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dnyarri:
theDragoon posted this:
Regarding: dynarri
He did get the ball rolling on me with the help of BigDad's accusation of me trusting Day_Walker. As I mentioned multiple times before, and even debunked that I never placed my trust in Day_Walker. If I recall correctly, dnyarri, onlywonderboy and BigDad were the ones to use the DW and tD are scum buddies card because tD trusted him. They may have conspired together to fabricate that story and that makes them really suspicious.
The only thing I can find in dnyarri's filter regarding both Day_Walker and theDragoon is:
TheDragoon stated that Day_Walker seemed like innocent even though Day_Walker had only posted one list and nothing else. Day_Walker's only vote is against TheChyz which doesn't mean much since TheChyz is easy bandwagoning target. TheDragoon's post give me the impression that he wants to slow voting down by defending (random) people while going to TheChyz-bandwagon and attacking nobody else.
So I don't think theDragoon's reasoning is valid.
I find it really hard to read dnyarri. Yes, he was the first person to vote for theDragoon, but the only other possible thing that's standing out to me is the possible 'buddy up' attempt with me (he has refuted it but he would do that whether he's town or mafia, so it's a moot point). Again, his filter is so short I really really want to see more from him.
One thing that bothers me is he seems to be the easy target right now and again, it feels 'too easy'. I think, even if people still want to lynch him Day 2, we should look for other possibilities and only lynch him if he still appears the most scummy.
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Hmm, so trying to read into the stuff that happend after I left yesterday and up to the vote.
It might just be because I know now that theDragoon is town. But his posts in the end is actually a really good and convincing defence. Like I dont think he would have done that as scum. And I would say atleast johnny and OWB are more town for doing that voteswitch.
Reason being:
If we actually lynched dnyarri and he came up town, they kinda stuck their neck out for nothing. The way they changed vote without any explanation and kinda out of the blue would have been hard to explain. Especially with a green lynch on their vote swap. I don't think scum would have taken that risk.
On the other hand, seeing how it went down. I can't fault others for not following, especially since I can only now read theDragoons post while knowing he is town. Its a bit hard for me to judge how much towny he looked before the vote.
I think we should spend some more energy on looking at the votes. I'll try to see if I can find something. And we also need to get dynarri to talk more. Atm he is the only one that is not contributing enough to be able to read properly. I thought / hoped he would be more active than this.
So Dnyarri: What are your current reads, and what do you think about the vote swaps onto you yesterday?
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OnlyWonderBoy:
I think the tD/DW scumbuddy theory was a bit farfetched, and even theDragoon felt it was pushed too far. As the third person on theDragoon's list of people who pursued that argument, I feel like it's prudent to look into OnlyWonderBoy.
On the last minute switch:
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First thing to note is that he did try to last-minute vote switch with Jonny onto dnyarri. I feel that this makes him a definite town, but thinking further this applies only if dnyarri flips red. If dnyarri flips green it makes no difference to him to switch and it could be a move to grab town cred. Again, you can't argue one way or another without knowing dnyarri's alignment so I won't consider any of this in my analysis.
One thing that stands out to me is that OWB has talked about only three people: Derrida, Dragoon and Day_Walker
His impression on Derrida seems to be neutral so far, and that he thinks Derrida's early Day 1 play seems influenced more by inexperience than scumminess.
He was third to vote for theDragoon which I feel is a point in his favour, although his reasoning is based on the td/DW theory:
On January 07 2014 05:27 onlywonderboy wrote:My main scum reads at the moment are Dragoon and Day_Walker. They seem to be interacting a decent amount, which isn't inherently scummy, but they go out of there way to distance themselves from each other. Dragoon says "For the record, I want to make it clear that I never said I completely trust Day_Walker," Then Day_Walker says: Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 21:03 Day_Walker wrote:At the risk of playing into the "Day_Walker and theDragoon are protecting each other because they are both scum" read, what do you make of theDragoon standing up for Asuna? On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.
I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.
Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.
That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum. Off the top of my head I can think of only two scenarios where this is consistent with theDragoon scum AND Asuna townie: 1) Scum are protecting some townies to make things harder to read. 2) Scum are trying to make it easier to play the "I'm a newbie" card. I understand wanting to get out ahead of these accusations, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it simply because he pushed Dragoon slightly. These just seem like they are trying to distance themselves early so if either if them go down we don't suspect them as a scum pair.
