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Day_Walker
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Balla24
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Derrida
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Day_Walker
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@Jonny I want to hear more about this post: On January 08 2014 06:44 JonnyLaw wrote: Ugh, just realized dnyarri was the first vote on dragoon. Fuck, sorry I got here so late. We done screwed up. ##unvote ##vote: dnyarri You seem to be the only person besides me who thought that dnyarri's vote was important, and I'm curious why. | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:31 Derrida wrote: Of course you would hate that post because it points to two scums as two scums for the first time in the game. The only two things that do not make sense in that lynch for me are Jonny's switch and your reaction. Also because it is full of statements which are factually incorrect. You have not read the thread carefully. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:31 Derrida wrote: Of course you would hate that post because it points to two scums as two scums for the first time in the game. The only two things that do not make sense in that lynch for me are Jonny's switch and your reaction. And what of OWB's switch? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I'm sorry but it's so contrived because that's like the riskiest scum move ever... unless all 3 scum were involved I don't see how you could expect a swing that hard to happen.. | ||
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Balla24
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Derrida
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TheChyz
Canada238 Posts
First off, the switching of votes to me seems very scummy. In the last 30 minutes there should almost never be a drastic vote switch because a) not everybody is here and, b) confuses town on who to vote for. Also to all those people being like "omg it was so obvious he was town with his last post" I have a few things to say to you. If you ignore his actual flip, there is actually little from his last few posts that seem obvious town to me and I could (and have) see it being done from a scum perspective as well. Now there is still a person that some people were slightly suspicious of but in the night, (unless I have missed something) NOTHING was targetted at him. That person would be DW. He seems to get out free just because of what exactly? That Dragoon is town?. I even said in my last few posts before the day ended that the two most likely scenarios to me seem like no matter what Dragoon's alliance that DW is probably scum. After the day ended, he then makes a nice post showing how he "[didn't] have a strong read on Dragoon" and it looks to me more like trying to clear his own name. He also tries to say how he "certainly wasn't going to try and defend Dragoon without good evidence" when in fact he did. It all seems like he is just trying to backtrack to his earlier comments and try to cover them up with many excuses which I can point out many flaws in them. Currently he has done nothing to clear his name and I don't like how he is getting a free pass while being able to make so many lies. Currently I would put him as one person on the scum team. Jonny, oh jonny. The whole game since the moment you entered I have been getting this read that from your posts you seem to be super arrogant as if nothing can stop you. Balla has mentioned thats how you play, but I still think your acting as if you are the best in the game, calling player bad and saying that something along the lines of "Oh, if only I came earlier, I could have saved Dragoon". That just seems like your full of shit and that you are trying to portray this motion where you could have saved Dragoon. And the only case you make is the dnyarri voted on him first. WHAT? this is stupidly outrageous. Yes dnyarri so far has been looking fairly scummy but his vote on Dragoon was done LONG before most of town started to talk extensively about him. It just seems like a typical scum idea of "oh, lets pin it on the guy that voted on him first and hope to get another townie lynched". There are much better reasons to try to lynch dnyarri but all you came up with is his vote on Dragoon as the first one. There's a little more but I don't wanna make this post super long. At the moment Jonny is my scum read number 2. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 09 2014 00:29 suki wrote: OnlyWonderBoy: I think the tD/DW scumbuddy theory was a bit farfetched, and even theDragoon felt it was pushed too far. As the third person on theDragoon's list of people who pursued that argument, I feel like it's prudent to look into OnlyWonderBoy. On the last minute switch: + Show Spoiler + First thing to note is that he did try to last-minute vote switch with Jonny onto dnyarri. I feel that this makes him a definite town, but thinking further this applies only if dnyarri flips red. If dnyarri flips green it makes no difference to him to switch and it could be a move to grab town cred. Again, you can't argue one way or another without knowing dnyarri's alignment so I won't consider any of this in my analysis. One thing that stands out to me is that OWB has talked about only three people: Derrida, Dragoon and Day_Walker His impression on Derrida seems to be neutral so far, and that he thinks Derrida's early Day 1 play seems influenced more by inexperience than