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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 19 2014 23:32 GMT
#61
The thing people want GD back for, in case some of you aren't sure, is to have a go to place to post random dota related shit. A Retard Central if you will. Some place where saying "huehue treant needs buffs" will be met with a "want some graphs with that?". I was considering various alternatives. We could maybe even get an imageboard kinda site going outside of TL, GD sure did feel like a really civil one after all. But in the end what I really miss is being able to f5 subscribed threads and not having to bother with all that "other threads' bs. Nobody went to GD with thread worthy topics anyways. People who think discussing a specific dota issue is worthy it's own topic are probably not someone I wanna discuss with.

Dota isn't serious business. Trust, I would have noticed.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 19 2014 23:38 GMT
#62
merge us back with the main site
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
November 19 2014 23:45 GMT
#63
On November 20 2014 08:32 Qbek wrote:
The thing people want GD back for, in case some of you aren't sure, is to have a go to place to post random dota related shit. A Retard Central if you will. Some place where saying "huehue treant needs buffs" will be met with a "want some graphs with that?". I was considering various alternatives. We could maybe even get an imageboard kinda site going outside of TL, GD sure did feel like a really civil one after all. But in the end what I really miss is being able to f5 subscribed threads and not having to bother with all that "other threads' bs. Nobody went to GD with thread worthy topics anyways. People who think discussing a specific dota issue is worthy it's own topic are probably not someone I wanna discuss with.

Dota isn't serious business. Trust, I would have noticed.


I just had a look at both TL and LH (just to make sure since i havent been active on either site for a while) and none of them had a "retard central". why would it then be needed for LD? TL isn't trying to be 4chan or NAdota. TL has always, for me, been about building something that is more serious than that.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
November 19 2014 23:45 GMT
#64
On November 20 2014 08:38 CorsairHero wrote:
merge us back with the main site

but that isn't the issue and would not make things better. and it just takes away from the sc2 site which is doing well at the moment.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 19 2014 23:52 GMT
#65
On November 20 2014 08:21 crms wrote:
@Sn0_Man


I'm not a stranger to the shortcomings of trying to discuss dota, it's one of the headache inducing challenges of even having a forum related to such a game. I've had hundreds of pointless conversations about why dota is a nightmare for discussion in IRC and what you posted is part of it, but only scratches the surface.

Fortunately, not everything related to content has to be analysis driven. I think TL should have capitalized on the community side and offered more in the ways of community building than game analysis.

Well they tried that with those community hero challenges
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 19 2014 23:52 GMT
#66
oh dear.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 23:54:27
November 19 2014 23:54 GMT
#67
The hero community challenge was fine but it was horribly executed which is why almost no one did the second one.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 19 2014 23:55 GMT
#68
I'm certainly not against the concept
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 20 2014 00:01 GMT
#69
On November 20 2014 08:45 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 08:32 Qbek wrote:
The thing people want GD back for, in case some of you aren't sure, is to have a go to place to post random dota related shit. A Retard Central if you will. Some place where saying "huehue treant needs buffs" will be met with a "want some graphs with that?". I was considering various alternatives. We could maybe even get an imageboard kinda site going outside of TL, GD sure did feel like a really civil one after all. But in the end what I really miss is being able to f5 subscribed threads and not having to bother with all that "other threads' bs. Nobody went to GD with thread worthy topics anyways. People who think discussing a specific dota issue is worthy it's own topic are probably not someone I wanna discuss with.

Dota isn't serious business. Trust, I would have noticed.


I just had a look at both TL and LH (just to make sure since i havent been active on either site for a while) and none of them had a "retard central". why would it then be needed for LD? TL isn't trying to be 4chan or NAdota. TL has always, for me, been about building something that is more serious than that.


The GD community, below the thick layer of being on the internet, was a very serious band of brothers. If you came to my doorstep saying you know me from GD, I'd happily have you as a guest and evem I'd leave my house with you alone in it feeling safe.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:15:55
November 20 2014 00:15 GMT
#70
On November 20 2014 08:23 LeLoup wrote:


Also more mods need to be posting than just Yango. It's really kind of weird that he's one of the only people that you ever see posts from.


This is something worth mentioning.

Yango is really the only mod that ever posts about anything pretty much ever.