I think he was the one to first throw out the idea that tD and DW were trying to distance themselves from each other. He doesn't state any other reasons to suspect either tD or DW. Just before the end of the day, he states:
The more and more I think about it the more I start to doubt the Day_Walker/Dragoon pair. This mostly has to do with how things have played out since Dragoon got a large portion of the votes. I agree that Day_Walker has put forth way more effort into defending Dragoon after his doom seemed inevitable and decided to rally his cause around a lurker that it would be hard to gather support for. If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear, but he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way. If they were both scum it's unlikely he would be defending him so vehemently.
He is doubting that tD and DW are a pair. He states "If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear", but he follows that up with "he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way" which implies that he finds the DW's hard defense of tD suspicious in itself.
When he last-minute switches to dnyarri (following Jonny's lead), he says he "wanted DW over Dragoon anyway".
Nothing stands out to me in OWB's filter as particularly scummy so I'm going to rate him as neutral at the moment, although I'm not liking the fact that the only analysis he's contributed against tD/DW is on the scum buddy theory.
to OnlyWonderBoy: I really want to hear your thoughts on what went down. I also want to see more analysis on why you wanted Day_Walker over theDragoon in Day 1, and what your thoughts on him are after the flip.
I want to hear your top scum picks because so far your only suspects have been theDragoon and Day_Walker.
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The last person I'm going to comment on for now is:
Derrida:
TheDragoon: null for me so far. Suspiciously null perhaps? Alert level: YELLOW
@thedragoon, you just leaped from an /offtopic discussion to an /ontopic demagogy by your "You will all see when I get lynched tomorrow that this "distancing theory" is completely dumbfounded" line. This is somewhat suspicious.
Fine, I will not further derail the thread about the value of voting, but I still think it's pointless. This just means that if the deadline was 2 minutes from now, I would vote like this.
## Vote TheDragoon
Off to sleep, afk for 8ish hours.
This is a pretty big leap. I don't care about vote order or the fact that he votes theDragoon explaining that 'if the vote was 2 minutes from now, I would vote [for him]'. What stands out to me is that he has theDragoon initially as 'suspiciously' yellow, and me and sidesprang as red, and yet he votes for theDragoon.
I'm not liking the line 'This is somewhat suspicious' in the second quote. It feels too careful.
When called out for his vote on theDragoon, he points out that the lynch is a win-win situation because if theDragoon flips town, then I look more suspicious.
I still see your lynch as a win-win situation this morning, with the possible further upside of providing further information on Suki if you flip townie (who was RED ALERT status on my initial list).
He follows up later on after theDragoon's final comment on me: "Quite the change of heart from bold "lynch me and you will see Suki as scum" to "I'm thinking she is town as well."
I feel that Derrida's early game is just full of noise and can be explained by inexperience, but I'm not liking his more recent play and am inclined to read him as more scummy than neutral.
to Derrida:
Who are your top scum reads at this point? Am I even more red now, now that theDragoon has flipped?
I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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On January 07 2014 22:34 Derrida wrote:
@Balla I will not go back to page 20 to discuss what you think are 'loopholes' in my rhetoric, do keep in mind that it is the very first post of my very first mafia game. I do have somewhat different reads on many participants as of right now.
Derrida: FUCK THIS.
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If you have different reads then explain what changed... You can't just NOT answer stuff because you don't feel like it. You can shut it down because you feel like it's an anti-town question but there is absolutely no reason to not explain reasoning when you are asked. This whole game is about finding "loopholes in your rhetoric".
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I thought Derrida was scum yesterday and still do.
On January 07 2014 19:48 Derrida wrote:@Balla, once again,
Because I said I'm falling asleep, even though I was still conversing with everyone. He doesn't seem particularly worried about who I'm going to vote for but just says it for the sake of saying it. I don't get why he was so pushy about getting an answer. Pretty weak attack obviously though. Noted.
On January 08 2014 04:40 Derrida wrote:
Quite the change of heart from bold "lynch me and you will see Suki as scum" to "I'm thinking she is town as well."
This is his last post before deadline... around 2 hrs before it. At this point it was pretty clear that dragoon was going to get lynched. But I do find it super weird that he hasn't even said anything about what went down at lynch time since then. Not to mention this post here isn't helpful and doesn't leave room for Dragoon to try to explain his reasoning more.
