succeeded in that. Whether or not it did isn't really relevant to my alignment. LightningStrike's play was weird for other reasons. Read DarthPunk's comments on the start of the game. I don't see how you can possibly not call that weird. In particular, he's in the middle of the discussion, and then he suddenly asks for a female. Changing his viewpoint based on what more experienced players say is understandable, though it hints at a lack of conviction in his own opinion. As for not deleting that paragraph, I admitted there was no useful reason to keep it. But I wrote it. I didn't want to delete something that I wrote, especially since it ended up being very correct. I know it's silly. But it's not mafia. I don't generally make townreads, you should know that. At this moment I do not have strong scumreads, however I need to reread this entire game, and there has been a lot of new information since then. I wasn't calling players null, I was sharing my thoughts. I never called them reads. The reason for this is obvious: I didn't share my thoughts last game, and ended up being a terrible liability to town. I felt that I had enough thoughts that, while not being of much use on their own, could help provide some discussion. + Show Spoiler [meta] + I guess I need to say this after all. For those of you who dislike newbies using meta, you do not need to read this, however I do request that geript read this since he is (to some level) using meta against me. Remember, I come to TL Mafia without having played a game of mafia before, forums or in person or however. So I hd absolutely zero clue how anything worked. Before I started playing, I read all of the TL forum guides possible, including the TL XXX guide by Ver. This guide gave me the impression that all cases and reads were done using meta, and the best posts were really long meta posts (see the Foolishness post mentioned in that guide). You can see this being readily apparent in my case against batsnacks on Day 1. I made cases against batsnacks and Damdred in that game, in which I was 100% confident. Guess what, I was wrong on both. That shook my confidence a lot, and since then I decided that I needed to be better with my reads, hence drastically increasing the level of suspicion required to scumread someone*. Then I jumped into the Carol of the Bells game. Surely you remember how I basically sat out Day 1 and Night 1, spent most of Day 2 making excuses and whining that the thread was too long? Then I made a case on KelsierSC which was thrown together at the last second and primarily created to prevent me from dying. When I read it now, it actually looked pretty good (ironically the first half, for which I included the quotes to prove each point, was rather weak while the second half which was thrown together without supporting quotes at the last second was rather strong), at the time I didn't know if it was any good at all. I just posted it because I had tried to create cases on several people and none of them had felt strong enough, and I was at risk of being lynched if I didn't show something. It ended up being correct, but I still spent the majority of the game whining and complaining. Surely you don't call that amazing play. Then, see the Newbie Mafia game. I provided no reads, no useful thoughts, little to no discussion. The one thing I did right is that I correctly analyzed that none of the wagons were mafia, and that the mafia presence in the thread wasn't very high. I got shot on Night 1 for reputation, leaving town with next to zero information. The only good thing you can say about my play is that I realized that all of the Day 1 wagons were town. Geript later said that my play was good in that game for this insight, as well as seeming towny despite having poor posts. Realize that I provided no scumreads whatsoever in this game. So today, that leaves me with a reputation of being a good player (!) which resulted from making long posts and getting lucky once. Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out how to play the game, ie what level of suspicion I need to scumread someone, how fluid or static my reads should be, if/how I should incorporate townreads into my play, how claiming has any effect on anything whatsoever, voting analysis, etc. *I still dont' know what level of suspicion is required for a scumread. Since I increased the level I wanted, I have made one scumread. It was correct, but this playstyle doesn't seem to be working very well. In summary, I'm a noob for a reason. I'm still trying to figure out how to play this game. Please stop trying to hold me to glossy expectations based on the highlights of my play while ignoring the many, many shortcomings. I don't see how anyone can possibly disagree with this, but I can provide plenty of evidence if you think it is necessary. 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LightningStrike
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On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote: This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far. I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that. ##Vote: Breshke GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you He played with me when I was town 3 times and 1 time as mafia Town Games: Campus Mafia when I got lynched Day 1 as Cop, Metal Mini when I was VT, New Years Eve when I was Vig Mafia Games: Student IV as Mafia goon vs his VT. Also at one hand I want to lynch him but at the other hand there might be better lynches than him. