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On February 21 2014 06:07 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote:
Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Koshi is leaning more town for me now. I went back and read the thread, particularly the points where rayn and company were talking about him, and decided that he is more likely to be town.
Do you agree with what I said about how Koshi is more likely to do a lot of the stuff you said he was doing as town based on our last 2 games?
On February 21 2014 06:08 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote:
Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Balla let's pretend they are here right now. What are you going to ask Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy when they get in the thread? The good news is, once you've done this, you don't even have to post again when they come back because they'll see your question and respond!
Suki I already did this -_- hence why you don't find anything else!!!!!
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Balla do you think I'm scum?
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On February 21 2014 06:11 suki wrote:
Ah nevermind I see you did ask the questions.
Are those questions still the ones you want answered or do you have others? The questions to CuteFluffyPuppy in particular are from much earlier in the game.
They haven't been back since, promethelax didnt catch up far enough before he left so what else do you want me to ask about?
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EBWOP: cutefluffypuppy lol... didnt mean promethelax although that is who I think it is T_T
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On February 21 2014 06:13 suki wrote:
Balla do you think I'm scum?
Undecided atm.
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On February 21 2014 06:05 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 03:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 09:18 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that? ##vote toadim not playing i want this addressed. On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it. On February 20 2014 23:59 VIVAX420 wrote:
eh ill bet anyone toad is town. I dont really get marv's case against him. He's a lynch bait player isn't he? lynch bait players usually look less scummy as town. Plus I don't like the people pushing him. The last quote does not go with his previous attitude at all. Especially with the "I don't get the case". kush can change his mind on how good the case is all he likes, but it's quite evident that he "gets" the case. I don't buy this marv. Between the second and the third post kush has more posts where he talks about toad and I think his read evolved pretty naturally.
What's not to buy? Why aren't you reading? I *specifically* said it wasn't about the evolution of his read, it was about the fact he said he didn't "get" my case despite the fact he clearly gets it as demonstrated by the quotes, because he's essentially using the same points I brought up.
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On February 21 2014 06:14 Balla24 wrote:
EBWOP: cutefluffypuppy lol... didnt mean promethelax although that is who I think it is T_T
it isn't
I don't know who it is, but I know it's not Prome
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On February 21 2014 02:37 Balla24 wrote:This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
I agree tbh. It felt awkward
##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec.
What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm.
I disagree. I think Koshi's townreads were a lot less random last game. I don't see him randomly calling people bad this game. And he lead the lynch on Jonny so I don't know what you're talking about sheeping.
The reason I'm leaning town on Koshi right now is because of this:
On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside? no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia.
When I read this I thought, Koshi is playing quite freely right now. It makes sense to view his careless townreads and active sheeping as a free townie than a scum trying to appear free.
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On February 21 2014 06:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:05 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 03:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 09:18 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that. wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that? ##vote toadim not playing i want this addressed. On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it. On February 20 2014 23:59 VIVAX420 wrote:
eh ill bet anyone toad is town. I dont really get marv's case against him. He's a lynch bait player isn't he? lynch bait players usually look less scummy as town. Plus I don't like the people pushing him. The last quote does not go with his previous attitude at all. Especially with the "I don't get the case". kush can change his mind on how good the case is all he likes, but it's quite evident that he "gets" the case. I don't buy this marv. Between the second and the third post kush has more posts where he talks about toad and I think his read evolved pretty naturally. What's not to buy? Why aren't you reading? I *specifically* said it wasn't about the evolution of his read, it was about the fact he said he didn't "get" my case despite the fact he clearly gets it as demonstrated by the quotes, because he's essentially using the same points I brought up.
Give me a sec to mull this over.
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this game is all over the place
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What suki? Isn't what marv said basically the same thing as I said, I gave specifics of what I was referring to but it's essentially the same point.
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On February 21 2014 06:24 prplhz wrote:
this game is all over the place
gosh darnit, people be accusing other people of being mafia! It should be much neater and tidier, obvs.
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So marv you are tryharding scum now because you sucked it up last time?
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On February 21 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:gosh darnit, people be accusing other people of being mafia! It should be much neater and tidier, obvs.
yea maybe it should.
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who the hell says gosh darnit anyway
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On February 21 2014 06:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 06:24 prplhz wrote:
this game is all over the place gosh darnit, people be accusing other people of being mafia! It should be much neater and tidier, obvs. yea maybe it should.
I think the thread actually has a decent atmosphere... what's so bad about it?
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On February 21 2014 06:28 VIVAX420 wrote:
So marv you are tryharding scum now because you sucked it up last time?
lol is this really what you've got kush?
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On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote:I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it. I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. I don't like that suki says in this post: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote:
I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. that the plan is stupid but neither scummy nor townie and then she says in this post Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:00 suki wrote:rayn said:
We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. Here's how I see it. Because you're forced to vote someone, you can't unvote and remain without an opinion (well, except with this stupid plan). This is pro-town. If someone voted Koshi and said, 'I don't think Koshi is scum anymore' but kept his vote on Koshi, then pressuring that person to take a stance on someone else IS pro-town because they can't just unvote and say 'I dont know I'm thinking'. It forces accountability, and mafia hate being accountable for their actions. This outweighs scum possibly misrepresenting someone because they didn't take off their vote. that the plan is anti-town, or something like that, she uses pro-town to describe a situation where the plan is not implemented.
I don't understand the first part of this post. There's two observations that are contradictory. On one hand it's completely useless and town would never do it, on the other hand scum would never hard push it. What's also strange is that he accuses suki of a similar thing in the very same post. It's actually so blatantly contradictory that I think he's town for it. I think scum would be more likely to construct themselves properly in this scenario.
Rayn pointed out the same thing, but has a different conclusion from it. I actually think it's more likely to come from town.
On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote:
claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum?
Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample.
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On February 21 2014 06:29 prplhz wrote:
who the hell says gosh darnit anyway
marvellosity when he's teasing prplhz, mainly
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