On January 07 2014 06:44 Derrida wrote:
I've been asked both by TheChyz and Balla about why I thought TheChyz was not scummy. I just re-read through his filter, I still don't think he is scummy. It is a tough question to disprove him not being a scum though, isn't it? Not fair.
This is part of why i'm so annoyed that he doesn't answer two of the points I brought up on pg20. In his first reads, he claims TheChyz is town because he initially reacted to ME the same way, which means he claims he thought I was scummy for being super active and "controlling".
TheChyz got a fair bit of suspicion on him because of that, and ended up retracting and coming up with the "i was just trying to start a bandwagon on myself" argument... yet Derrida has NO OPINION on that whatsoever and town reads thechyz for what everyone else was calling scummy... yet dragoon who did relatively the same thing was NULL for him. There's just so many inconsistencies in his first list post and he has yet to address them all.
I shouldn't have let it go so easily.
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Last thing on the vote switch: I agree with suki, it looks townie... but I think it ends up being pretty non-indicative of alignment until we get a flip on dynyarri and he flips scum. If he flips scum then it is totally town-indicative, if not then it's totally non-indicative.
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On January 09 2014 01:40 Balla24 wrote:
Last thing on the vote switch: I agree with suki, it looks townie... but I think it ends up being pretty non-indicative of alignment until we get a flip on dynyarri and he flips scum. If he flips scum then it is totally town-indicative, if not then it's totally non-indicative.
This is correct
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@Day_Walker Can you please give me some detail on your rationale towards theDragoon before the vote and also your opinions towards what happened with the attempted switch PLUS the remaining people who stayed on theDragoon and got him lynched?
I also an answer to the why dnyarri was your #1 scum (which you never gave) would be appreciated.
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Thoughts on the switch:
+ Show Spoiler +I think OWB looks better after this, conditioned on a scum read for dnyarri. OWB's switch came two minutes before the deadline, and turned a 5-7 vote into a 6-6 vote. To me it looks like OWB must have been ok with turning a "Dragoon probably dies" situation into a "dnyarri might actually die" situation, and was thus probably ok with turning a Dragoon lynch into a dnyarri lynch. This doesn't make sense if both OWB and dnyarri are scum, so dnyarri scum -> OWB town. Actually after going back and reading this post by BigDad, similar reasoning goes for him as well, with the caveat that a dnyarri lynch looked somewhat less likely when BigDad switched. Still, I think dnyarri scum -> BigDad town. I think suki and Balla look better after this, unconditionally. If I'm scum and I'm watching a vote swing away from a townie, I don't think I would impulsively blurt out an "Argh what the hell" or a "NO FUCK OFF YOU GUYS", regardless of the new target's alignment. When Jonny made this post, I assumed that he was seeing what I saw. But he still hasn't said anything about why he thought dnyarri's vote was relevant, and since right now he seems like the only person besides me who cares about that fact, I really want to know if he cares for the same reason as me or for some other reason.
Explanation of my thoughts on the day at large:
+ Show Spoiler +I've already given a pretty complete picture of what I was seeing, spread out across several posts. In retrospect though, my posts came out in kind of a confusing order, so I'll try to present my ideas in an order that makes more sense. On January 07 2014 21:20 Day_Walker wrote:
Judging by his actions, I don't have a strong read on Dragoon
The evidence against Dragoon looked very different to me than the rest of town. When people were talking about me and Dragoon as scum buddies, and then accusing us of trying to distance ourselves, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "lol no". When Dragoon was defending himself against these accusation, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "yup, this is 100% a guy defending himself against some false accusations". I think this in turn affected the weight I gave to other accusations against him. For example, I think most other people saw his snap OWB vote as scummy. Since I knew that OWB's scum-buddy accusation was false, I thought "well, I can't really tell if this is a frustrated townie lashing out or a cornered scum lashing out". The way Town has interacted with Dragoon over the last day has made it difficult for me to get a good read on him, because I'm not sure how to tell the difference between frustrated townie and cornered scum.
