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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
November 25 2014 15:30 GMT
#321
did you hit her?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 25 2014 21:43 GMT
#322
I have to say I ultimately disagree with conglomerating all strategy topics related to a specific hero to a "hero thread." It means any new guides dont get attention, any specific questions often remain unanswered for long periods of times, and discussion becomes very incoherent.

Personally at least, with the introduction of hero threads I no longer had the motivation to write any guides. I thought it would be cool if TL had a set of guides for each hero but the hero threads kinda killed it.
:)
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
November 25 2014 21:46 GMT
#323
Have you tried asking reddit for help? They seem to have a good grasp on these sorts of problems and always find the right solution.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 22:06:27
November 25 2014 22:04 GMT
#324
On November 26 2014 06:43 synapse wrote:
I have to say I ultimately disagree with conglomerating all strategy topics related to a specific hero to a "hero thread." It means any new guides dont get attention, any specific questions often remain unanswered for long periods of times, and discussion becomes very incoherent.

Personally at least, with the introduction of hero threads I no longer had the motivation to write any guides. I thought it would be cool if TL had a set of guides for each hero but the hero threads kinda killed it.

What about labeling the guides with [Guide] (which as been done before) and making a guide index in the strategy forum, or do you think that wouldn't work? Strategy could be split as well by making a subforum (look at main TL for example), but I don't think that would work.
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
November 25 2014 22:05 GMT
#325
On November 26 2014 06:43 synapse wrote:
I have to say I ultimately disagree with conglomerating all strategy topics related to a specific hero to a "hero thread." It means any new guides dont get attention, any specific questions often remain unanswered for long periods of times, and discussion becomes very incoherent.

Personally at least, with the introduction of hero threads I no longer had the motivation to write any guides. I thought it would be cool if TL had a set of guides for each hero but the hero threads kinda killed it.

Hero guides are supposed to be posted in the OP, and if you write a good guide for it, you can probably justify taking over the OP from whoever has it (or just ask for it).

Specific questions are usually pretty good about being answered... not sure what forum you're reading.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 25 2014 22:32 GMT
#326
On November 26 2014 07:05 Jinxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 06:43 synapse wrote:
I have to say I ultimately disagree with conglomerating all strategy topics related to a specific hero to a "hero thread." It means any new guides dont get attention, any specific questions often remain unanswered for long periods of times, and discussion becomes very incoherent.

Personally at least, with the introduction of hero threads I no longer had the motivation to write any guides. I thought it would be cool if TL had a set of guides for each hero but the hero threads kinda killed it.

Hero guides are supposed to be posted in the OP, and if you write a good guide for it, you can probably justify taking over the OP from whoever has it (or just ask for it).

Specific questions are usually pretty good about being answered... not sure what forum you're reading.

I understand how it works, I have 4 or 5 hero threads. Have you noticed that any recent hero guides on heroes that aren't newly released or had big patch changes have gotten maybe 10 posts of comments or criticism? Let's say you post a guide to [Hero] Sniper, and then nobody checks the sniper thread because there's no reason to. Thread gets pushed out of front page very quickly, and this happens to a lot of bumps that deserve their own thread but get shoehorned into "post in sqsa" or "post in hero thread." The hero thread will gather far fewer views and thus far less discussion, and it makes the strategy subforum very stagnant imo.
:)
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 22:54:58
November 25 2014 22:53 GMT
#327
On November 26 2014 06:43 synapse wrote:
I have to say I ultimately disagree with conglomerating all strategy topics related to a specific hero to a "hero thread." It means any new guides dont get attention, any specific questions often remain unanswered for long periods of times, and discussion becomes very incoherent.

Personally at least, with the introduction of hero threads I no longer had the motivation to write any guides. I thought it would be cool if TL had a set of guides for each hero but the hero threads kinda killed it.