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 19 2015 00:59 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler [rsoultin's case] + On January 18 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote: I did in fact get something out of my questions to Trfel. Please note the progression here. Note the time. Less than a full minute after game start. Best I can tell without him quoting the post he was responding to himself, this was a result of LS' question. Note the bolded reason: policy lynch dependent on Geript being "useful". Note the bolded portion again. It went from when Geript is "useful" to when he feels like it...after I asked him whether or not he planned to lynch a policy lynch over a scumread. Huh? What was the purpose of the policy lynch then? Geript had yet to post in the thread at the time of Trfel's unvote. Parsed this down out of his giant reads post. I will address his reads themselves in a moment. So now it's to generate discussion. Okay, so his reasons went from: Policy Lynch (Geript can't possibly be effective with such few posts) to he'll change it when he feels like it, to nevermind he thinks Geript will be fine (before Geript has posted once), to nope, just to generate discussion. <- Interesting that this is after GB already tried to explain Trfel's behavior. Was GB just right, or was this a convenient excuse that Tfel could now use to explain it away? Even if you think, as some of you do, that all of this wasn't strange and even thought it made Trfel town (still mind-boggling to me), I laid off him some to see if he came up with anything but a weird-ass Trfel's Reads + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. - LS "weird" for changing viewpoint based on vet opinions. Really? - GBs opening claim. I think someone already mentioned that if they're supposedly doing the same thing, this is an odd read. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). Weird-more, towny...null? LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. Liked questioning, suspicious...null? No reason to include this except to say HEY LOOK I TOWNREAD A TOWN!! I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. What? Between suddenly townreading(ish?) GB after suggesting he was scum earlier, all the back and forth, and the fact he never actually mentions Damdred individually...I feel like I got nothing from Trfel out of this paragraph. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Lot of words to describe yet another null read. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Towny, scummy. Null again?! Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. JarJar horrible opening->useful thoughts; Me: Town meta (no one knows how I play scum but Shining and Dammy, lol) -> reads less independent...so...null reads again. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). This to me is just icky. Huge explanation at the end of his reads as to why he's been sucking this game (sorry, Trfel, but I'm entitled to my own opinions and you've rocked other games) with a conclusion that as long as he's providing content the quality doesn't matter? At least, that's how I read the bolded section. With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. And now, the giant novel of null. Seriously, there is pretty much nothing useful in this post. Open the spoiler and see my comments, but essentially he wrote paragraphs on half the players in this game just to call them null, then defended his lack of quality content. Also, if you can :/ LoneMeow and DarthPunk who were (apparent?) null reads, with Shining and Breshke (definite null reads for lack of activity)...so, really no scumreads. I'm having a hard time with this idea that Trfel has absolutely no strong town/scumreads at all this game. There's obviously more in his filter, to include WW and DP later in the game, and some questions. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure Trfel is scum. I do think that he is the most likely to flip scum of the players here, however. My reasons in a nutshell: - His reasons for his opening post kept changing. - No reads. What he does post is a lot of verbage to say he doesn't have an earthly clue and everyone is null. Blech. ##Vote: Trfel I already explained my responses to these points. I will state them again. Note that I need to leave for church in the near future, I will comment on the rest of the thread when I return. I already stated that my opening arguments were a falsified position with the intention of creating discussion. I held on to them for as long as practical. I don't understand why shifting my viewpoint from a policy lynch to "I will use my vote in the way that I feel it is most effective" is questionable. Wouldn't you ALWAYS want someone to use their best judgement with their vote? Whenever someone says that they will be doing something with their vote, it's assumed that they will change their vote if they see a reason to do so, which is basically what I said. My opening was not intended to policy lynch geript but to start discussion. Again, I think that it largely succeeded in that. Whether or not it did isn't really relevant to my alignment. LightningStrike's play was weird for other reasons. Read DarthPunk's comments on the start of the game. I don't see how you can possibly not call that weird. In particular, he's in the middle of the discussion, and then he suddenly asks for a female. Changing his viewpoint based on what more experienced players say is understandable, though it hints at a lack of conviction in his own opinion. As for not deleting that paragraph, I admitted there was no useful reason to keep it. But I wrote it. I didn't want to delete something that I wrote, especially since it ended up being very correct. I know it's silly. But it's not mafia. I don't generally make townreads, you should know that. At this moment I do not have strong scumreads, however I need to reread this entire game, and there has been a lot of new information since then. I wasn't calling players null, I was sharing my thoughts. I never called them reads. The reason for this is obvious: I didn't share my thoughts last game, and ended up being a terrible liability to town. I felt that I had enough thoughts that, while not being of much use on their own, could help provide some discussion. + Show Spoiler [meta] + I guess I need to say this after all. For those of you who dislike newbies using meta, you do not need to read this, however I do request that geript read this since he is (to some level) using meta against me. Remember, I come to TL Mafia without having played a game of mafia before, forums or in person or however. So I hd absolutely zero clue how anything worked. Before I started playing, I read all of the TL forum guides possible, including the TL XXX guide by Ver. This guide gave me the impression that all cases and reads were done using meta, and the best posts were really long meta posts (see the Foolishness post mentioned in that guide). You can see this being readily apparent in my case against batsnacks on Day 1. I made cases against batsnacks and Damdred in that game, in which I was 100% confident. Guess what, I was wrong on