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Balla24
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Balla24
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay not really going into more detail. Toad your case is based largely on meta and i don't see a conclusion that implies Balla's meta as you describe it supports him being mafia in this game. fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess. I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
VIVAX420 (1): Koshi (1): marvellosity (0): CuteFluffyPuppy (1): Oatsmaster (0): raynpelikoneet (1): Palmar (0): Toadesstern (2): prplhz (0): Balla24 (2): suki (3): sidesprang (1): Balla24 suki is now set to be lynched! Next deadline: Deadline date: Saturday, Feb 22 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On February 21 2014 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess. I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off. Look, i am not trying to be an asshole towards you. I am trying to understand why you say things you do because i need to figure out if you are town or mafia. If i can't understand why, i am inclined to think you are mafia because.. well you know what i mean. I know i am really aggressive and shit, but i just want you to explain your motivations behind your posts when i don't get them as it helps me getting a better read on you. So please, if you are town, try to understand me. I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). Basically that's why i called your post bad, but not scummy. I think you might be on the right track, but in order to get a better read on YOU and not on Balla i would like you to clarify why do you think his play in this game indicates he is playing towards his scum meta? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, i am not trying to be an asshole towards you. I am trying to understand why you say things you do because i need to figure out if you are town or mafia. If i can't understand why, i am inclined to think you are mafia because.. well you know what i mean. I know i am really aggressive and shit, but i just want you to explain your motivations behind your posts when i don't get them as it helps me getting a better read on you. So please, if you are town, try to understand me. I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). Basically that's why i called your post bad, but not scummy. I think you might be on the right track, but in order to get a better read on YOU and not on Balla i would like you to clarify why do you think his play in this game indicates he is playing towards his scum meta? About this, not sure if you want me to answer it right now or when I'm done checking his other town game tomorrow so I'll spoiler it because like I'd say I'd rather look at suki first and keep Balla for tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + I looked at his opening in the town game I got from him and the two mafia games I got on him because I considered looking at his overall play pointless at this point in time. I do think the openings between town <-> mafia are completly different. I'm seeing the same behavior in this game so far. What he's posting as town is stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote: Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1? My top priorities are - to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out. - immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other. On January 06 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote: @Asuna Hihi~ Considering you are a new comer, what is your experience with this game? Is this your first time, how did you get into it etc.. On January 06 2014 07:37 Balla24 wrote: So like, have you played a lot or have you watched/read any games before this? On January 06 2014 07:42 Balla24 wrote: I appreciate the defense but... he's IC he can do whatever he wants including mess around... Instead of trying to pocket me let's hear how you're gonna help me achieve my goals of catching scum On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote: @Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post? On January 06 2014 07:55 Balla24 wrote: You must of misunderstood me... "my goals of catching scum" not specifically my OWN priorities. I'm fine with others having their own priorities, but overall this game is about catching scum. Another point, i'm not active in lynching lurkers, that's not what he said and its not what I said. My goal is to create an environment where it's HARD to survive as a lurker, that is, a very active game where the lurker #s are down very very low and are easy to single out. If it comes to the point where i have to lynch a lurker because there's no better lynch I will but that is not my priority. he's shockingly calm, understanding and "down to earth" in every single post he does in that game early on and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did, except for his very first "hi" post quoted. he doesn't have this attitude when he starts as mafia at all: + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Nice flower. It's very beautiful. ##vote Balla24 My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote: P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote: come on IRC #tlmafia get in the habit of it On January 26 2014 07:43 Balla24 wrote: Don't you know his account info though?..... On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote: hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote: Haha reputation? I have reputation? On January 26 2014 08:26 Balla24 wrote: You got me! he's calm in these posts as well alright but the seriousness from his towngames is completly missing, which is what I tried to get at when I said he's more into people's faces. A lot more useless posts, they're equally short or long imo so I do disagree with you on that point but I don't see a clear purpose here. Again I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it either... but it's not the good-cop-attitude he's showing off in his town game at all His response to my case is making me somewhat wonder right now because it DOES show that reasonable approach he usually has as town but I that's a null after I tell him that that's the beef I'm having with him. Maybe you're right about him being more in your face later on in games, idk, like I said I only paid attention to d1 behavior right now, maybe that's the reason he's talking like that when he's rolling mafia as well because he's know to be like that in general, just no on d1? I looked through suki's filter and it makes me pretty null on her except for that one time when she's talking about me. That part where she mentioned she'd be more than happy to vote me if her vote is required after talking about how someone else is mafia for a lot. Need some other games from her first. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