scumminess. He was third to vote for theDragoon which I feel is a point in his favour, although his reasoning is based on the td/DW theory: I think he was the one to first throw out the idea that tD and DW were trying to distance themselves from each other. He doesn't state any other reasons to suspect either tD or DW. Just before the end of the day, he states: He is doubting that tD and DW are a pair. He states "If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear", but he follows that up with "he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way" which implies that he finds the DW's hard defense of tD suspicious in itself. When he last-minute switches to dnyarri (following Jonny's lead), he says he "wanted DW over Dragoon anyway". Nothing stands out to me in OWB's filter as particularly scummy so I'm going to rate him as neutral at the moment, although I'm not liking the fact that the only analysis he's contributed against tD/DW is on the scum buddy theory. to OnlyWonderBoy: I really want to hear your thoughts on what went down. I also want to see more analysis on why you wanted Day_Walker over theDragoon in Day 1, and what your thoughts on him are after the flip. I want to hear your top scum picks because so far your only suspects have been theDragoon and Day_Walker. I admit I was a bit overzealous with the Dragoon/DW pair. There was a light connection so I don't feel bad about pushing it to start. I've previously stated why I started to shy away from Dragoon and the DW pair (revolving around how DW played after it seemed certain Dragoon was gonna get lynched). It was not Dragoon's impassioned plea that changed my mind about him. I still think there's a chance DW is scum so I at least tried to move the focus towards him. So DW is still one of my top scum picks. In regards to what happened at deadline, I think a lot of players were just putting their faith in Jonny's vote. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure of dnyarri being scum, but I was willing to take the risk knowing that if he could flip town. Personally I was voting more to save Dragoon than to kill dnyarri (who of course, could be scum). Several other players mentioned how they were convinced of Dragoon's innocence due to his final post so that could have made it easier for them to switch last minute. In terms of other possible scum players, I'm of course suspicious of dnyarri like a lot of players now. Really hope he shows up so we get some sort of insight on his play. Don't have any other solid scum reads right now so I guess my main focus is on dnyarri and Day_Walker. Still not sure about Derrida, but I'm still leaning towards bad town rather than scum. Might need to look into him more. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
Firstly Asuna On January 07 2014 12:41 Asuna wrote: I don't feel any purpose in bandwagoning a vote(as opposed to casting more suspicion) when there's so many already, as it wouldn't contribute anything to the debate. Right now I'm waiting on his apparently big post thing. That said, if the deadline were now I'd vote for him, but since we have 18 hours I don't really feel the need to add another drop into the bucket of vote lynch. I find this reluctance to vote (specifically reluctance to appear to be bandwagoning) as worrying. Especially when followed by this vote post. On January 08 2014 06:24 Asuna wrote: Back just in time. So no point talking about Dragoon, he pretty much has the noose around him. I do feel rather iffy about DW like others have said before, concerning how he started off sort of as a narrator, and then the timing of his defense. But the odd thing is what actually made me start to view him as scummy was how Jonny saw him, namely jonny didn't pursue DW for semi-lurking like he did OWB, even after it was pointed out to him, but to be fair DW did say he might be disappearing... and besides the popular opinion now is that Jonny is town so... Dragoon doesn't need another vote. He's pretty well dead. I'm going to throw my vote on DW just to keep it in the record that I think he's fishy. ##Vote: Day_Walker This is post is really strange to me. I don’t buy the analysis at all. It feels like a contrived way to avoid the bandwagon and move your suspicion to what I think is the easiest town target in the game at this point (This being after I went ape on DW) I just don’t like it. I think Asuna has a fair amount of explaining to do. She talks about saving her vote to ‘casting more suspicion’ but then follows me onto Day_Walker with some shady looking read. Asuna has flown under the radar thus far, and hasn't stuck her neck out at all. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
