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Blazinghand
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austinmcc
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Hapahauli
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Vote Count! Palmar (3) - Caller (1) - Geript (1) - VisceraEyes (2) - Caller, strongandbig prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (6) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, Cephiro (1) - prplhz Foolishness (1) - Sandroba Oatsmaster (1) - Austinmcc Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes until lynch. 12 votes are needed to lynch. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
1) Posting behavior when mafia His mafia filters here and here are characterized by long posts where he feels the need to explain everything he's thinking. If you scroll through them you notice that his average post length is a good 4 lines or so and there are plenty of posts with chunks of paragraphs. Much similar to what's going on this game. In his town games however, his posting is more sporadic and concise. Look here and here and here. You'll notice immediately that a vast majority of his posts are one-liners. Of course he still has the long posts but they are few in number. The key here is that when he's town he doesn't feel the need to explain absolutely everything and he's perfectly fine with just posting whatever whimsical idea comes into his head via a one-liner. 2) Reaction to getting lynched When he got lynched as town in Boardwalk he was really pissed about it: On April 15 2013 11:33 strongandbig wrote: i already went into that. checks tonight should be on oatsmaster, RO, and me. (but you guys are being stupid). I think you all are morons for lynching me; sure, if you guess correctly and i'm scum, then we can end the game a bit faster, but the safe way for town to play is to keep all the dts alive until we can check everyone. the fact that all you impulsive morons (geript, mocsta, vivax, etc) don't see this makes perfect sense to me, but the fact that keirathi doesn't see the sense in this worries me. There are more posts like that in the game where he calls everyone stupid for wanting to lynch him. Yet in this game is reaction to getting lynched is: On April 27 2014 23:12 strongandbig wrote: Meh If people are going to call me scum for including nuance and being honest in my description of my thought process so be it Let me tlmafia it up for you, I'll feign certainty and reduce the actual explanation That's hardly the level of enthusiasm I'd expect out of him. If I recall in Sicilian mafia he kinda just rolled over when it came time to lynch him. He'd still post and refute the claims but he was hardly aggressive about it. On Palmar: I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game: On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote: Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments. 1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend. 2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today. 3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort. ##vote strongandbig Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later. On prphlz: I don't want this to be forgotten later, but this guy spent 5 posts over-explaining why Caller is an idiot. Check prphlz's filter and look at this first five posts or so, I've put them in a spoiler here since it's a bit long: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 21:20 prplhz wrote: First of all, because we have a posting limit this game, can people please answers questions posted at them? It's going to be a waste of posts to post questions several times just because some asshole ignores them. Doesn't even matter if you think the questions are important, the only reason you should ever not answer a question from someone else in this thread is if you have a firm scum read on them AND you are short on time. ##Vote Caller I am voting Caller because what Caller has done so far points at him being scum. He has fired a pretty much random nuke 10 posts into the game at someone who didn't post yet and you could not reasonably expect to have posted yet. It's a completely random nuke. We all agree that Caller is sometimes a little off but we also agree that he's a smart guy. And smart guys don't do this if they are town because there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. I think that Caller is scum who thought "Fuck it, I'll nuke somebody and hide behind my crazy reputation" because that's much more likely than Caller being town and thinking "Fuck it". It seems like everybody is second guessing themselves on the Caller issue. @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. @BlazingHand @Oatsmaster Please explain why you think Caller is town. On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. On April 26 2014 23:52 prplhz wrote: So you're admitting that what you did was exceedingly dumb? My out for you was pretty much that you explained why what you did was town motivated but instead you're going with the "Look at me, I'm crazy Caller doing crazy stuff! Don't lynch me when I nuke random people for no reason, I'm just that crazy!"-defense and as I already said, I don't buy that. You didn't play in that game, you hosted that game. No idea where you're going with this but it seems that you're not giving two fucks about this game, more scum points for you. On April 27 2014 00:59 prplhz wrote: Palmar's alignment doesn't even matter. You don't join a game thinking "I'll fuck this up good". You just don't do that. Even if you're a lunatic, Chezinu or Alakaslam, you join thinking "I'll catch some scum, I'll do good, I'll be a good townie" but that's not what he's doing. I get the "too dumb to be scum" argument but it doesn't apply here. That argument applies when people do stuff like having a dumb scum reads. For example "he's scum for posting a smiley" or something like that, and it's not really "too dumb to be scum" it's "too paranoid not to be town". This is too dumb to be town because no one would ever do this as town, ever. And the "1for1 2dumb4scum" argument is not good, the reason it is not good is because of how much we're arguing about it now. It's simply not a 1 for 1 if you can get away with it and you can evidently get away with it with how much we disagree on it. VisceraEyes' argument that a scum Caller would shoot Foolishness/Ace is okay. I like it. I don't buy it though, Caller could easily have