This is where I was coming from the whole day, and I wish I had talked about it earlier. As the lynch built on theDragoon, I wasn't really sold. But suki and Jonny were making decent arguments, I didn't see anything Dragoon had done that made him look particularly not scummy, and I certainly wasn't going to try and defend Dragoon without good evidence when the scum-buddy idea was running around and for all I knew he was about to get lynched and flip scum, although I did indirectly defend him here and here. Speaking of that last link, the fact that Jonny and suki 1) were providing a lot of thrust to the Dragoon lynch 2) both had seemingly contradictory reads on BigDad and Dragoon 3) didn't provide any particularly good explanation for that fact really nagged me. At this point I'm thinking that Dragoon could easily turn out to be scum, but at the same time he didn't stand out as convincingly more scummy than half the other players. There was no way that I could vote for theDragoon and feel good about it. I wish that at this point I had said the things in the post I quoted above, but at the time I didn't really understand that I might have a more accurate read on Dragoon than the rest of town, so instead I said this: On January 07 2014 15:41 Day_Walker wrote:
I don't like the lynch on theDragoon.
I'll give my reasoning in a bit, but I want hear more from Dragoon first. If I had actively suspected that Dragoon was town at this point, I wouldn't have have waited the nearly two hours that I did. Anyway, I went back to two previous scum suspects, and came up with this: On January 07 2014 17:33 Day_Walker wrote:Ok Dragoon seems more or less done talking, and I want to hear Balla's take on my thoughts. Let's talk about lurkers. dnyarri+ Show Spoiler +Three total posts. I flagged his first post as potentially scum, and given his follpw-up it looks even worse to me now than it did then. His second post switches his lynch vote from TheChyz to Dragoon: On January 06 2014 23:43 dnyarri wrote:Actually I have changed my primary target of suspicion from TheChyz to TheDragoon mainly because of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723¤tpage=16#316TheDragoon stated that Day_Walker seemed like innocent even though Day_Walker had only posted one list and nothing else. Day_Walker's only vote is against TheChyz which doesn't mean much since TheChyz is easy bandwagoning target. TheDragoon's post give me the impression that he wants to slow voting down by defending (random) people while going to TheChyz-bandwagon and attacking nobody else. TheChyz is confusing but I'm not sure if it's carelessness or risk taking. My logic for calling him scum was somewhat faulted too I think. ##unvote ##vote: TheDragoon This feels like rather weak reasoning to me, and I'm not sure the part I bolded - which seems to be sharing his thought process from evidence to vote - even makes sense. On one hand, it's hard to call him a bandwagoner because he placed to first vote on Dragoon. On the other hand, between dnyarri's first and second post we had the IC retract his Chyz vote, and BigDad label me and Dragoon as scummy. The wind was definitely blowing away from Chyz and towards Dragoon before dnyarri changed his vote. Dnyarri's last post is fine, and I agree with a lot of the content, but it was prompted by an accusation by Balla of rehashing and not talking about enough people. A fine post, but one that was prompted, rather than spontaneous. Three posts the first day. Two of them are spent agreeing with Balla, the last one gives the consensus view of OWB and Chyz. Comes in late on the second day and drops this: On January 07 2014 10:44 sidesprang wrote:Been away most of the day sry. Skimming through the thread now. Came to this. Voting for yourself make it an autovote for me. If you are town please fight for your life, we have everything to gain. If town we will hopefully see it, if scum we will hopefully be more sure you are scum after your defence. ##Vote theDragoonShow nested quote +On January 07 2014 07:21 theDragoon wrote:On January 07 2014 07:11 Balla24 wrote:Eh, you are misjudging us if you think we're experienced players... we are just experienced with noob games  But rest assured, if you're new we are and SHOULD be taking it into account... but explicitly stating "I AM NEW PLS DONT LYNCH ME MY READS MIGHT BE BAD" is NOT helpful whatsoever. Catch my drift? /offtopic:Yea i get it. I just felt like a lot of people look into my posts too much thinking there's some sort of link or slip or whatever when in reality i just don't know WTF I'm doing. /ontopic: I'm gonna ##Unvote onlywonderboy and ##Vote theDragoon. There's no way to get out of this mess, you're all really looking at the wrong guy. I guess without me fucking things up for the town, you'd be better off but this is going to be 2 down for mafia after the first night. I have to head out, I'll be on later. I'll be catching up for a bit, if anyone have any questions feel free to ask I'll be around for a bit. But gonna use some time catching up as a lot have been posted. What's this? An autovote that absolves him of any need to justify hopping on carriage #9 of the lynch train? How convenient. Any desire to make a substantive comment on the day that he missed? Apparently not. Here is my last post on him: On January 07 2014 11:41 Day_Walker wrote:
@Suki @Balla24
Here is my line of thinking on OBW:
After day 1, his filter had three posts. One cautionary comment about reading Balla, one good point about the IC and a promise to be a good townie, and one question about policy debates and scum hunting.