Derrida On January 09 2014 02:08 Derrida wrote: Wow, what an end to day 1. Here's my initial reaction to what went down in the last hours of day 1, will reply to the comments raised by Suki and Balla in a separate post later tonight. If I was around I would have definitely changed my vote after reading this: + Show Spoiler + I have to go soon, so here's my last word. I can't tell you guys how to think or how to use the information gained from me dying but I want to ask you guys to question your analysis. You will all be wrong in thinking I am scum, some of you, I feel, tried too hard to make something out of nothing. What I'm mostly referring to here is "scum buddy", defending Asuna, and "scum slip". I don't think you should target those who made cases against me because I feel like they were just making something out of nothing. My opinion is probably meaningless at this point but here is my scum ranking from most to least scummy: onlywonderboy, dnyarri, Day_Walker, Balla24, sidesprang, BigDad, Derrida, TheChyz, suki, JonnyLaw, Asuna, chinstrap This is my first game, really sad that I will die so early. I made mistakes which eventually led to my downfall, it doesn't help the fact that people overanalyzed my posts and made something out of nothing. I may seem scummy to some of you, but that's because you are actively looking for scum and trying to find anything you can use to get someone. I hope you reread my filter from a townie perspective and see that I was just really new to this. ggwp, gl town I hope you get it right next time. This just SHOUTS townie no matter how last minute, I wouldn't believe that the Dragoon could fake this act if he was scum given his previous level of reads. The foundation of my vote on him was that it was a "win-win situation," but reading his filter, it is clear that his analyses are improving as the game develops. I would probably unvote Dragoon, so I'm curious why more people who were present at the time of the deadline did not back down? Going through the final hour, it seems only Balla was actively there who didn't switch his vote, which is suspicious on its own, but his reaction to the switch is just odd, and he later apologizes for his "heated" reaction, which is odd once again because I mean come on, it wasn't that heated of a moment, was it? Day_Walker has came to Balla's aid by claiming that But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes. I mean how does that switch hurt Balla, and why does he just react that way? Which brings me to my next point; why did Jonny switch his vote? Seems as if the only thing that came out of his switch was Balla's reaction, which confirmed him townie in people's eyes. It seems as if this was a coordinated play by two good players to anchor themselves as townies and drag the town into mayhem. Now, even though I would unvote Dragoon, I don't see the point of jumping on the Dnyarri bandwagon just to policy lynch lurkers. It is true that he did not bring much to the table, but the fact that he was the first to vote on Dragoon (pointed raised by Jonny), doesn't say much about him to lynch. It is something to lynch him for lurking, but I mean switching your vote because he was the first to vote for Dragoon is something completely different. In his vote for Dragoon, Dnyarri says: In my opinion this is just bad play and faulty analysis on the part of Dnyarri made just to have said something. Furthermore, noone jumps on this bandwagon by quoting Dnyarri so it is further irrelevant that Dnyarri was the one to vote first on Dragoon, which makes Jonny's switch even more suspicious. I read this in disbelief. 'If I was around I would have definitely changed my vote after reading this:' What? Like has been mentioned I just don't follow the rationale at all. Its bizarre to the point of ridiculousness. This is either town naivety or an actual scum claim imo. Either way based on this post scum Derrida = scum Dnyarri. Add into the fishy Asuna and the Asunaless list? Trifecta? Maybe, I call it a 50 / 50 scum / naive town. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
Dnyarri Now there isn't really a lot on Dnyarri apart from he started the theDragoon lynch and a FEW strange posts (in fact almost all his posts because he has so few). Therefore Dnyarri could easily be a semi afk town or a lurking mafia (he has given no indication as to why he would be a semi afk town) However if he is town I would be VERY VERY confident that Derrida is also. Derrida's analysis of day 1 is a massive lurch to defend Dnyarri. If Derrida were mafia (and hence knew Dnyarri's alignment) he would have 0 incentive to protect him at this point at all. Like none. The only rationale that makes sense if Dnyarri flips town is that Derrida's day 1 analysis falls into the naive town 50 percentile. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
sidesprang His filter is very neutral. He discourages the Dnyarri (and in this scenario Dnyarri has flipped scum) vote here: On January 07 2014 21:55 sidesprang wrote: Regarding dnyarri i'm not sold on him being mafia, and not on him being a better lynch either. His first two post were questionable at best, but his third one I really liked. There are only two reasons to lynch a lurker as I see it. 1. There are no clear active mafia candidate 2. You will never be able to read the lurker. I think when he posts some more we will be able to get a read on him, its not like he is posting one liners. And his vote here is somewhat meaningless: On January 07 2014 10:44 sidesprang wrote: Been away most of the day sry. Skimming through the thread now. Came to this. Voting for yourself make it an autovote for me. If you are town please fight for your life, we have everything to gain. If town we will hopefully see it, if scum we will hopefully be more sure you are scum after your defence. ##Vote theDragoon I'll be catching up for a bit, if anyone have any questions feel free to ask I'll be around for a bit. But gonna use some time catching up as a lot have been posted. Hes my second pick for scum #3 | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
This FORCES scum to do the same. You can then pick them apart later in the game. We have like 4 semi lurking town which make this the easiest scum game ever | ||
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