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+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2014 13:11 Amiko wrote:Catching up a little now before a late dinner and later bedtime  @27ninjabunnies on Eden (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) This isn't too important but it should be a quick clarification so I'd appreciate it if you did. Eden says you didn't fully answer his question ("What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state?") + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2014 11:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:42 Eden1892 wrote:On April 29 2014 11:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Eden: Reaction testing: yes. Cunning: absolutely. Am I rescinding? No. So what did you learn from this? As I stated earlier, I don't like how he reacted. He claimed mafia, which yeah, I get seems trolly. And sure he may be town, but I've played games where a person has claimed mafia, even voted on themselves, and has lived til final mafia and won as mafia. So as of now, I don't like Yell0w, and until he proves otherwise, I'm keeping my vote on him. What did you learn from this? That you're new to forum mafia and have a chip on your shoulder. This doesn't tell me anything about either of your alignments. You seem genuine enough so far, so I suppose it's not all bad. But you didn't really answer my question. Maybe we're not referring to the same thing. What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state? I think these are the only posts you made between Eden raising the point (that you didn't answer his question) and him giving you a townread: (1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#277(2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#280(3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=15#283I think these posts answered the first part (what was your reaction test?). I don't feel you answered the second part (what did it teach you about the game state?). If you did, could you just quote it and bold the language for me? As an aside, I think your post @Epishade was directed to Epishade, not Eden as you said here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) unless I'm misunderstanding... thew post begins with you answering Epishade's scumread. Were you referring to another post?
@ Amiko
On April 29 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:@Eden: I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder. I know no one in this game besides tamburini. I know no one's play of their mafia or town style. What I am doing here is trying to get reads. My reaction testing was seeing how Yell0w responded to my questioning. I will point out exactly what I said to him. You can check the nested quotes. Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:26 Yell0w wrote:On April 29 2014 11:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote:
I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out to you I said this. On April 29 2014 11:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, @Yell0w
Do you feel mafia talks too much or too little usually?
Because, sqrt is making himself known to everyone. Would you think he would more likely try to blend in rather than stand out as mafia?
Also, include how much mafia games you have played. This will help me read your response to my questions. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote:
So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? Ohhh! You got me, I'm mafia. That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing.
As for my @Epishade post, it was directed to eden, but I messed up the names. Eden asked this
And my response was this
As for not answering the game state question, thank you for pointing that out, I actually didnt answer this. I must have looked over that question focusing on other things. I apologize.
But as the game state has changed since then, imo, I shall nt revisit that, but I can elaborate on the game state now.
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On April 30 2014 13:43 Yell0w wrote:
@Eden
I answered all of your points in either my response to you or in other posts, restating your points again doesn't mean I have to answer again, actually counter-argue my arguments and I might reply to you, please don't just link to another logical fallacy without saying anything.
I just asked you why you weren't engaging anyone and you ignored it. Still have. It's because you're caught and don't have a good answer.
Y'all seriously kill this man.
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On mTamburini:
I feel the core of suspicion on mtamburini is that he voted for yell0w after ninjabunnies moved off of him. From my point of view, that action is not scummy for these reasons:
(1) I think ninjabunnies’ push on yell0w was fine. I mean, I wasn’t about to lynch yell0w for those early posts, but the inconsistency (even if it was a joke) was a fine thing to push him on.
(2) tamburini voted for yell0w after bunnies moved her vote off of him. To me, this doesn’t really seem like a mafia play. I usually think scum would want to join a growing lynch to give it support, but here tamburini seems to want to re-open a case that doesn’t seem to have support. This doesn’t feel scummy to me.
(3) I think tamburini had a fine reason to bring new pressure to yell0w. I don’t feel like yell0w asking “What was the ideal response?” is strongly scum indicative, but again, it’s something I feel pressure.
That said, I need more from mtamburini's - his posts so far have been too focused on yell0w. If he wants to push a lynch, that’s fine, but I want to see some interactions with other players. If yell0w isn't the lynch, it'll be tough to draw new conclusions on mtamburini because he hasn't weighed in on some of the other players.
@mtamburini: Please comment on Eden. In particular, could you discuss Eden’s case on yell0w?