both. That shook my confidence a lot, and since then I decided that I needed to be better with my reads, hence drastically increasing the level of suspicion required to scumread someone*. Then I jumped into the Carol of the Bells game. Surely you remember how I basically sat out Day 1 and Night 1, spent most of Day 2 making excuses and whining that the thread was too long? Then I made a case on KelsierSC which was thrown together at the last second and primarily created to prevent me from dying. When I read it now, it actually looked pretty good (ironically the first half, for which I included the quotes to prove each point, was rather weak while the second half which was thrown together without supporting quotes at the last second was rather strong), at the time I didn't know if it was any good at all. I just posted it because I had tried to create cases on several people and none of them had felt strong enough, and I was at risk of being lynched if I didn't show something. It ended up being correct, but I still spent the majority of the game whining and complaining. Surely you don't call that amazing play. Then, see the Newbie Mafia game. I provided no reads, no useful thoughts, little to no discussion. The one thing I did right is that I correctly analyzed that none of the wagons were mafia, and that the mafia presence in the thread wasn't very high. I got shot on Night 1 for reputation, leaving town with next to zero information. The only good thing you can say about my play is that I realized that all of the Day 1 wagons were town. Geript later said that my play was good in that game for this insight, as well as seeming towny despite having poor posts. Realize that I provided no scumreads whatsoever in this game. So today, that leaves me with a reputation of being a good player (!) which resulted from making long posts and getting lucky once. Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out how to play the game, ie what level of suspicion I need to scumread someone, how fluid or static my reads should be, if/how I should incorporate townreads into my play, how claiming has any effect on anything whatsoever, voting analysis, etc. *I still dont' know what level of suspicion is required for a scumread. Since I increased the level I wanted, I have made one scumread. It was correct, but this playstyle doesn't seem to be working very well. In summary, I'm a noob for a reason. I'm still trying to figure out how to play this game. Please stop trying to hold me to glossy expectations based on the highlights of my play while ignoring the many, many shortcomings. I don't see how anyone can possibly disagree with this, but I can provide plenty of evidence if you think it is necessary. I really would rather not, though, since I have better things to do with my time, such as finding scum. Okay, so let's assume that I was overestimating your ability for kicks and giggles, despite the good play in Carol...you really shouldn't lie to me, Trfel; my brother is 100% right that it's a hole I don't easily climb out of. Damn it, you were the friggin seer in that game and still managed to call out not one but two scum in the little bit of posting you did on Day 2. Okay, digression over. The point of that was once you do lie to me I have a hard time believing a word you say and see lies in almost everything. I know I'm getting hung up on this, but I am hung up on it. Let's assume that was all pure luck as you're suggesting. Let's assume you really do think it's somehow more beneficial to town to read a giant post of blah with no actual opinions. The LS read bugs me. You and I were both on the same page with him last time, so I know that you know that scumreading LS for being erratic is bad. You called it "weird" when sheeping from him is normal. What makes it more weird this game than last game? What do you think of LS now? And please do not tell me that saying something is weird isn't scumreading. -_- At the very least it's implying that something could be scum. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote: This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far. I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that. ##Vote: Breshke GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you Lonemeow, where are you this game? If anyone could be accused of being disconnected, I think it's you. | ||
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That was unimpressive -_- | ||
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Brazil12446 Posts
On January 19 2015 01:34 Damdred wrote: Rs top town for parroting me. Lm probable mafia and is a great ads tvoe And I'm a good lynch because...? | ||
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Damdred
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Think I said you wouldn't be last page... but lynching GB d1 is fun! | ||
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geript
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For lack of reasons that you aren't not a good lynch. And stuffs. Lots of stuffs. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote lm | ||
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rsoultin
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##unvote | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 19 2015 01:50 geript wrote: For lack of reasons that you aren't not a good lynch. And stuffs. Lots of stuffs. How's your poe coming geript? | ||
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GlowingBear
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On January 19 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote: Think I said you wouldn't be last page... but lynching GB d1 is fun! Uh huh. Damdy you saying that you're okay with lynching me makes me really mad. You can't just town read me and say I'm a good lynch right after. Specially when you know my gameplay well and specially when I know your gameplay well. You would probably keep me alive to work things out with me if you're town. If you're mafia, in the other hand, you'll try to lynch me because I can catch you when you're scum, specially after a game when everybody townread you but I kept suspecting you. Damdy, damdy. Oh, damdy. I have to decide between you, geript or a lurker I'm gonna read this shit properly now. | ||
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