All fine things to post, and he gets some good feedback (e.g. my list). But these are also very safe posts, and that's all we get for the first 24 hours. I can read this as a scum thinking "great, said some things, got people to like me, now I can let them argue about Chyz for a day". This was the point at which I suggested OBW as a possible lynch target.
His posting for the next day starts with the first big reaction to the me + Dragoon scum pair idea that BigDad brought up, and then he basically rides that idea for the rest of the day.
So the meat of his contribution over the last two days is one read which I know (although Town doesn't) to be false, and it's a read that came served on a platter. From my perspective, OBW's actions makes a lot of sense as scum. I'll just add to this by noting that OWB placed vote #3 on Dragoon. I've said nothing about Dragoon's behavior. I don't think I have to. Based on the actions of other players, I'm fairly confident that we just saw the mafia run a bandwagon. I'm not dismissing the reads of suki and Jonny (the only two people who have made substantial arguments for lynching Dragoon). But if Dragoon is scum, we can get him later. He is at least willing to be around and talk with the Town. And most importantly, we have better lynch targets. I ordered the lurkers from most to least scummy, and I think that either dnyarri or sidesprang would make a solid lynch. ## Vote dnyarri It was in the process of researching this post that I realized dnyarri cast the first vote on Dragoon, and this is when I started suspecting that Dragoon was town. I mentioned this idea in my next post On January 07 2014 19:37 Day_Walker wrote:
Remember that dnyarri cast the first vote for theDragoon. If dnyarri flips scum, that gives us a huge amount of information about Dragoon (if you still think Dragoon is scum, you have to explain why the scum were bussing from the very first vote). and then elaborate on it in the post after that (this is part 2 of the quote I started with, minus the bandwagon bit): On January 07 2014 21:20 Day_Walker wrote:
Judging by the entire game, I lean town for Dragoon.
This most heavily rests on my scum read for dnyarri, and the fact that dnyarri placed the very first for Dragoon. Based on the vote, I think it unlikely that both dnyarri AND Dragoon are scum, and this turns my scum read for dnyarri into a town read for Dragoon. And for the reasons I just gave, this sounds a lot more plausible to me than to any other townie.
To summarize:
I am not adamant that Dragoon is town, although I suspect he is. I am adamant that dnyarri is a better lynch target.
I my read on Dragoon and the situation in general has been influenced by information available only to scum, me, and Dragoon, and I understand that the rest of Town may not share my views.
So that's where I'm at. Hopefully this clarifies my train of thought and my current read on the situation. I still need to go back and read a bunch of filters and think more carefully about the people I don't have a good read on, but it's sleepy time and I'll have to do that tomorrow.
And I guess I'll comment on my exchange with chinstrap:
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What a load of steaming shit. I can't have a constructive conversation with someone who just wants to wring their hands and cry scum while refusing to give substantive responses to my questions, and who is unable or unwilling to acknowledge the difference between me having reasons that he disagrees with and me having no reasons whatsoever. Such a fucking disappointment that this guy has to be our IC.
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On January 09 2014 01:49 chinstrap wrote:
@Day_Walker Can you please give me some detail on your rationale towards theDragoon before the vote and also your opinions towards what happened with the attempted switch PLUS the remaining people who stayed on theDragoon and got him lynched?
I also an answer to the why dnyarri was your #1 scum (which you never gave) would be appreciated.
On January 07 2014 22:34 chinstrap wrote:
Your ideas basically don't matter.
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Awesome. I'll post something large before the deadline
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Somebody else wants to talk to me about this I'm more than happy.
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Let's stop these personal attacks before they go too far pls. They're hard to read and they're obviously hurtful. It'll just make things emotional.
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On January 09 2014 01:56 Balla24 wrote:
Let's stop these personal attacks before they go too far pls. They're hard to read and they're obviously hurtful. It'll just make things emotional.
