EPTThis Site Sucks (rant) - Page 3
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
that said, it was an insular shithole. especially towards the end. | ||
TheEmulator
28087 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:38 Akfekeht wrote: unless your goal is to just make money ofc which im sure this site is well equipped to do,but if you want to be satisfied with this site being associated with just a calender than thats kinda sad to me things need more soul than a sock with a hole We are in no way satisfied with that and the way the site has turned out. We are completely aware of the issues this site has, but when people like me and the others are just volunteers doing this for fun we can't magically make everything amazing. I haven't done a single thing since TI4 because I'm in my final year of uni and figuring out my life. Other people need to step up if they care about the site so much, it's not hard. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:47 PassiveAce wrote: I will miss GD because it let me grow relationships with the people that make up this community outside of the website. The ability to talk about whatever crossed our minds in one central location encouraged friendships that persist today. that said, it was an insular shithole. especially towards the end. I think ur supposed to live in IRC for that or something Which isn't my thing | ||
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PassiveAce
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:48 Sn0_Man wrote: I think ur supposed to live in IRC for that or something Which isn't my thing You mean that wretched hive of blatant racism and the only place still living up to the ideas of GD? Yea, nobody should ever go there, it;s horrible! | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
[edit1] I haven't done a single thing since TI4 because I'm in my final year of uni and figuring out my life. Other people need to step up if they care about the site so much, it's not hard. Why do you put this back on 'the community'? How are we supposed to know mods (aren't you even listed as one of the main editors under Heyoka?) don't have time and can't create content so we should 'step up' and volunteer ourselves? This site isn't ours, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. If LD needs help, they should out reach the community, not the other way around. This is a huge cop-out and doesn't offer any sort of reasonable explanation at the lack of well, anything. [edit2] to be clear, I don't care about the GD thread either, none of my criticisms of the site have anything to do with the GD thread other than the mods thinking closing it would create a more open community, I mean, the tavern was the solution... lol... | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On November 20 2014 04:45 teddyoojo wrote: BRING BACK GD Yes please. LD without GD just isn't the same. Honestly, I check out the media and entertainment section now more often than I do dota stuff. | ||
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TheEmulator
28087 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:56 Sn0_Man wrote: @crms he just answered that by saying "look current staff haven't managed to pump out as much content as we'd like, it's up to the community to step up and generate that content". Thats his perspective on it. Kind of. Not saying it's the communities job or something and that it's their fault for no content, lol. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
But it did. Gd was the only thing keeping me here tbh | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:56 Sn0_Man wrote: @crms he just answered that by saying "look current staff haven't managed to pump out as much content as we'd like, it's up to the community to step up and generate that content". Thats his perspective on it. which is a total cop-out. we get that most everyone is a volunteer, we get that people are busy, but the people who run the site (aka the non volunteers who are paid administrators/owners) need to do a better job of reaching out for help from others or do it themselves. The very notion that users should diagnosis an issues like, 'lack of content because volunteers are busy' and then take it upon themselves to create content to grow the site is pretty fucking retarded. If the goal is to get community involvement, fucking do it, have contests (that you follow through on) post applications for volunteers in areas you need, maximize the efforts that can be done with the staff you have. Don't blame the community for not 'picking up the slack' of lazy, bored or busy volunteers, that's assine. Also, to be clear just because someone is a 'volunteer' doesn't really excuse them from not doing anything or doing things poorly. That of course isn't on the volunteer, but again, on the site managers. [edit 1] On November 20 2014 08:10 TheEmulator wrote: Kind of. Not saying it's the communities job or something and that it's their fault for no content, lol. Emu has clarified his post so the above rant wouldn't necessarily apply to him. | ||
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TheEmulator
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
There are, for example, 6 possible SC2 1v1 head to head matchups. 6(!). Dota (5v5) has literally a bigger number of hero matchups than most people can properly understand. While obviously there are different ways to play each matchup in SC2 depending on map or whatever, even with 100 maps thats still 600 possible scenarios if you will. Dota features millions upon millions. So writing a guide for a given scenario in dota is fucking useless, even though in SC2 it makes for really interesting articles (like the breaking dreampool article that I personally enjoyed a lot even without much knowledge of current builds). SC2 games are also far easier to analyze, both due to length and due to the substantially diminished number of decisions etc. It's usually pretty easy to tell who was ahead when, what they did well, and what they did wrong. In dota, it can be almost impossible to analyze the interaction of 10 people making simultaneous decisions in a fight for example. Even once that analysis is made, the value to an outside observer or especially reader is quite limited. I'm not arguing that valuable content can't be generated, just that it's exceedingly difficult for dota in comparison to other games. Like SC2. And not every tournament features fascinating games or great storylines. To be brutally honest, Reddit is simply a very efficient way of finding games that were exciting (as well as getting headlines on important results etc, less important stuff lives on liquipedia). Not that I watch replays but if I wanted to watch highlights, that is there. Technically Liquiddota could write a "great games" aggregation but even then many people disagree on what makes a good dota game (okay same goes for SC2 games). I guess at that stage you just need writers who have the time and inclination, which is definitely an issue. just some thoughts. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
I've read the entire thread and your post where you said you had a semi-finished "this is why LD sucks and this is how to fix it" is something I think most staff would be interested in seeing. I've been around TL for a long enough time to know that constructive criticism never falls on deaf ears. Even if all you have right now is a unfinished document it's something to work with. In general I think that applies to most replies here. If you give out constructive criticism it will be taken in and at the very least reviewed. Does that mean that the GD thread will be back? No. Does that in turn mean that the tavern is the ultimate solution? Absolutely not. It seems like most people here think changing something on the site goes something like this: Staffmember 1: "Hey lol. We should change X" Staffmember 2: "Meh. I don't give a shit anymore. Do it" Every change you see has been discussed extensevly. There's a thought behind it. Also I'm a bit too lazy to scroll up right now but someone said they wanted the GD thread to discuss bf on am vs. bf on pa. Why not create a separate thread about it? Sure you might now get a 2 month thread with 1000's of replies, but it should turn into a good discussion. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I'm not a stranger to the shortcomings of trying to discuss dota, it's one of the headache inducing challenges of even having a forum related to such a game. I've had hundreds of pointless conversations about why dota is a nightmare for discussion in IRC and what you posted is part of it, but only scratches the surface. Fortunately, not everything related to content has to be analysis driven. I think TL should have capitalized on the community side and offered more in the ways of community building than game analysis. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Also more mods need to be posting than just Yango. It's really kind of weird that he's one of the only people that you ever see posts from. Lastly update your feckin hero index in the strategy forum you sloths. I posted about it months ago, and I bet you haven't even touched it. I even did all the work of getting the links for you as well. Though you're on your own for Techies and Oracle. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On November 20 2014 04:45 teddyoojo wrote: BRING BACK GD yep. except for those fucking graphs LR is the main reason i come to LD and the calender how much did site viewership drop after the team was ditched? | ||
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