Also, is there anything about the timing of Eden's case on yell0w that strikes you as unusual? (I haven't reread enough to decide for sure whether there is, but I think there might be)
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On April 30 2014 13:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2014 13:11 Amiko wrote:Catching up a little now before a late dinner and later bedtime @27ninjabunnies on Eden (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) This isn't too important but it should be a quick clarification so I'd appreciate it if you did. Eden says you didn't fully answer his question ("What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state?") + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2014 11:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:42 Eden1892 wrote:On April 29 2014 11:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Eden: Reaction testing: yes. Cunning: absolutely. Am I rescinding? No. So what did you learn from this? As I stated earlier, I don't like how he reacted. He claimed mafia, which yeah, I get seems trolly. And sure he may be town, but I've played games where a person has claimed mafia, even voted on themselves, and has lived til final mafia and won as mafia. So as of now, I don't like Yell0w, and until he proves otherwise, I'm keeping my vote on him. What did you learn from this? That you're new to forum mafia and have a chip on your shoulder. This doesn't tell me anything about either of your alignments. You seem genuine enough so far, so I suppose it's not all bad. But you didn't really answer my question. Maybe we're not referring to the same thing. What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state? I think these are the only posts you made between Eden raising the point (that you didn't answer his question) and him giving you a townread: (1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#277(2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#280(3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=15#283I think these posts answered the first part (what was your reaction test?). I don't feel you answered the second part (what did it teach you about the game state?). If you did, could you just quote it and bold the language for me? As an aside, I think your post @Epishade was directed to Epishade, not Eden as you said here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) unless I'm misunderstanding... thew post begins with you answering Epishade's scumread. Were you referring to another post? @ Amiko
Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:@Eden: I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder. I know no one in this game besides tamburini. I know no one's play of their mafia or town style. What I am doing here is trying to get reads. My reaction testing was seeing how Yell0w responded to my questioning. I will point out exactly what I said to him. You can check the nested quotes. On April 29 2014 11:26 Yell0w wrote:On April 29 2014 11:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote:
I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out to you I said this. On April 29 2014 11:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, @Yell0w
Do you feel mafia talks too much or too little usually?
Because, sqrt is making himself known to everyone. Would you think he would more likely try to blend in rather than stand out as mafia?
Also, include how much mafia games you have played. This will help me read your response to my questions. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote:
So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? Ohhh! You got me, I'm mafia. That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing. As for my @Epishade post, it was directed to eden, but I messed up the names. Eden asked thisAnd my response was thisAs for not answering the game state question, thank you for pointing that out, I actually didnt answer this. I must have looked over that question focusing on other things. I apologize. But as the game state has changed since then, imo, I shall nt revisit that, but I can elaborate on the game state now.
Ok let me explain this better.
Eden reads you as his top town on page 15 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=15#284).
The post you are referring to is on page 17.
So, when Eden read you as his top town, he didn't have that answer from you yet. When he read you as his top town, he should have still thought you had not answered his question.
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The two persons I suspect the most have either ignored me or they didn't answer questions asked at them and disappeared, what else am I supposed to do, force them to answer? I talked about Sweetfrost a bunch, people seemed to disagree with me and he ignored me and tamburini disappeared when people started questioning his actions. Well, he did reappear for a few seconds to make a sarcastic reply and leave again.
I engaged both of those people and I don't think you can deny that.
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EBWOP (had not fully answered the second part of his question)
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@Yellow: I put something up on mtamburini a little bit ago (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=25#483). If you have any thoughts on it would you post them?
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@Amiko
So are you saying he is scummy for calling me town, even if I didn't fully answer his question?
I'm actually not entirely sure where this conversation stemmed from, or where you are trying to go with this questioning. Maybe I have missed something from your posts, and I apologize.
It is pretty late, and I shall be hitting the bed soon. I know tomorrow, we need to make a lynch. Hopefully we will see more posts from the lurkers.
As of now, I'll try and post here and there if need be.
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@amiko
The fact he voted against me right after bunnies unvoted me is the only reason I'm not 100% convinced he's mafia, I think he's mafia for his attitude after voting against me and the fact he still hasn't answered bunnies' questions. Also he felt to me like Sweetfrost was just agreeing with him for no reason, so they felt like mafia partners to me. But, just to make it clear, I agree with your number 2 points there, that is a weird mafia play, but still possible, especially since he claimed town leader, so he needs to appear like he's leading town by pushing lynch.