Which is odd because I was under the assumption he played League more than Dota.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 20 2014 00:24 GMT
#71
On November 20 2014 05:46 schmitty9800 wrote:
Initially I was annoyed by your post since I like liquiddota.com a lot. But I do see your point. There really haven't been a lot of separate Dota 2 articles/content....every big tournament gets a write-up but there aren't a lot of separate strategy articles.

A lot of it is the nature of the game though. Basic learning articles would be redundant as that stuff is already out there. Plus, the pro experience vs. the pub experience are a lot further apart in Dota 2 vs. Starcraft 2. It's not like you can see a C9 strat and go and reproduce it in your pub games right away.


I'm pretty disappointed in the community in general. Imagine if literally every suggestion on TL was "macro better" (not that that isn't at least half of them :p). It seems that the only advice anyone gives is "last hit better" or "play better scrub".

Still, better than Reddit, I guess.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
November 20 2014 00:24 GMT
#72
I like this site a lot. The Dota focus is excellent. I agree that more articles would be nice, but that is only part of what makes this site.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
November 20 2014 00:24 GMT
#73
isn't yango a top level pokemon trainer
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:32:49
November 20 2014 00:27 GMT
#74
ya not worth
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 20 2014 00:30 GMT
#75
On November 20 2014 08:45 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 08:38 CorsairHero wrote:
merge us back with the main site

but that isn't the issue and would not make things better. and it just takes away from the sc2 site which is doing well at the moment.

wouldnt that make it easier to manage? I don't see how it takes away from the sc2 site. If the hardcore sc2'ers despise dota than they can take it out of the side bar. Putting LD back on the main site increases exposure. Just have a general/strat/tourny section like league. At this point liquidheath has even more active users than LD. Does LD currently have the amount of active users to justify breaking off from TL? LD made sense to me back when liquid dota actually meant there was a pro team associated with it.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:33:25
November 20 2014 00:31 GMT
#76
On November 20 2014 09:24 Kuroeeah wrote:
isn't yango a top level pokemon trainer

Actually yeah, he knows tons about pokemon.

There's something to be said, btw, about having LD away from TL to separate their calenders. Not sure its worth the trade.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:49:40
November 20 2014 00:45 GMT
#77
They were right. Liquid is a Starcraft site. A new domain with the Dota tag doesn't change the fact that it's Liquid and that people will associate it with Starcraft. I don't see what incentive there is for Dota fans that weren't already visitingTL to go to LiquidDota over existing dedicated Dota sites.

I don't think the site sucks, I just don't think there's enough of a LiquidDota fanbase to support voluntary contributions to the point that the site's interesting to visit every day. There's not enough content to come here from a purist learning the Dotars perspective, nor is there enough community bullshit to make it fun to frequent on its own. Which is why I believe it would've been better off on the main TL where there's already an established community.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 00:50:42
November 20 2014 00:47 GMT
#78
Quoted instead of edited, don't change links for hipster reasons
I think esports is pretty nice.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 20 2014 00:52 GMT
#79
On November 20 2014 09:31 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 09:24 Kuroeeah wrote:
isn't yango a top level pokemon trainer

Actually yeah, he knows tons about pokemon.

There's something to be said, btw, about having LD away from TL to separate their calenders. Not sure its worth the trade.

port sc2 calender to be like the LD one and make it more space optimized / enable a disabling function
© Current year.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
November 20 2014 00:54 GMT
#80
On November 20 2014 09:45 Saechiis wrote:
They were right. Liquid is a Starcraft site. A new domain with the Dota tag doesn't change the fact that it's Liquid and that people will associate it with Starcraft. I don't see what incentive there is for Dota fans that weren't already visiting the main site to go LiquidDota over existing dedicated Dota sites.

I don't think the site sucks, I just don't think there's enough of a LiquidDota fanbase to support voluntary contributions to the point that the site's interesting to visit every day. There's not enough content to come here from a purist learning the Dotars perspective, nor is there enough community bullshit to make it fun to frequent on its own. Which is why I believe it would've been better off on the main TL where there's already an established community to fall back on.

The plan wasn't to have a lack of content and community involvement though. Obviously as is having it back on TL makes sense, but the original point was to grow LD's own community into something big one day. Why this hasn't happened has been talked about already in this thread.

Can the site still grow? Of course, but it needs initiative from people who work here full-time and from any volunteers (current or new) that might even have as little as 1-2 hours a week to contribute.
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