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On January 03 2015 10:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 10:14 Eden1892 wrote:On January 03 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote:
Kinda bugs me how Eden first scumreads Doc, then scumreads Chyz, then goes on with saying "One or the other is mafia" when they have been in such a clińch. Excluding a bussing here cause of that ragequit from Chyz. But I feel like Eden has been way less vocal about DrH than say TheCyyz. Er... sorry, what was the end point here? I know what you're referencing but I'm not following what you mean. I scumread Doc about an hour into d1 for reasons I don't remember now, I scumread Chyz for his entry post. Don't remember exactly when I said "one or the other is mafia" (fairly certain it was in the morning/early afternoon of NYE my time, which would be first half of d1) so I don't remember what prompted me to say it, but I do remember saying this. It ended up not being important because both Doc and Chyz helped me clarify my reads on them with certain other actions later into d1. Where are you going here? It is a little odd to me that you're bringing up some things I said about Doc and Chyz from relatively early in d1 that aren't really relevant to my reads on them now. Would you kindly point out how Doc and Cyz helped you clarify your reads on them and what the outcome was?
Sure.
Doc pushed hella hard on Chyz and seemed to genuinely believe his case instead of just tunneling for sake of having something to do. I read him as town for this, and although I can see how his actions are not per se inconsistent with him being mafia (unless Chyz is mafia...), I still got the impression that it was a townie push instead of a mafia push. There was just a moment where I was reading Doc's push and was like "This guy is town."
Chyz I've talked about more explicitly, I thought he was town because I didn't really see how the last 3 posts he made came together from a mafia POV. Check his filter and you'll see what I mean (or check my filter shortly before I made my case on batsnacks, somewhere on p3 I think, and you'll see me showing you what I mean). There's this long pbp case on Lazermonkey that screamed town-that-thinks-he-just-found-all-the-answers, with a comment about taking the game too seriously for his health at the start, then 2 posts down there's a ragequit with a long reads list as his last post. I just think that has to be townie. It makes no sense for mafia to do an abrupt 180 from trying to push a lynch on someone else to a ragequit and self-vote -- which he has to figure would lead to him getting killed -- with a long reads/notes list that people weren't going to read.
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That should really say wasn't as the second word of the second sentence imo SL
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Oops missed this.
On January 03 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote:
Yes I was confident in the original lynch. I was confident in the other one too because of who was voting
OK, I'm running into a problem here. I know people have already brought this up, but I need you to go over this for me one more time. You said here that you switched your vote because you weren't confident in your d1 reads, but it seems to me that your switch is entirely because of confidence in your d1 reads, and you say as much here.
Why the discrepancy between the post I linked and the post I quoted?
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On January 03 2015 10:52 Eden1892 wrote:Oops missed this. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote:
Yes I was confident in the original lynch. I was confident in the other one too because of who was voting OK, I'm running into a problem here. I know people have already brought this up, but I need you to go over this for me one more time. You said here that you switched your vote because you weren't confident in your d1 reads, but it seems to me that your switch is entirely because of confidence in your d1 reads, and you say as much here. Why the discrepancy between the post I linked and the post I quoted?
I think I know who I'm gonna vote tomorrow!
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It's pretty disgusting that the voters of geript look scummier as a whole than the voters of bats. Also that the people not voting either wagon look worse than those on either of the other two.
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On January 03 2015 10:55 IAmRobik wrote:
It's pretty disgusting that the voters of geript look scummier as a whole than the voters of bats. Also that the people not voting either wagon look worse than those on either of the other two.
right,,,,
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You disagree? Cool. Please tell me besides myself who you scumread of the voters on bats
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Wait a minute, if SL is scum then geript kinda has to be as well. Why the fuck would he do that retarded vote switch otherwise?
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On January 03 2015 10:58 IAmRobik wrote:
You disagree? Cool. Please tell me besides myself who you scumread of the voters on bats
I don't scumread you
I think SL and dam are scum.