Yeah this is something we noted a while ago. Ultimately people don't necessarily come here for guides (and there's a lot of good guides out there on other sites atm) so working on those was deprioritized until we had someone dedicated to work on those. Instead we wanted to focus on improving what we already do pretty well (calendar related stuff mostly). Some of that is near completion and with some new blood working on them we might actually be able to get something launched for a change! Still... if you're volunteering to help make strategy better you know who to talk to
On November 26 2014 06:46 Dubzex wrote:
Have you tried asking reddit for help? They seem to have a good grasp on these sorts of problems and always find the right solution.

It's less about the direction we're going than finding people to make it happen. As I mentioned this is quite a recent thing for me(/us i guess?) since Heyoka only recently left us. Progress is being made though!
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 26 2014 00:11 GMT
#328
is heyoka permagone? initially it sounded like he was just taking some time off to sort out personal issues
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
November 26 2014 00:23 GMT
#329
I for one am happy with the change. I don't care about SC2 anymore, I had to manually remove all SC2 streams, calender entries, forums, to see dota2 related stuff. Lets be honest, LD, JD and so on are mainly used to find streams and to discuss stuff in live report threads, not guides or comments from pros. And that's something LD does very well.

I have visited TL itself maybe twice since LD was launched. Please never merge them again.
fLDm
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 00:54:39
November 26 2014 00:51 GMT
#330
Should stop using this topic (with the dumbest title) to write PR responses and open up a proper thread to facilitate discussion points and collect feedback.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 26 2014 00:58 GMT
#331
On November 26 2014 09:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
Should stop using this topic (with the dumbest title) to write PR responses and open up a proper thread to facilitate discussion points and collect feedback.

I think this thread has been perfectly fine so far in collecting good feedback, don't see much of a problem.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
November 26 2014 04:23 GMT
#332
Just adding another experience - there were basically 3 things that killed my overall interest in Dota (not that I was a super-frequent poster beforehand tho...)
- Death of the Team Liquid Dota2 pro team
- Death of Liquid Dota site feature news articles/coverage/analysis
- (more recently) got a Heroes of the Storm key

Also I'm too antisocial to join the GD and irc clique, or even the Liquid inhouse league group. Reddit, however, is perfect for mindless browsing. The flip side is, even if their site is more active, the discussion is so shallow I don't bother posting. If LD had a renaissance of content I'd be positively motivated to participate.

In any case, 2 of those 3 are perfectly fixable...
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 05:04:16
November 26 2014 05:03 GMT
#333
well TL just picked up another player (sc2) so who knows when if ever there will be a team coming back for TI5
© Current year.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 26 2014 05:06 GMT
#334
^ Heathstone actually

Believe me when I say Naz wants a team at Ti5. Part of that is getting a team that can get to Ti5 in the first place :D
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
November 26 2014 05:15 GMT
#335
On November 26 2014 06:46 Dubzex wrote:
Have you tried asking reddit for help? They seem to have a good grasp on these sorts of problems and always find the right solution.

i've got an idea lets start banning content creators.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 26 2014 10:48 GMT
#336
On November 26 2014 09:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
Should stop using this topic (with the dumbest title) to write PR responses and open up a proper thread to facilitate discussion points and collect feedback.

disagreed this is organic homegrown feedback right here
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
November 26 2014 11:20 GMT
#337
On November 26 2014 19:48 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 09:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
Should stop using this topic (with the dumbest title) to write PR responses and open up a proper thread to facilitate discussion points and collect feedback.

disagreed this is organic homegrown feedback right here

organic costs too much. i prefer GMO
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 26 2014 14:25 GMT
#338
On November 26 2014 14:15 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 06:46 Dubzex wrote:
Have you tried asking reddit for help? They seem to have a good grasp on these sorts of problems and always find the right solution.

i've got an idea lets start banning content creators.

Clearly challenging content creators to 1v1 ban duels is the way to get more stuff on the site. The fear gets their creative juices flowing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 26 2014 14:42 GMT
#339
im not even sure if any content i create would be wanted on this site
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 26 2014 14:55 GMT
#340
On November 26 2014 23:42 Targe wrote:
im not even sure if any content i create would be wanted on this site

im sure the rpg will be well received!
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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