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On April 30 2014 14:07 Amiko wrote:
So, when Eden read you as his top town, he didn't have that answer from you yet. When he read you as his top town, he should have still thought you had not answered his question.
When she told me that the vote wasn't part of the reaction test I decided her reaction test wasn't really worth looking at any further. It struck me as the prototypical "reaction test" inexperienced players tend to use, where they suspect someone already, press their suspect on a minor point and scumread the answer no matter what it is because of confirmation bias. I read her town at the time independent of that question and decided the question wasn't worth pursuing further, so I dropped it.
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@sqrt re: Who I feel is town
I don't really call people "clear" unless I feel they are proven town. Rather, I will just comment on who I don't want to lynch today, some of that is because people seem townie.
I do not think I would not lynch the following players today:
bunnies: I thought the early push on yell0w was fine, and the subsequent questions on Epishade and mtamburini felt like things I would ask. Responses seem good, and I like that she is reading other posts to try to clarify things. Feel good about her as town right now, not a d1 lynch for me.
sqrt: Yeah, you're in this one buddy - my concern on your play is that although you have developed some players as potential scumreads, I don't see you strongly pushing on those players yet. However, you've been active in the game, and responsive. So, you are not a lynch for me day 1. That said, some of your reads are still weird to me.
I thought someone asked this but rereading I was confused-
@sqrt: How did you see meat as town? I feel like he posted next to nothing when you read him
Epishade: Epishade is less town to me than sqrt or bunnies, but right now I don't think I would want to lynch him. I felt his early defense was reasonable... I feel he focused a little too much time on yell0w, but it seemed fine given that the thread has given so much attention to yell0w. Moving forward, I'd like to see epishade focus tamburini more if tamburini is his highest scumread, I may reevaluate based on how he goes..
I can't say I have a well-based townread on other players yet. I'll try to take a better look at dfs/ritoky/ashwtini/sweetfrost - these players have given some posts but not enough to stick out in my mind beyond that (in contrast to other players have given posts that I know are insufficient to give reads like meat).
I think when I read ritoky I felt good about his posts (even though he scumread epishade), but I am getting a little too sleepy to adequately think through them.
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On April 30 2014 14:19 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 14:07 Amiko wrote:
So, when Eden read you as his top town, he didn't have that answer from you yet. When he read you as his top town, he should have still thought you had not answered his question. When she told me that the vote wasn't part of the reaction test I decided her reaction test wasn't really worth looking at any further. It struck me as the prototypical "reaction test" inexperienced players tend to use, where they suspect someone already, press their suspect on a minor point and scumread the answer no matter what it is because of confirmation bias. I read her town at the time independent of that question and decided the question wasn't worth pursuing further, so I dropped it.
Hahaha, this made me laugh. Inexperienced. Not in the slightest.
It is a reaction test I have used many times and found mafia with it.
It wasn't that I immediately suspected him. I found a flaw in his posts, pointed it out, and he reacted badly.
I didn't scumread the answer no matter what as you put. I rescinded later in my read.
But I got the read from it.
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@amiko
So who are your scumreads? Is it still me and Eden?
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I didn't phrase that as precisely as I'd have liked. What I meant is that you were already suspecting him, and so your test was designed with an innate bias toward finding him suspicious.
It's a moot point now, obviously I found Yell0w suspicious anyway in the end and I'm satisfied with your play for the moment.
Amiko, I like the precision of your questions, but where are they going?
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On April 30 2014 14:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Amiko
So are you saying he is scummy for calling me town, even if I didn't fully answer his question?
I'm actually not entirely sure where this conversation stemmed from, or where you are trying to go with this questioning. Maybe I have missed something from your posts, and I apologize.
It is pretty late, and I shall be hitting the bed soon. I know tomorrow, we need to make a lynch. Hopefully we will see more posts from the lurkers.
As of now, I'll try and post here and there if need be.
Yes - that was one of the two points I raised on him earlier (the other was regarding his voting).
It was important for me to understand you on this because if you had answered Eden fully, it would mean one of my points was invalid (and make me feel better about Eden). Anyway, Eden did post a response to it so I'm content to move to other points for now, I think I need to go through his case on yell0w but I would like to see mtamburini to post on it, first.
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On April 30 2014 14:40 Yell0w wrote:
@amiko
So who are your scumreads? Is it still me and Eden?
