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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Balla24
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On February 21 2014 02:28 Palmar wrote: In fact your pressure is as cheap as it gets, and the townie response in that situation would be "I just don't know who to kill so whatever, kill the lazy guy" But instead you're trying to pass it off as something useful. Sure, whatever. That's just like your opinion man. ^_^ Moving on: Suki's case on Koshi is really bad, and weird. I wouldn't expect suki to jump on Koshi like that. She likes making decently early cases but the subject is not good. Particularly this part: On February 20 2014 23:44 suki wrote: His reads on people have no effort put into them. He's calling random people town for no reason and people scum for no reason. He's saying Balla and I might be intimidated by the player pool as if it's scummy and yet he's not only not posting his thoughts he's just sheeping the strong players in the thread. I know Koshi hates rolling scum and doesn't feel like playing when he's scum. I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping. ##unvote ##vote Koshi This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote: Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory. Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote: I agree tbh. It felt awkward ##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote: Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec. What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. This is a "case" i made on him in NMM, one of tha games you quoted: On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i just looked at his past games and:
If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:35 marvellosity wrote: Can you explain how? Is your thought process. 1) I want to pressure sidesprang into voting, a random vote after everyone's already talked about him will definitely do it 2) sidesprang sees people say it's useless and decides not to post after all, because otherwise the random one-vote pressure would definitely have made him post yes? or what? First off sidesprang is a player I don't expect to read the thread very carefully, especially this long ass thread. So I don't expect him to find every bit of talking about him. So maybe a vote will stand out. It's undermining it because people are calling it shit when sidesprang hasn't even come in yet, I don't think it will make that big of a difference. If you find me scummy for it fine but don't say it's not going to do anything. Secondly, I KNOW it will do something, because sidesprang obviously voted me for a reason. Maybe he wants to get a reaction, I don't know what that reason is, but I'm giving it to him in hopes that he will come back after seeing my reaction. Specifically me voting and talking about him is better than you guys because he is targetting me. If it wasn't then maybe he would have said some stuff after you guys talked about him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote: Balla24 needs some lynching: Quick summary: I checked out Newbie Mini Mafia LI, Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1 and TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart:. If there's some more recent town game I'd be happy to take a look at that but couldn't find him in the Database at all (?!?) and looked at the games linked in his profile. That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it but ballsy might fit as well. Usually it's the other way around as people, especially new guys, are scared to post when rolling mafia but that does not seem to be the case for Balla24. Explaining his town-behavior is with a limited amount of posts could be possible but I think it's much better if you look through this yourself: Newbie Mini Mafia LI and see for yourself how reserved and understand he's posting when rolling town. I could give you a couple of posts but it's all over the place. This doesn't look like what he's done in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1, TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart: or in this game so far at all. Take a look at Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1: + Show Spoiler [open me up!] + On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Nice flower. It's very beautiful. ##vote Balla24 [note from me: election vote for mayor, he's not actually voting himself for lynch] My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote: P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote: hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote: better than you generically calling people out every couple posts.... On January 26 2014 14:19 Balla24 wrote: ^_^ So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better. He does not give a crap about what people think about him, or wants to make it look that way. He's playing a lot more ballsy than when he rolled town. This looks nothing like his town game above. The second game I looked into is a bit harder to pinpoint the same things in single point but it still looks nothing like he town game, just not that extreme as he's no, if I had to it's be something like but that's a cherrypick. But same as the towngame, go through the filter yourself click me! and you'll see it looks nothing like his calm, understanding, good-cop approach he's taking when he's town Just compare his mafia posts with stuff like this from his town-game and like I said, this may be cherrypicked but that kind of stuff it ALL OVER his filter: Now that that's out here's what I'm seeing him do this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 08:42 Balla24 wrote: haha thats retarded... i thought it had something to do with millers and forcing yourself to a claim On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote: well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy On February 20 2014 08:53 Balla24 wrote: i'm not on jayb's level of making cases based on starting emotion~ On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote: The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:20 Balla24 wrote: Moi aussi gogo Add to that that he has questional posts just by himself like: That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?" Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24 I don't believe this case. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Palmar is in fact my best friend.  | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 20 2014 12:57 VIVAX420 wrote: originally i thought it was super scummy but im second guessing myself now. Just seems like the depth of thought involved in that post is pretty townie, because it comes from reading the game with a suspicious mindset. There's a bunch of stuff that is not saying anything about somebody's alignment. I really would have expected kush to call someone scum by now. Kush who is scum? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. Just so you know I'm specifically referencing how you might think my opening is similar to how I opened in those scum games, it could for sure be seen as similar somewhat. That's all... I don't want to be the guy who talks about his own meta so i'll leave it at that unless people want me to go at it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:57 Balla24 wrote: I'm really really surprised Kush hasn't called me scum yet. I don't think Kush is interested in people's alignments, the past 2 games he has called me scum when my openings were weaker. There's a bunch of stuff that is not saying anything about somebody's alignment. I really would have expected kush to call someone scum by now. Kush who is scum? yeah kush could actually be mafia: On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote: wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that? On February 20 2014 09:18 VIVAX420 wrote: ##vote toad im not playing i want this addressed. On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote: toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it. On February 20 2014 23:59 VIVAX420 wrote: eh ill bet anyone toad is town. I dont really get marv's case against him. He's a lynch bait player isn't he? lynch bait players usually look less scummy as town. Plus I don't like the people pushing him. The last quote does not go with his previous attitude at all. Especially with the "I don't get the case". kush can change his mind on how good the case is all he likes, but it's quite evident that he "gets" the case. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I just realized he's just following up on what he said pre-game about insta voting me. It's likely he just hasn't had time to commit to the game yet to post anything meaningful and instead just did the insta vote for lulz i guess, kind of annoying but w/e. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is a "case" i made on him in NMM, one of tha games you quoted: Well it's about his openings and not about he's playing in general as that's the only thing we've got so far, so I don't really care about how he's playing after d2, later or how long his filter is going to be later on because that's yet to be seen. On February 21 2014 02:46 marvellosity wrote: Toad, do you think your case on Balla is stronger than what's been said about suki? If so, why? (or how I guess) What's been unconvincing about what people have said about suki to you? haven't looked into suki in detail yet. From what I've seen and what my gut says she looks like how she played in the game I co-hosted, the one you coached as well, the one were people ended up lynching her despite being town. Always talking about stuff that's on her mind without thinking about it. You wanted me to look for scum myself so I've ignored her to not just run into a situation where I just end up +1ing what's already been said even if that might be helpful as well if she's actually mafia as that won't give you anything about me. Balla's the one that I ended up with. Not quite sure what to make of you, Koshi, Sidesprang and Oats if you must know. Those would be the next people to look into for me and suki belongs in there now as well. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 21 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Balla who's scum besides sidesprang? ATM kush, the smurf and suki are questionable but I think kush is mafia. | ||
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