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Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people.
tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's.
epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise.
bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of.
yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch.
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.
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On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow.
why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on.
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And where were you the last couple of hours? You were active during that time last game.
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On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow. why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on.
Exactly. Early on. Now, he's not.
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On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.
It's a stylistic thing. Look at my other games.
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On April 30 2014 05:32 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote:On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow. why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on. Exactly. Early on. Now, he's not.
you don't think that there is even a possibility that epishade bailed from the sinking ship that is a mafia partner going down in flames?
I am not saying it is a likelihood, but the fact that you don't even have that in your mind as a possibility concerns me.
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On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people.
tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's.
epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise.
bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of.
yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch.
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.
So, you are putting me more neutral because of a BW lynch? I'm not trying to get a BW lynch going. A BW lynch didn't even happen. I unvoted, and then ttamburini, and now Eden, have voted on Yellow. So the idea of a BW lynch is irrelevant.
Your reads, while have backing, are a bit odd to me, tbh.
I'll need to hear fro you more.
On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow. why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on.
However, I do like how you pointed this out.
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On April 30 2014 05:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:32 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote:On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow. why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on. Exactly. Early on. Now, he's not. you don't think that there is even a possibility that epishade bailed from the sinking ship that is a mafia partner going down in flames? I am not saying it is a likelihood, but the fact that you don't even have that in your mind as a possibility concerns me.
It's pretty darn unlikely. But possible.
I'm willing to bet that it's not them.
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On April 30 2014 05:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
And where were you the last couple of hours? You were active during that time last game.
It's the most wonderful time of the year. Finals and a big career move are eating a lot of my time.
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I can understand that it seems supicious that I don't want to voice an opinion on everyone in the game but since I'm not really sure what I think about the people I haven't talked about I feel it would be stupid to talk about them. I'm not going to give an state an opinion that I actually don't belive in.
But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum.
So to sum it up.
Cleared : ritoky
Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt
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On April 30 2014 05:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people.
tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's.
epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise.
bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of.
yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch.
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. So, you are putting me more neutral because of a BW lynch? I'm not trying to get a BW lynch going. A BW lynch didn't even happen. I unvoted, and then ttamburini, and now Eden, have voted on Yellow. So the idea of a BW lynch is irrelevant. Your reads, while have backing, are a bit odd to me, tbh. I'll need to hear fro you more.
No, you misread that. I think that everything you're doing is very town thus far, but from my pov you have a lot of people putting their ducks in a row behind you very early on; which is something I am simply wary of. When the majority of people start agreeing on a lot of what 1 person says early on it either means that town is very right, or being helped down a bad path. So while I like what you are doing and am leaning town on you, I am simply wary. That is all.
And what of my reads don't you like?
We have the opposite opinion, from what I can tell, of what tamburini did. And I think it will take quite a lot to make me get over how hard epishade was deflecting and setting himself up in a contrarian position.
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Since I have the opinion that one either Yellow or Bunny is town I'm not going to take a chance and cast my vote on one of them, instead I'm going to cast my vote on sqrt for now.
##Vote: sqrtofneg1
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@ninjabunnies Please elaborate on what is so odd about ritoky's reads. His reads are the most straightforward I feel.
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On April 30 2014 05:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people.
tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's.
epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise.
bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of.
yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch.
sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. So, you are putting me more neutral because of a BW lynch? I'm not trying to get a BW lynch going. A BW lynch didn't even happen. I unvoted, and then ttamburini, and now Eden, have voted on Yellow. So the idea of a BW lynch is irrelevant. Your reads, while have backing, are a bit odd to me, tbh. I'll need to hear fro you more. No, you misread that. I think that everything you're doing is very town thus far, but from my pov you have a lot of people putting their ducks in a row behind you very early on; which is something I am simply wary of. When the majority of people start agreeing on a lot of what 1 person says early on it either means that town is very right, or being helped down a bad path. So while I like what you are doing and am leaning town on you, I am simply wary. That is all. And what of my reads don't you like? We have the opposite opinion, from what I can tell, of what tamburini did. And I think it will take quite a lot to make me get over how hard epishade was deflecting and setting himself up in a contrarian position.
Sorry, let me explain. Your reads, while I think they are really good, just don't settle right in my gut. I could be wrong, and that's fine, hence why I think I need to get more of a read on you.
I am not intentionally trying to lead town down a wrong road. I am pressuring and asking questions I think is relevant to finding the mafia hiding among this town. I agree that having people agree behind me makes me a little wary, but mafia can easily buss their partner, especially when they feel they can't dig him out of the hole he buried himself in. I'm not saying yell0w has done so, or is for sure mafia, but this is what I feel.
and if so, it could be a epishade/yell0w team, if yell0w was mafia. Epishade hard defended, then pulled off his defense, as if he knew yell0w was going down.
Again none of these reads are for sure, but speculation.
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@Sweet- read the above post
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Still catching up so context might be lacking, but browsing filters:
- Still feeling good about bunnies. I'll get back to what I was asking her about mtamburini when I'm done rereading (assuming where I was going with it is still relevant).
- Sweetfrost's filter is horrendous, but I'm not sure what it means yet because it's hard to envision Sweetfrost and Yell0w both being scum right now.
- mtamburini is... ehh. His more recent posts have been okay, and he's been on Yell0w's case a lot, which is good, but there's not a lot of useful content in his filter. Not sure I want to call him town yet but he's trending that way in his filter.
- dravernor is sketchy, and I think he makes sense as Yell0w's teammate. Aside from "my that Yell0w fell0w sure seems to be the topic of attention wouldn't you say my friends" and "I really don't think the Yell0w fell0w is mafia chaps" he's not taken firm stances on people and has made it a point to say that no one is really acting suspicious (which I think is patently false).
- ahswtini had a good post here but I don't like the lack of commitment to any stances on people. Kinda in the same boat as dravernor if not for the post I just highlighted. He's not really distinguishing himself from the crowd. Null.
- MysteryMeat1 is inactive as hell and hasn't posted anything but applause lights when he has posted seriously. I'm fine with frying him.
- dfs seems fine. Wish he were more active but otherwise I don't have any real complaints, nothing's jumping out. His initial summary post irked me but he's since developed it and asked some questions based off of it.
- Yell0w is scum.
- Epishade still feels like he could be Yell0w's partner, but he's active and I think I read too much into his posts last night and saw something that wasn't actually there. The only major mark I have against him is that he's remaining noncommittal about Yell0w. It's weird that he says he's "not against the lynch yet" wrt Yell0w, but he was already actively defending him against the lynch last night. If Yell0w is town (and I don't think he is, but for sake of argument), then I'll move Epishade to my town pile. If Yell0w is scum then I can't ignore my intuition telling me "kill this guy."
- Amiko is town, just wrong about me. I think this one's pretty self-evident, he's asking good questions and making cases. If anyone actually disagrees with this then I can elaborate but I don't think this merits a lot of discussion right now.
sqrt's filter is too long and ritoky's too substantial for me to break down right now, I'm about to be gone for a little while. I'm not lynching sqrt today anyway (rule of thumb: never lynch the most outspoken person). I'll read through ritoky's stuff later.
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Oops, forgot the tl;dr.
tl;dr:
- kill Yell0w
- kill Epishade if Yell0w is scum, otherwise he's probably okay
- dravernor, ahswtini, MysteryMeat1, Sweetfrost are good other scum targets
- mtamburini needs to do more
- everyone else I'm fine with
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Don't worry Eden, i've been reading posts
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That doesn't make any of us feel any better about you.
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I just feel like there isn't really anything to be said
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