Yes, though I'd say sweetfrost is more scummy and you are less scummy than the last time I mentioned it. My feelings on Eden/mtamburini depend a little on mtamburini's reads on Eden, so I can get back to you on that maybe.
I am somewhat willing to vote off MysteryMeat... if I knew we had a vigilante, I'd much prefer him as a vigi-shot to a lynch, though. I am okay with him dying because if he's following the thread and has nothing to comment on, I think he is not useful. There's certainly things to talk about - there has been suspicion on quite a few players and he hasn't weighed in.
I'd prefer a vig-shot him to lynching just because I think lynching sweetfrost/yell0w/eden is more likely to give information (which might help inform town night actions). I don't know if we don't have a vigilante, though, so lynching him is acceptable to me, mostly as a policy lynch.
I haven't given adequate time to dfs/ritoky/ashwtini/dravernor so that'll be my goal for tomorrow, I think.
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Vote (slave) count:
Sweetfrost (0): Eden1892
epishade (0): Eden1892, Eden1892
sqrtofneg1 (1): Sweetfrost
dfs (0): Eden1892
Yell0w (2): 27ninjabunnies, mtamburini, Eden1892
Not voting (10): epishade, ashwtini, Amiko, dfs, mysterymeat1, sqrtofneg1, ritoky, Yell0w, dravernor, 27ninjabunnies
Currently, Yell0w is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, May 01 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +ERROR: Eden1892 voted invalid player Eden ( post) WARNING: Eden1892 unvoted without vote ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies unvoted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Sweetfrost ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Sweetfrost ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Epishade (epishade) ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted epishade ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Epishade (epishade) ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted epishade ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted dfs ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted dfs ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted Yell0w ( post) ERROR: sqrtofneg1 voted invalid player Eden ( post) VOTE: Sweetfrost voted sqrtofneg1 ( post)
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On April 30 2014 14:41 Eden1892 wrote:
I didn't phrase that as precisely as I'd have liked. What I meant is that you were already suspecting him, and so your test was designed with an innate bias toward finding him suspicious.
It's a moot point now, obviously I found Yell0w suspicious anyway in the end and I'm satisfied with your play for the moment.
Amiko, I like the precision of your questions, but where are they going?
I can give examples:
- I asked sqrt about his prior game because I figured if he was looking at his prior game, it might be to copy his town meta.
- I asked sqrt about his reads on epishade and meat because I felt he didn't provide an adequate explanation for those reads so I want to see if he has one. I felt sqrt didn't provide much justifications for his reads in his prior games and it was one reason he got mislynched, so I want to ensure I question him on his reads to understand his play better.
- I asked mtamburini about leadership qualities to see if he would follow through with the descriptions he gave through the game. Not likely to be something worth revisiting for a day or two
- I asked mtamburini to comment on your case on yell0w because I have some questions on mtamburini's alignment and the two of you have indirect but similar plays this game when it pertains to yell0w.
- I asked bunnies about whether town needs a leader because she knows tamburini and commented on it, and (personally) I feel leaders are more important in video/in-person mafia where only one person can talk at a time.
- I asked yell0w about his thoughts on ninjabunnies to follow up on his confusion re: her push onto him. Initially he suggested she was scum, but when I pushed him he seemed to back away and say he wasn't sure, it could be town or scum. I think he did the same thing with you, Eden, I'd have to check to make sure.
etc etc.
Some questions are to get people I feel aren't talking into the game (as with questions to ashwtini and sweetfrost)
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Ok, so I've been looking through filters for a while now, and have come up with my likely scumteam candidates: Sweetfrost, Tamburini, and Ritoky. I'll give my reasoning.
The main thing that I can see between these three is that all of them are pushing really hard for Yellow's lynch, but also clearing each other at the same time.
Sweetfrost clears Ritoky as town and is trying to kill Yellow while attempting to discredit Bunny (and Sqrt) through these posts.
On April 30 2014 05:43 Sweetfrost wrote:
I can understand that it seems supicious that I don't want to voice an opinion on everyone in the game but since I'm not really sure what I think about the people I haven't talked about I feel it would be stupid to talk about them. I'm not going to give an state an opinion that I actually don't belive in.
But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum.
So to sum it up.
Cleared : ritoky
Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt
On April 30 2014 04:57 Sweetfrost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 04:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Other than your yellow read, what are your reads, @sweetfrost? Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts. As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow.