"and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did" = "and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did I'm quoting here" | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 21 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote: Guess I got to read balla games tomorrow. There might be something to it. Maybe he is being sneaky. Is there a reason you're not doing that today? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 21 2014 04:49 Balla24 wrote: Is there a reason you're not doing that today? DotA House of Cards Sleep | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Balla is most definitely scum. On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote: The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... Balla's words and his actions do not coincide. He starts the game saying hey Koshi lets start something, but Koshi has already voted him and is telling me to vote Balla. Yet Balla doesn't jump on Koshi because Balla 'wanted him to post his reasoning'. Since when does Balla wait for someone to post? Balla's town play is balls to the wall in your face aggressive. Do you know what Balla does when he's town? He questions people. He pressures them. If he thinks someone is scummy he takes what they said and he questions what they meant. He asks them for reads. If he's on you he's so damn annoying you just want him to shut up, whether you're town or scum at the time. This game, he looks like he's trying to explain scum reads, rather than find scum. He's saying this person is scummy because so and so. His vote on sidesprang was weak as shit, not only because it's on a lurker, but because he just said 'Hey dude post more'. There's no questioning to try to get sidesprang out into the open despite his claims that his vote is pressure. He didn't start shit with Koshi when Koshi voted him, and when I voted him and provided reasoning he didn't fight back he just said 'hey that makes sense but don't worry I'll pressure'. He thinks me, sidesprang and kush are scum but isn't doing anything about it. Like, Balla, why are you making a case against me being scum instead of lunging at my neck like a starved rottweiler? You said my opening was non-alignment indicative and you said my case on Koshi was bad and that somehow the case being bad makes me scummy because I would town-read Koshi better the way you are town-reading him. ##unvote ##vote Balla | ||
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Balla24
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On February 21 2014 05:38 suki wrote: I'm back. All of you people who are calling me scum are wrong. Balla is most definitely scum. Balla's words and his actions do not coincide. He starts the game saying hey Koshi lets start something, but Koshi has already voted him and is telling me to vote Balla. Yet Balla doesn't jump on Koshi because Balla 'wanted him to post his reasoning'. Since when does Balla wait for someone to post? Balla's town play is balls to the wall in your face aggressive. Do you know what Balla does when he's town? He questions people. He pressures them. If he thinks someone is scummy he takes what they said and he questions what they meant. He asks them for reads. If he's on you he's so damn annoying you just want him to shut up, whether you're town or scum at the time. This game, he looks like he's trying to explain scum reads, rather than find scum. He's saying this person is scummy because so and so. His vote on sidesprang was weak as shit, not only because it's on a lurker, but because he just said 'Hey dude post more'. There's no questioning to try to get sidesprang out into the open despite his claims that his vote is pressure. He didn't start shit with Koshi when Koshi voted him, and when I voted him and provided reasoning he didn't fight back he just said 'hey that makes sense but don't worry I'll pressure'. He thinks me, sidesprang and kush are scum but isn't doing anything about it. Like, Balla, why are you making a case against me being scum instead of lunging at my neck like a starved rottweiler? You said my opening was non-alignment indicative and you said my case on Koshi was bad and that somehow the case being bad makes me scummy because I would town-read Koshi better the way you are town-reading him. ##unvote ##vote Balla My actions most certainly do coincide. Koshi didn't even vote me he just asked you if you thought I was scum. I was waiting for his reasoning, I even asked him to post it. How is that not exactly what I said? I didn't say you were scum, I said questionable! There are a lot of things that are making you look town to me but that case on Koshi was bad and I would not expect that from you considering how well you were improving your meta cases recently it doesn't fit at all with what we learned about Koshi. All your cases are reads on me/koshi this game are based on meta of our openings and they are bad. Read what I said about it, and elaborate on it because it the conclusions you are making about koshi do not follow from the games you are referencing. Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy are my scumreads, neither are here. You are being a little weird with your cases, sidesprang needs to post, I don't know if he's town or scum. My vote was explained in response to marv, but after I realized that it was a pre-game plan it doesn't hold as much weight. Why don't you take that into consideration? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
"I want to lynch this guy [...here are about 20 lines of text...] but I'd totally be fine to lynch Toad if my vote is needed!" nothing that make me feel strongly in either direction about her. Given that I couldn't find anything of importance while trying to look through her I'd say it's time to look at Oats instead for now and well, still Balla tomorrow and Sidesprang when and if he starts to post. | ||
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suki
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suki
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Who are your top scum reads right now? I liked your pressure on rayn early game but right now I don't know who you want to lynch. You said Koshi looks bad to you and you don't like railroading Toad. Other than that I don't see any scum reads. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote: Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 21 2014 03:04 marvellosity wrote: The last quote does not go with his previous attitude at all. Especially with the "I don't get the case". kush can change his mind on how good the case is all he likes, but it's quite evident that he "gets" the case. I don't buy this marv. Between the second and the third post kush has more posts where he talks about toad and I think his read evolved pretty naturally. On February 21 2014 03:15 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax420 @Palmar why did you vote kush right after marv said kush looks scummy? Earlier in the game you thought kush looked town and provided a lot of quotes: On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote: I like some points he's made. What changed? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote: You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Koshi is leaning more town for me now. I went back and read the thread, particularly the points where rayn and company were talking about him, and decided that he is more likely to be town. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 21 2014 05:55 Balla24 wrote: You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? Balla let's pretend they are here right now. What are you going to ask Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy when they get in the thread? The good news is, once you've done this, you don't even have to post again when they come back because they'll see your question and respond! | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Are those questions still the ones you want answered or do you have others? The questions to CuteFluffyPuppy in particular are from much earlier in the game. | ||
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