This Site Sucks (rant) - Page 6

On November 20 2014 04:45 teddyoojo wrote:
BRING BACK GD

On November 20 2014 07:50 Qbek wrote:

You mean that wretched hive of blatant racism and the only place still living up to the ideas of GD? Yea, nobody should ever go there, it;s horrible!

On November 20 2014 23:35 Laurens wrote:


I can't tell if you're joking or not, but that's pretty much what happened in the one week I entered the IRC.

Blatant nazism/racism/sexism and all the other bad isms, combined with lots of bad jokes about the sexlife of a 14 year old (kollin, fuck knows how he survived in there and what he's turning out to be), and a lot of talk about Planets, a game I don't play and do not care about.

As a regular visitor you probably don't perceive it that way, but don't be surprised when people don't want to join you there

And when this starts happening in the GD thread and 5-page long discussions about the word 'faggot' arise, it's no surprise it gets shut down. At that point the GD thread added zero value to the site and is more likely to turn people away.

On November 20 2014 14:50 Acritter wrote:
Speaking for a moment about strategy. News is a different subject.

DOTA2 is a pretty godawful topic to write strategy guides on. No matter how good you are at writing it up, you've got to expect all your hard work to be invalidated one patch later. Oh, you want to write a section on how to deal with your build's counterpicks? Three months later you'll seem quaint at best and clueless at worst. It isn't the same way for SC2 or Hearthstone. The Blizzard balancing model has its flaws, but it does allow for a lot more stability. As a total scrub, you can take an old SC2 build or Hearthstone netdeck and expect it to perform decently well for you. Hell, for anyone trying to learn Protoss, I still start off teaching them the 4gate as a manageable introduction to the game, and that's been a joke for years. The closest thing we have to something eternal is that "Art of Support" thing. That was fairly solid, and it was solid because it deliberately avoided saying anything specific apart from pull times and the like. But let's be honest. It's almost never by means of learning grand notions of theory and practicing last-hitting ad nauseum that you get good at this game. It's by finding out little tricks to the game and drilling them into muscle memory that you improve.

The only time I can remember seeing a glut of guides for this game was the DotA Allstars days, back on Pendragon's forums before he shut it down in favor of League. And guess what? Most of those guides were terrible! There was no community to speak of, there was no matchmaking, and chances are that outside of inhouse leagues you'd be playing with scrubs and leavers every game. So Merlini's guide to Zeus that taught a bunch of stuff that should be obvious (seriously, by modern standards it was pretty basic) was revelatory in that light. Hell, just reading that stupid-simple guide to Zeus got me to the point where he was my best hero. But those days are gone, because everyone can just subscribe to Torte's builds instead. There's no room for that kind of guide any longer, where the content is basically just skill build and item build with some extra words tossed in. For fairness, though, I will note that the old Warding guide was pretty damn excellent.

So what do we have left? Basically, the tips and tricks. You can't write the kind of detailed guides that we expect out of, say, SC2 build orders for those. It's a totally different field, but it's still really important. Some of them are even impossible to describe. How do you actually know when you have potentially lethal damage, and when do you hold back and run? You can do the math, but generally on the spot you just have a sense for it, and that can't be taught. You might be expecting I have a proper answer for this, after typing it all out, but I don't. It's not an easy problem to solve, not in any way that will get a new audience showing up. Hell, I half expect I'm wrong about all of this, and the real problem is nobody giving a shit.

Whatever. Game is hard.

On November 20 2014 23:55 rabidch wrote:

i think guides are not necessary for strategy discusion these days because as you said, information gets old quickly. whats more is that the truly good people dont really at all want to write guides, and to be honest the days of guides being really revelatory are gone. its not that guides went downhill, its that the advent of dota2 streaming and replays made play styles far more transparent. if you want to learn from the best (for playing in pubs), watching is far easier than reading about it.

so what can be done is that discussion threads are made healthy with knowledgeable people imparting information to the less knowledgeable people without all the bullcrap. of course its hard to keep the bullshit out but thats what strategy mods are theoretically there for

On November 20 2014 23:41 Qbek wrote:

Oh no, it's still happening, this time we talk WoW and hearthstone, kollin's gone, racism is as rampant as ever. I like it.

On November 21 2014 01:37 Targe wrote:


irc is literally wow, hearthstone, racism, complaining about software engineering, ponies and me and comeh plugging our streams

On November 21 2014 01:37 Targe wrote:


irc is literally wow, hearthstone, racism, complaining about software engineering, ponies and me and comeh plugging our streams

On November 21 2014 01:50 Plansix wrote:

It appears I have missed out on nothing by no logging in for a couple months. My tolerance for internet racism is at an all time low right now.

Seriously folks, I like GD as much as everyone else, but that thread turned into a hot mess with terrible shit posting(beyond the normal shit posting and graphs). There are plenty of other things to discuss on the site. I really have no issues with the site as it is and it sort of seems like the same group of 10 people always bring up this topic.

On November 21 2014 01:46 Gosi wrote:

and dreams and rap battles and old man bullying and viper the rapper