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I mean I guess its possible that SL would anticipate this and make us misslynch geript after he dies but that seems pretty far fetched TBH. Maybe he is just bad scum then?
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On January 03 2015 11:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wait a minute, if SL is scum then geript kinda has to be as well. Why the fuck would he do that retarded vote switch otherwise?
I still have reservations about sicklucker. His 4 town reads thing actually checks out pretty good if you read carefully. That's why I took time to ask him specifically about Artanis -- he very clearly said well before any of me/Damdred/Doc switched to batsnacks that he townread all of us, and while he didn't explicitly say as much with Artanis, his answer checked out when I questioned him on that earlier. "Biggest" townreads might have been a stretch, but if sicklucker is mafia and voted batsnacks to save geript, that's one rather powerful act of divine providence to have 4 people he had previously called town all decide to kill a townie over his partner in the last hour of the game to give him a plausible excuse.
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On January 03 2015 11:08 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wait a minute, if SL is scum then geript kinda has to be as well. Why the fuck would he do that retarded vote switch otherwise? I still have reservations about sicklucker. His 4 town reads thing actually checks out pretty good if you read carefully. That's why I took time to ask him specifically about Artanis -- he very clearly said well before any of me/Damdred/Doc switched to batsnacks that he townread all of us, and while he didn't explicitly say as much with Artanis, his answer checked out when I questioned him on that earlier. "Biggest" townreads might have been a stretch, but if sicklucker is mafia and voted batsnacks to save geript, that's one rather powerful act of divine providence to have 4 people he had previously called town all decide to kill a townie over his partner in the last hour of the game to give him a plausible excuse.
I'm not denying he had you guys as town. But that isn't the point. He was suuuper confident in his geript read and then suddenly drops EVERYTHING to vote for someone he had barely mentioned at that point.
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Oh I know, and I'm with you there. I don't want to say much more because I don't want to lead sicklucker's answer to my last query to him, but once I'm done I'll talk about it.
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Also he didnt say anything when my reason for ultimately voting batsnacks is the same as his for supposedly thinking geript must be town
He said geript was confirmed scum for giving up and then that he was probably town for giving up and i guess he thinks geript is scum again but he isnt really talking about it
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I got 20 minutes of wifi here
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On January 03 2015 11:12 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:08 Eden1892 wrote:On January 03 2015 11:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wait a minute, if SL is scum then geript kinda has to be as well. Why the fuck would he do that retarded vote switch otherwise? I still have reservations about sicklucker. His 4 town reads thing actually checks out pretty good if you read carefully. That's why I took time to ask him specifically about Artanis -- he very clearly said well before any of me/Damdred/Doc switched to batsnacks that he townread all of us, and while he didn't explicitly say as much with Artanis, his answer checked out when I questioned him on that earlier. "Biggest" townreads might have been a stretch, but if sicklucker is mafia and voted batsnacks to save geript, that's one rather powerful act of divine providence to have 4 people he had previously called town all decide to kill a townie over his partner in the last hour of the game to give him a plausible excuse. I'm not denying he had you guys as town. But that isn't the point. He was suuuper confident in his geript read and then suddenly drops EVERYTHING to vote for someone he had barely mentioned at that point.
And two players on geript were town reads of him as well, right?
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On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote:
Name a few people who should be checked.
This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train
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On January 03 2015 11:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote:
Name a few people who should be checked. This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train
Why
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On January 03 2015 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:26 IAmRobik wrote:On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote:
Name a few people who should be checked. This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train Why
Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.-
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Plenty of decent arguments on SL but I think sicklucker's reasoning for voting with his townreads is fine. I can understand it. I've been in plenty of situations near crunch time where I was doubting a lot myself. Hell, even Dr.H switched from his strongest reads to Bats. Feels like a double standard.
I find it weird how Palmar/Robik/Vivax all jumped on JAT at pretty much the same time. I have a retarded theory about that that I can only share post-night. Agreed with Marv that especially Vivax' case was reaching. Palmar's feels genuine. I remember him making a post about making no shenannies at night. Unfortunately, I'm a bad boy.
