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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 28 2014 15:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I think rayn, marv, and robik are pretty obviously town. I think the way gumshoe has attacked palmar at the beginning (would have been a buss right from the start) and rayn just recently (if he's mafia he's picking a strange target to call mafia) indicates that he is town. Holyflare? eh. I still think some of the stuff he's done is scummy but my heart is telling me that he's probably town and I'm just a bit annoyed with him. I think his personality in this game is much the same as his dick-town personality from his last game, and I must give him some town points for pointing out palmar's slip, whihc is really the first thing that made me reasses my early town read on palmar. Then there's prplhz, and I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to go about reading him? I don't really think he's mafia though, just on the tone of his posts. I'm curious if marv has any tips on reading prplhz. So that leaves phagga, who I think is mafia. + Show Spoiler [quote 1] + On March 26 2014 16:32 phagga wrote: Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also: Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least. It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now. "I don't like your position currently." What does this have to do with finding mafia? Phagga has made it pretty clear that he thinks holyflare is on the "incorrect" side of this rayn/hf argument, but he concludes nothing about holyflare's alginment despite this. I am not even saying that phagga should be calling hf scum here, jsut that he should at least have an opinion on holyflare's alignment if he's going to go to all the trouble of combating holyflare's arguments. This post is part of a longer discussion, where I agree at the end that rayn antagonized HF nedlessly. His initial question is "what do you make of this set of events?". The point is that HF was clearling misrepresenting / misunderstanding the things rayn said, and I tried to figure out if this was intentional or not. When I wrote the above post, I thought it was intentional, hence the phrase you've emphasized. It's meant to mean "I don't like your position in this argument, while I think rayns position is fine". => I thought HF was scummy because he was ignoring rayns hints that HF was misreading the situation. I later realized that I was wrong about that. + Show Spoiler [ quote 2] + On March 26 2014 22:47 phagga wrote: I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently. The bolded part is what makes phagga mafia. I think it is odd that he felt that he needed to include that last line. IF phagga is mafia then he knows palmar is mafia, and he knows that he needs to be careful when talking about palmar. So I think that his answer of "yes, I agree that palmar is scummy, but I don't want to lynch him" is a very tactful way of allowing himself to not disagree that his teammate isn't scum, yet still keep his vote on a townie. + Show Spoiler [quote 3] + On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote: up to page 35 rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn HF - town for HF/rayn-argument gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour thrawn - scum Some of these reads aren't even reads. By that I mean that doesn't actually define the reads in a way that allows people to hold him accountable for them either. The reads on prplhz/palmar are what I'm talking about. The other reads are based off an ill-explained small pieces of information. I also think it is interesting that he had the most to say about palmar, yet his read was still inconclusive. I clarified what I meant regarding Palmar here. I have played with prplhz before, so I know he is sometimes hard to read. That's what I wanted to say in a joking way. So now we have to ask, did phagga bus palmar? His vote was the 5th vote on the palmar wagon, which is generally within the range when "I guess my partner is being lynched for sure" buss votes pile on. I don't know why phagga decided to change his vote. Once he initially voted for me during the early game he was pretty set on lynching me for most of the day, while being mostly wishy washy about palmar. So why did this change? Once it was clear that palmar was going to be lynched, phagga became all about that palmar lynch, and this is why I think phagga changed his mind about lynching thrawn before palmar, because he knew he needed to end up on the palmar wagon. Yeah well, perhaps you should read my filter, my vote is clearly explained here and here. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
lol are you saying i need to get the same level of drunk and tired and then try to defend what i did earlier when i was drunk and tired? ehhh | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 28 2014 18:58 marvellosity wrote: phagga could be mafia. Holy is basically defending him like an ass because he's tunnelled on thrawn. For now, I don't know/care. i'm not, it's more likely prpl is mafia than thrawn but i liked phagga's reasoning for voting palmar and thought it looked alright and the rest of thrawns case was stuff that i had also done and i'm town so therefore it invalidates the rest of his case | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 28 2014 18:57 prplhz wrote: i missed the bh context, thought it was just a throwaway "frustrated townie" outburst and didn't really consider it important at all. then i missed that single post because i read all other posts on that page (and in the game). doesn't even matter because i was voting palmar way before that even happened. How can both of these statements be true? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:03 Holyflare wrote: explain it to me? Well i'd rather have prplhz explain it to you first if you have a problem with it.  | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
thrawn wakes up ----> reads up to the point palmar says he is doc ---> votes palmar ----> makes case on phagga?? I asked him why he voted palmar and he said it was because he didn't defend himself when he claimed doc, if he read the rest of the thread the reason would be that he claimed scum etc etc. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:05 prplhz wrote: i don't even understand the problem the first part you say the outburst was a frustrated town, the second part said it doesn't matter my vote is on him? if you thought it was a frustrated town then you would question it and read for the response or bring it up in his favour and push it saying omg nuu that looks so towny | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote: like i don't buy it that as a townie you come back from sleeping and open up the thread, read half of it and then vote and then read the rest of it? thrawn wakes up ----> reads up to the point palmar says he is doc ---> votes palmar ----> makes case on phagga?? I asked him why he voted palmar and he said it was because he didn't defend himself when he claimed doc, if he read the rest of the thread the reason would be that he claimed scum etc etc. I read all of it? but the post where he said he opened his PM, then he lazily claimed doc covniced me to vote for him. if he opened his PM and he was town then he probably actualyl would have called marv mafia (remember that I was working under the assumption that he probably did not read his role PM) i did read the rest but i'd already decided to vote him based on that post. i skimmed the rest and none of it convinced me not to change my mind about the read I formed off of his lazy doc claim | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:06 Holyflare wrote: the first part you say the outburst was a frustrated town, the second part said it doesn't matter my vote is on him? if you thought it was a frustrated town then you would question it and read for the response or bring it up in his favour and push it saying omg nuu that looks so towny "frustrated townie" as in someone who isn't really a frustrated townie but just acting like one | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 28 2014 17:52 prplhz wrote: dunno really i think your "wait up people, if palmar didn't read his pm we shouldn't lynch him" was a little too crazy for you to be scum with him though at the same time i don't see what people likes about phagga so much, his interactions with palmar don't seem like something you couldn't pull off as scum. also in this post he's all "meh i dno" about palmar but then here he's all "marv's case is really good", if he think that marv has a really good case on palmar why is his read on palmar then so meh? you were also around for lynch while phagga wasn't and that's bonus points for you and deductions for phagga I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:16 phagga wrote: I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. do you still think i'm mafia? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 28 2014 19:16 phagga wrote: I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. i simply just think that "completely agree[ing]" with a giant marv case would lead to a stronger read than what your expressed in your list last sentence isn't a joke | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On March 28 2014 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote: i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true thrawn i wanted to ask you about this: Why are you being so overly defensive here? You are not even addressing what Holyflare says here. | ||
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