Sweetfrost's plan was to undermine Bunny by saying that he thought she was trying too hard to play townie. I disagree and think Bunny was moving town in the right direction by engaging Yellow in that initial push.
Ritoky has been slightly accusatory against Sqrt, which is in line with Sweetfrost's opinion on Sqrt as well, as shown in the post above. They are slowly building up support against Sqrt to lynch him at a later time it seems to me.
On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
sqrt:I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.
My biggest problem with Ritoky though, is how quickly he changed his opinion on Yellow. He first decided that Yellow was likely not Scum when it seemed that pressure had been taken off Yellow. However, when Yellow was pressured again and started piggybacking off of what I said earlier, I think he saw an opportunity to bandwagon people against Yellow.
On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote:
I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure.
^Ritoky said this before Yellow got suspicion on him again. His wording here is what throws me off a bit. "I don't think Yellow is scum right now at all." He says this when pressure starts dropping off of yellow. Then, a little later on, Yellow is put back in the spotlight. Eden votes for Yellow, then Ritoky decides to join in by saying he isn't opposed to a lynch. I think he thought that, with other public support against Yellow outside of mafia, he'd be able to bandwagon against Yellow as the first lynch.
On April 30 2014 13:15 ritoky wrote:
@yellow: Regarding your opinion on mtamburini, it may just be a difference of opinion. But you were highly defensive and highly concerned with appearance. And I think it is very right that you are pressured heavily based on that fact.
Regarding what you said about sqrt, I could not agree more with "he did seem to be trying to start conversations when there wasn't one, I just don't think he was doing anything when there was one". And in my mind he just did it again. He said there is nothing going on when you and I were clearly interacting. He just seems to be waiting for everyone else to play the game so that he can pick the winning side. Again, maybe it's a stylistic thing cuz basically nothing he says seems town to me so far, but I just can't find any reason to put him on the good side of the tracks
Here is where he attempts to discredit Sqrt.
Tamburini has been desperately trying to kill Yellow way too hard.
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response? Wow... Just wow... Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w
I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. This sounds like a flimsy excuse to me to lynch someone. Obviously town SHOULD care that they appear townie. You want to try everything possible to stop from getting lynched. Acting town AS A TOWNIE is the best way to accomplish that. He even continues his assault below.
On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response? Wow... Just wow... Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table. It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie. Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.
I believe Tamburini was trying to get Bunny back on Yellow's case so that she might rally other people in support against Yellow so that he and his group would be able to vote for Yellow with the majority of Town.
On April 30 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote:
@sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them.
What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far. I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too) Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else?
When dfs comes into the thread and says something against Sqrt, Tamburini says "I like this fellow" and basically nothing else. Once again, he's working one small step at a time to get support against Sqrt with his team. Then he asks dfs what he thinks about Yellow and/or anyone else. He doesn't just say "Can you give more details on anyone?" He makes sure to include Yellow outside of that 'anyone else' so that dfs would be more likely to respond specifically on Yellow. Then, if dfs thought that Yellow was scum, Tamburini would have even more support to lynch Yellow.
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I believe that Eden had some good reads to come up with on Yellow (like that he wasn't actively scumhunting) that led to him arriving to vote at Yellow at his own discretion. I still wouldn't classify Eden as scum, but I do disagree with his vote.
tldr:
I think Tamburini, Ritoky, and Sweetfrost are all scum for a couple of factors. They all want to get rid of Yellow. They've shown distrust in me and Bunny, whom I would consider the most town player here so far. They have cleared each other at different times (Tamburini as an exception, hasn't cleared Ritoky and Sweetfrost, but has been cleared by them). And, they've all shown support against Sqrt as well, which I assume is to lynch him easier down the road.
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On April 30 2014 09:47 Epishade wrote:
@Meat
Haven't heard from you all day and you barely posted yesterday. When you finally do post, it's just to tell us not to worry and that you've been reading up with all of us, just didn't have anything to add.
When you say you don't have anything to add, it sounds pretty scummy to me. Either you think that you can sit back and watch as us townies accuse the wrong people and lynch each other, or you don't want to help town by offering your thoughts on something. In either case, it doesn't look good. I'd suggest you post what you're currently thinking/scumreads or townreads. Lurking doesn't help town.
Its more like all my shit is due tomorrow night. Then i have free time
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