Yeah but the problem with this nice polite ragequit was that it left all my feels unvented :D
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I sincerely see nothing wrong with that post at all.
However, a discussion around personal attacks is pointless and distracting. Take it up out of thread if you want to.
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Definitely realized that when it happened haha...
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Wow, what an end to day 1. Here's my initial reaction to what went down in the last hours of day 1, will reply to the comments raised by Suki and Balla in a separate post later tonight.
If I was around I would have definitely changed my vote after reading this:
+ Show Spoiler +I have to go soon, so here's my last word.
I can't tell you guys how to think or how to use the information gained from me dying but I want to ask you guys to question your analysis. You will all be wrong in thinking I am scum, some of you, I feel, tried too hard to make something out of nothing. What I'm mostly referring to here is "scum buddy", defending Asuna, and "scum slip".
I don't think you should target those who made cases against me because I feel like they were just making something out of nothing. My opinion is probably meaningless at this point but here is my scum ranking from most to least scummy:
onlywonderboy, dnyarri, Day_Walker, Balla24, sidesprang, BigDad, Derrida, TheChyz, suki, JonnyLaw, Asuna, chinstrap
This is my first game, really sad that I will die so early. I made mistakes which eventually led to my downfall, it doesn't help the fact that people overanalyzed my posts and made something out of nothing. I may seem scummy to some of you, but that's because you are actively looking for scum and trying to find anything you can use to get someone. I hope you reread my filter from a townie perspective and see that I was just really new to this.
ggwp, gl town I hope you get it right next time.
This just SHOUTS townie no matter how last minute, I wouldn't believe that the Dragoon could fake this act if he was scum given his previous level of reads. The foundation of my vote on him was that it was a "win-win situation," but reading his filter, it is clear that his analyses are improving as the game develops. I would probably unvote Dragoon, so I'm curious why more people who were present at the time of the deadline did not back down? Going through the final hour, it seems only Balla was actively there who didn't switch his vote, which is suspicious on its own, but his reaction to the switch is just odd, and he later apologizes for his "heated" reaction, which is odd once again because I mean come on, it wasn't that heated of a moment, was it? Day_Walker has came to Balla's aid by claiming that
"I think suki and Balla look better after this, unconditionally. If I'm scum and I'm watching a vote swing away from a townie, I don't think I would impulsively blurt out an "Argh what the hell" or a "NO FUCK OFF YOU GUYS", regardless of the new target's alignment.
But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes. I mean how does that switch hurt Balla, and why does he just react that way? Which brings me to my next point; why did Jonny switch his vote? Seems as if the only thing that came out of his switch was Balla's reaction, which confirmed him townie in people's eyes. It seems as if this was a coordinated play by two good players to anchor themselves as townies and drag the town into mayhem.
Now, even though I would unvote Dragoon, I don't see the point of jumping on the Dnyarri bandwagon just to policy lynch lurkers. It is true that he did not bring much to the table, but the fact that he was the first to vote on Dragoon (pointed raised by Jonny), doesn't say much about him to lynch. It is something to lynch him for lurking, but I mean switching your vote because he was the first to vote for Dragoon is something completely different. In his vote for Dragoon, Dnyarri says:
Actually I have changed my primary target of suspicion from TheChyz to TheDragoon mainly because of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723¤tpage=16#316TheDragoon stated that Day_Walker seemed like innocent even though Day_Walker had only posted one list and nothing else. Day_Walker's only vote is against TheChyz which doesn't mean much since TheChyz is easy bandwagoning target. TheDragoon's post give me the impression that he wants to slow voting down by defending (random) people while going to TheChyz-bandwagon and attacking nobody else. TheChyz is confusing but I'm not sure if it's carelessness or risk taking. My logic for calling him scum was somewhat faulted too I think. ##unvote ##vote: TheDragoon
In my opinion this is just bad play and faulty analysis on the part of Dnyarri made just to have said something. Furthermore, noone jumps on this bandwagon by quoting Dnyarri so it is further irrelevant that Dnyarri was the one to vote first on Dragoon, which makes Jonny's switch even more suspicious.
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EBWOP:
It is one thing to lynch him for lurking, but I mean switching your vote because he was the first to vote for Dragoon is something completely different.
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