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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote: Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.- I thought of it too but I think the cop is pretty useless until millers and the framer start dying. It feels more like pointless filler at this point. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote: Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.- A big NOPE to this post | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I thought of it too but I think the cop is pretty useless until millers and the framer start dying. It feels more like pointless filler at this point. I mean, checking marv seems dumb cause he will be framed regardless or alignment. Maybe they'll frame geript. I think getting green checks on people the cop TRs who will be alive for a long time is probably the right strat in this game. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there a reason for scum Geript not wanting to lynch Bats though? It's just weird, not alignment indicative. No clue. It's why I wish he would answer this question so I could stop having to think about it. It's not alignment-indicative in itself but it basically leaves him in my lynch pile until he says something I can actually believe. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:08 Eden1892 wrote: I still have reservations about sicklucker. His 4 town reads thing actually checks out pretty good if you read carefully. That's why I took time to ask him specifically about Artanis -- he very clearly said well before any of me/Damdred/Doc switched to batsnacks that he townread all of us, and while he didn't explicitly say as much with Artanis, his answer checked out when I questioned him on that earlier. "Biggest" townreads might have been a stretch, but if sicklucker is mafia and voted batsnacks to save geript, that's one rather powerful act of divine providence to have 4 people he had previously called town all decide to kill a townie over his partner in the last hour of the game to give him a plausible excuse. This is why im not the kill. Lynch me later if I dont scum hunt but you have nothing now. Im not the first person to sheep my entire town circle in a last minute change before. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 03 2015 09:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Not finished reading so prehaps someone already picked up on this. Anyway, take a look at Damdreds filter after the lynch. I think its really wierd to the point where I think its scummy. I feel the targets he is trying to push have been wierd and get the feeling that he is posting more to seem to be contributing than actually trying to figure out scum. First, he talks about how he needs to get some sort of meta read on Superbia because he seems to see a connection. He then makes two posts about how he is looking at various games and then comes back with the conclusion that no connection was found. Why is it that he needs to SAY this in thread? Couldn't you just look it up and comment later on if he finds something interesting. Then he talks about how SL and Eden looked bad but also that DH looked wierd. Maybe its just me but its seems really wierd that he proceeds to post more about DH than about SL and Eden. I have a hard time to understand WHY you would choose to focus DH here instead of SL or Eden. I'm still catching up from work but I just had to stop at this post to correct what is being said. The second post shows that hes not really reading my filter since I explained twice at least to the thread. Koshi asked me what I found similar and to show what games I looked at, I took the time went to all of the documented games and showed what I looked at. Because I said something and was asked in response some questions that I delivered on. The last point however I think isa misrepresentation of what I said + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2015 03:35 Damdred wrote: The point is that, I told Koshi (as I said before) that I was goin to check out superbias past games and try to find if this sort of lurking and sticking votes is alignment indicative because of a past experience I had in ffl2. And I posted the results I found and I was wrong. Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik These are the people who voted bats. I think that SL, Robik had the least amount of reasons to jump on bats. Some of the reasons that they posted were that they were sheeping basically. Eden and myself look the worst because we told everyone who was thinking about jumping to sit and wait for the flip. SL I think would be the scum there especially since he was the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip. I put a spoiler there to condense my post, the only time I mentioned Eden was that Eden and myself looked the worst for telling people to not jump and sit and wait for the flip. So its a bit of a twisting of what I said in my post. I have Eden as town, just pushing mislynches and telling people to stay makes you look bad. It is true that I talked the most about Dr H because I got caught up in a question and went on a filter diving questioning him for a bit then I left for work. So there is that. anyway catching up a bit and @SL, I looked at the four documented games in he database on superbia. Only has 2 mafia games and three town games posted I believe i'm not sure what game he was mafia in that you were in if you want to link me to that one i could expand my thoughts on that a bit but otherwise I just went with what I had. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:36 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, I'll point it out tomorrow and make a case on why he's scum. I am on my phone and quoting is no fun and neither is filter diving. It's possible I'm wrong on him and everything else. Whatevs lol | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Plenty of decent arguments on SL but I think sicklucker's reasoning for voting with his townreads is fine. I can understand it. I've been in plenty of situations near crunch time where I was doubting a lot myself. Hell, even Dr.H switched from his strongest reads to Bats. Feels like a double standard. Yhea, but the argument is not that he was voting with his townreads but how he did it. He went from being SUUUPER confident in his geript read to voting batsnacks solely based on the fact that 4 of his town reads did that. DH on the other hand, was clearly suspicious of batsnacks long before he actually voted him. He clearly states what he disliked about batsnacks at all times as well. I really don't think this comparison is very good. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On January 03 2015 10:52 Eden1892 wrote: Oops missed this. OK, I'm running into a problem here. I know people have already brought this up, but I need you to go over this for me one more time. You said here that you switched your vote because you weren't confident in your d1 reads, but it seems to me that your switch is entirely because of confidence in your d1 reads, and you say as much here. Why the discrepancy between the post I linked and the post I quoted? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
My first game I subbed in day 2 and was in final 3 with subia and some donkey who voted me all game. While not a total lurker sub tacticly checked out of the game at convient times. No idea what hes doing here hes probably medic actually. This is way too much lurk even for him. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: I'm still catching up from work but I just had to stop at this post to correct what is being said. The second post shows that hes not really reading my filter since I explained twice at least to the thread. Koshi asked me what I found similar and to show what games I looked at, I took the time went to all of the documented games and showed what I looked at. Because I said something and was asked in response some questions that I delivered on. The last point however I think isa misrepresentation of what I said + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2015 03:35 Damdred wrote: The point is that, I told Koshi (as I said before) that I was goin to check out superbias past games and try to find if this sort of lurking and sticking votes is alignment indicative because of a past experience I had in ffl2. And I posted the results I found and I was wrong. Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik These are the people who voted bats. I think that SL, Robik had the least amount of reasons to jump on bats. Some of the reasons that they posted were that they were sheeping basically. Eden and myself look the worst because we told everyone who was thinking about jumping to sit and wait for the flip. SL I think would be the scum there especially since he was the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip. I put a spoiler there to condense my post, the only time I mentioned Eden was that Eden and myself looked the worst for telling people to not jump and sit and wait for the flip. So its a bit of a twisting of what I said in my post. I have Eden as town, just pushing mislynches and telling people to stay makes you look bad. It is true that I talked the most about Dr H because I got caught up in a question and went on a filter diving questioning him for a bit then I left for work. So there is that. anyway catching up a bit and @SL, I looked at the four documented games in he database on superbia. Only has 2 mafia games and three town games posted I believe i'm not sure what game he was mafia in that you were in if you want to link me to that one i could expand my thoughts on that a bit but otherwise I just went with what I had. Fair enough. But my point about you focusing on DH stands, as you pointed out yourself. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:41 IAmRobik wrote: Also, regarding keiser, he seems to be contradicting himself a lot. He's making posts asking why I'm town and he makes a post saying that I'm playing like shit but that he TRs me. Like wtf? when did I ask why you are town. you are playing like shit, i don't town read you I dont scum read you apparently you start palying good at some point and I am waiting for that. If you really think I am top scum this game I just dont get you | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:47 KelsierSC wrote: when did I ask why you are town. you are playing like shit, i don't town read you I dont scum read you apparently you start palying good at some point and I am waiting for that. If you really think I am top scum this game I just dont get you You asked twice I believe. Once was to SL if I remember correctly | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:41 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea, but the argument is not that he was voting with his townreads but how he did it. He went from being SUUUPER confident in his geript read to voting batsnacks solely based on the fact that 4 of his town reads did that. DH on the other hand, was clearly suspicious of batsnacks long before he actually voted him. He clearly states what he disliked about batsnacks at all times as well. I really don't think this comparison is very good. I've done something similar once. I tunneled Vivax for a while, Vivax tunneled me and eventually I started reading Vivax strongly as town. Then Promethelax came along and made an emotional appeal on me. I hammered Vivax. People can be influenced even from their strongest reads. Though Dr.H was suspicious of Bats, he clearly favoured a Chyz or Geript lynch as well. | ||
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