thought "Well, I wouldn't get away with nuking one of those guys!". You cannot reason about the motivation of a scum. Caller is scum for doing something no townie would ever do. This isn't a "that read is a little off, I don't think townies would do that", this is a guy shooting another guy 5 posts into the game. Caller even admitted that it was exceedingly dumb and he hinted that he thinks his meta permits him to get away with it. Townies don't do things they think is dumb just because they believe their meta allows them to do it without getting lynched. Completely scum. The problem I have with prphlz is that he spends so much time overemphasizing that Caller is scummy for what he did. Let's be straight: everyone, including Caller, knows that what he did is super scummy. I don't think anyone is refuting that and Caller even semi-admitted it himself in one of his posts. The fact is you spent 5 posts and many paragraphs telling the town that Caller is stupid/mafia and needs to die for it. There is no need to do this to the extent you did, especially when there's a few suspicious people sheeping along on the Caller read. Furthermore is your vote post here On April 28 2014 01:18 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Cephiro His filter is 1 post long and it's a boring list post that doesn't show real interest in thinking about and solving the game. I don't like the case on strongandbig. I simply think he's trying and that's a rare quality in this town. which is on someone who's definitely not getting lynched today. I've already had the liberty of going through Cephiro's past games. He hasn't been mafia in a while and when he is he's very apathetic in his play, while his town posts are very definitive thoughts that he's having. Based on his one post so far this game he's probably town, but a read on him later in the game will tell for sure. Really it's simple, in a day or two ask yourself, "has Cephiro been trying to help the town?" If yes, then town. If no, then kill with fire. Don't need to over-think him. And I'm also wondering why you spent paragraphs telling us Caller is scummy and needs to die and now you're going after someone like Cephiro? The actions aren't congruent. There are a bunch of people that need to take responsibility for sheep votes or for unexplained votes. In no particular order, and I could be missing a few, these people are: prphlz, VE, strongandbig, oatsmaster | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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justanothertownie
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You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess. ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 28 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: at the very least I think one of palmar or snb has to be scum with the way the votes are going and the way they are being placed so thats good. dont mind a 1 for 1 trade. I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow. I really don't like VA this game. He is too invested/seems to give a fuck and he already does connection cases/sets up future lynches. Seems like an agenda to me. The town VA I know doesn't have an agenda. He cares more about the correctness of his reads while this VA does not care who of snb and palmar is in fact scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
##unvote ##vote SnB | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: I like that post from Foolishness. Few comments: You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess. ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts. What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Just some questions for Foolishness: If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? Why is Cephiro definitely not getting lynched today? And why do you think I should know this? Your meta on Cephiro is also wrong, check out Cell Mini Mafia for Cephiro's latest game and his latest game as scum. I have no idea why you think that a lurking Cephiro should just be left alone for an arbitrary amount of time and I have no idea why you think I should know this. Why is Cephiro definitely not getting lynched today? And why do you think I should know this? You last point about why I switched from Caller to Cephiro is also bad. Something happened between me wanting to lynch Caller and me wanting to lynch Cephiro. SOMETHING HAPPENED. The nuke landed and was a dud. There. I wanted to lynch him for killing someone and then it turned out he didn't kill someone. So I changed my opinion on Caller, decided I didn't like the current wagons in the game and decided that I'd like to lynch Cephiro. | ||
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prplhz
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Palmar
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Ace is being intentionally wrong in a really bullheaded way so he is probably town. | ||
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Caller
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Palmar
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 28 2014 04:59 Caller wrote: that post seems scummy. why? too bad ##unvote ##vote: prplhz durr hurr hurr durr. hurr? durrrrr ##unvote ##vote: prplhz no wait i am pardoned and cannot be lynched today NICE READING THE THREAD MORON | ||
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prplhz
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justanothertownie
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On April 28 2014 04:51 Foolishness wrote: What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there? The point remains that you don't know how his town posting looks like under restriction, right? Anyways I fear that I am pretty close to having too many posts. SO, if you want me to keep talking/are a nice person in general please donate some to me. If you don't intend to use them yourself of course. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
VisceraEyes Koshi Alakaslam (maybe) WaveofShadow strongandbig OdinOfPergo Blazinghand justanothertownie geript VayneAuthority (maybe) austinmcc People who make me angry: Blazinghand Oatsmaster Ace Foolishness sandroba Palmar People who /in'd this game because Ver is hosting even though they don't actually want to play in this game: RebirthOfLeGenD Ace gumshoe (maybe) | ||
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prplhz
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