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First off disclaimer that this is an angry rant and I mean no disrespect to the LiquidDotA staff when writing this. Forgive the errors as well because this is a blog. --
The purpose of segregating DotA away from TL.net is because you want a site strictly dedicated to Starcraft. That's fine but why are there still other sections such as Smash? The biggest culprit here is the LoL subsection with it's own strategy and tournaments. Why do these sub sections on the website exist for these games and not for DotA or Hearthstone?
Seriously not only does TL.net still offer consistent and quality content over LiquidDotA but so does LiquidHearth and the LoL subforum. What the fuck is going on here? LiquidHearth offers a lot of intensive guides from high profile players like Trump, Amaz and more. TeamLiquid is still offering quality previews and write ups and pro SC2 players still frequent the website and it's community. Do you even get the slightest impression that pros come here and read or interact with the community or site directly on the same level of the other sites? no.
looking at the content in other Liquid sites and coming back here pisses me off. I know I won't win this argument and that Nazghul's stance on the matter will not change but I implore you guys to see the other Liquid sites in terms of content and come back here and tell me your thoughts.
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Well part of that is that Liquid came into a scene that was already really developed and had many other sites. Also TL content is usually made by volunteers so to have better content you have to have people willing to make such content. I agree in terms of content Liquid Dota is massively lacking but that is where we as users need to step up and start making content and covering Tournaments. That being said as much as I would like to help in that way I can't, I just don't have enough time and am in no way a writer. But I am a web developer and so I am working on some ways to help the site in that realm so I guess what I am trying to say is jump in and make this place better!
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YourGoodFriend pretty much got it right.
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i'm pretty sure i can quote nazghul offhandedly that he said something along the lines that the introduction of other games made navigating TL.net an unfriendly experience for newcomers and was one of the key reasons why DotA split from tl.net which made me angry and pissed because those other subsections exist.
this is an angry rant but there's still some rationale behind some of the points i bring up regardless.
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it's Nazgul, not Nazghul 
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On November 20 2014 04:45 teddyoojo wrote:
BRING BACK GD
never forget
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On November 20 2014 05:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
Naz-Gul or Naz-Ghoul?
First one.
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Initially I was annoyed by your post since I like liquiddota.com a lot. But I do see your point. There really haven't been a lot of separate Dota 2 articles/content....every big tournament gets a write-up but there aren't a lot of separate strategy articles.
A lot of it is the nature of the game though. Basic learning articles would be redundant as that stuff is already out there. Plus, the pro experience vs. the pub experience are a lot further apart in Dota 2 vs. Starcraft 2. It's not like you can see a C9 strat and go and reproduce it in your pub games right away.
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Why isn't your icon a meepo if you feel this way?
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I like this site.
I always open all three sites anyway, and I like having the separate calendars and live streams for each.
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i just wanna note that im watching vp polar vs 4asc and im really sad theres no gd where i can comment on the cs difference between bfury am and bfury pa
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Awhile ago I was going to write a detailed blog about why the site sucks and offer a lot of suggestions point by point to help build the site and community. I had all my thoughts drafted in Word and began to expand on why dota content (especially in forums) is challenging and offered varied solutions to all the issues and shortcomings ordered by time and monetary investment required (since I don't know how many resources ld.com has in this regard), when I was struck with the thought of, why bother?
I could have taken hours and hours and finished the blog but I had absolutely zero confidence it wouldn't just fall on deaf ears and be swept away. Why would I put any effort into creating content for a website that didn't even give the appearance that they were making an effort in creating content or community building?
I'm really bummed how LiquidDota turned out as a Liquid fan boy (you should see the 'game room' in my house ~_~) but I've become far too cynical and jaded to care. This is my first post in a dota related thread on this site in 2 weeks, and before that it was another 2 weeks, in this thread http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/467938-sep-26-community-hero-challenge, which the community is still wondering about who won lols.
Admittedly all of my posts near the end of my 'caring' were shit posts, just to see how far I could go. Which clearly isn't a good strategy to use for something you 'care' about but it was damn near impossible to put forth any effort when you saw just about nothing from everyone 'in charge'.
I shall go back into my hole now, bye bye.
edit: To have bit of positivity in post, the calendar owns and is the only reason I ever comeback. :D
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On November 20 2014 04:45 teddyoojo wrote:
BRING BACK GD
Yes, please
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the problem is even if you bring back gd it would never be as it used to be, the magic has left us
there is no coming back.
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I mean, they could honestly just delete the entire forum section, just have the entire screen taken up by the calender, and it wouldn't affect 90% of us users.
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On November 20 2014 06:10 Akfekeht wrote:
this site was dead to me when they killed GD,was the only entertaining thread to post in but the fun police kicked the door in again.The community here doesn't even exist really anymore apart from some IRC and teamspeak groups and thats about it.
The only reason why I come here at all is out of habit(which pisses me off) and to check out streams and schedules.
and yes i started using adblock
This. GD was a lot of fun to follow since there really isn't anything else happening here. Without GD it seems completely dead. I use LD to check the General/Other Games/Sports forums more than I use it to follow Dota.
I may not have ever posted in it and it sure as shit wasn't always about Dota, but at least GD fostered some sort of community on this dead website.
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Whole point of the LiquidDota separation was because everyone thought that Liquid was just a SC2 fan site, or a place for TeamLiquid fanboys. Apparently they thought a domain change would give it broader appeal.
And basically after a full year the Active Users looks about the same. So clearly Fission Mailed.
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