On January 03 2015 06:11 IAmRobik wrote:
I think I'd lynxh te shit out of kelsersc. I'd also look into sickly jet for clearing me for my vote. My vote looks really bad if geript is scum
On January 03 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
expand on that kelsier read please I forget. It was something I read recently.
Did you recover your memory yet? I saw you say something about a TMI accusation on Eden but it hasn't really been fleshed out as far as I can see.
What the fuck is Vivax doing this game
On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other.
Explain your townread on marv please. What did he do to put himself on top of all those other names?
On January 03 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote:
Who made that list post on the people who wasted their votes? because that was really good. Was that ritoky or eden? That was me. Hidden behind double quotes for readability: Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip. On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:I kount vot ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (3): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (4): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker Not Voting: folks Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched.
until deadline. First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are: Superbia ritoky Koshi geript Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here. Superbia: Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way. I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia? ritoky: After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker). This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote." Koshi: Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location. Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town. geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. TL;DR ritoky, Superbia mafia geript wtf Anyway, I don't think geript answered this (not hiding for readability): Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. So can anyone else explain how this makes sense from... any POV? His explanation is obviously BS to me and I feel like he has to be mafia because I can't see why a townie would do that. I was reading the thread some at work and I think I'm on top of things, but it's possible I missed something. Did Superbia ever say anything that mattered? I saw ritoky did. I think I want to kill Superbia and/or geript today. I also think sicklucker's recent posts are rather suspicious but I don't want to kill him because he's adorable. Everything he posts makes me want to hug him and say "Bless your heart boy" and reach for a swig of sweet tea while sitting in my rocking chair on my front porch. I admit this is atrocious reasoning and will probably be talked out of it if sicklucker is the kill tomorrow but can we keep him? please???
Is there a reason for scum Geript not wanting to lynch Bats though? It's just weird, not alignment indicative.
On January 03 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Registering: I don't like Artanis because at page 24 he gives a town lean to DrH because "people with a critical mass of words tend to be town" is completely shit. Also, I'm amazed that TheChyz opening caused so much controversy when there's nothing wrong with his opening, while DrH has the worst opening I have seen since I started playing.
It's just plain ridiculous.
Check previous games. Townreading people for being wordy and having long filters is perfectly fine. Ask Marv or other vets. This is a terrible reason to scumread me. There's only a few players for whom this is false like DarthPunk.
On January 03 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden you made this giant post on bats with 3 reasons for calling him scum. I think your second case is good because I made it.
My question is this. If you have 3 reasons for calling bats scum right at the deadline why didn't you bother to read him or make a case on him earlier.
It feels like TMI Someone else brought him up as a possible kill when there was roughly an hour or so left. I want to say Artanis without looking, but I don't know. I don't remember remembering anything batsnacks had done to that point, and I remember saying I would read batsnacks instead of someone else (I think Lazermonkey and Vivax?). I read his filter, examined the context of the posts I thought were important and made the case in a larger post. I certainly wouldn't call it "right at the deadline," I think I made it with about 50 minutes left in the day, with at least a half-dozen people online to see it. Close, but not so close that people didn't have time to evaluate it for themselves. I have to admit I don't really understand where your question is going.
JAT brought Batsnacks up initially. I reminded him of it and told him I might be willing to when I felt both Geript and TheChyz were becoming unwanted lynches.
Going forward I'm part of team Koshi and would like to see Vivax hang. Going after JAT and Eden, two of my strongest townreads whilst grasping at straws feels really off. I also didn't like how he conveniently had to go to bed after I tried to talk to him about Geript, and Koshi's stuff with Vivax lying about not having caught up. The biggest problem I have though is that nothing of what he's doing seems to make sense. The random list post, the catching up without catching up and spending the time he does have before the lynch pretty wastefully, and then the attack on JAT/Eden rather than spend time on the people other people actually consider scum, especially when you haven't been caught up yet is pretty iffy.
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