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chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 08 2014 19:57 GMT
#841
ps. The scumminess of Asuna and sidesprang does not depend on Dnyarri or Derrida. I find the way both voted suspicious in a vacuum
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 08 2014 20:23 GMT
#842
@Suki:

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 00:46 suki wrote:
The last person I'm going to comment on for now is:

Derrida:

TheDragoon: null for me so far. Suspiciously null perhaps? Alert level: YELLOW


@thedragoon, you just leaped from an /offtopic discussion to an /ontopic demagogy by your "You will all see when I get lynched tomorrow that this "distancing theory" is completely dumbfounded" line. This is somewhat suspicious.


Fine, I will not further derail the thread about the value of voting, but I still think it's pointless. This just means that if the deadline was 2 minutes from now, I would vote like this.

## Vote TheDragoon

Off to sleep, afk for 8ish hours.


This is a pretty big leap. I don't care about vote order or the fact that he votes theDragoon explaining that 'if the vote was 2 minutes from now, I would vote [for him]'. What stands out to me is that he has theDragoon initially as 'suspiciously' yellow, and me and sidesprang as red, and yet he votes for theDragoon.

I'm not liking the line 'This is somewhat suspicious' in the second quote. It feels too careful.

When called out for his vote on theDragoon, he points out that the lynch is a win-win situation because if theDragoon flips town, then I look more suspicious.

I still see your lynch as a win-win situation this morning, with the possible further upside of providing further information on Suki if you flip townie (who was RED ALERT status on my initial list).


He follows up later on after theDragoon's final comment on me: "Quite the change of heart from bold "lynch me and you will see Suki as scum" to "I'm thinking she is town as well."

I feel that Derrida's early game is just full of noise and can be explained by inexperience, but I'm not liking his more recent play and am inclined to read him as more scummy than neutral.

to Derrida:
Who are your top scum reads at this point? Am I even more red now, now that theDragoon has flipped?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.



I wanted to observe the behavior of my two initial “red flagged” suspects in their natural habitat without any pressure on them. Besides, I do not like voting in a way that makes your vote insignificant, and as I have expressed numerous times I considered Dragoon’s lynch a “win-win” situation at the time. If I was around at the time of Dragoon’s latest post before he gets lynched, I would have switched my vote not to Dnyarri, but to Sidesprang for reasons I also elaborated earlier:

On a side note, Sidesprang's filter is stil ringing all kinds of alarm bells for me. AFK for 24+ hours, comes in to vote Dragoon with a justification similar to mine, then just pokes at Dragoon some wishy-washy questions that do not contribute anything to the discussion.


My concerns about Sidesprang continue in the post-lynch period given his lack of analysis once again. Something is just not right, he comes in for a short paragraph, asks Dnyarri about the switch, and poof, he’s gone once again. He is my currently third scum candidate.

Regarding you, I still have my doubts. You were so adamant that Dragoon would turn scum before lynch and defended your position vs. Balla (here it is once again weird that Balla questions your level of clarity but does not switch his vote before lynch even after Dragoons final post). I would like to hear where you think your analysis have failed regarding Dragoon being a scum, and what are the implications of this. You are still a "red flag" but I have higher priorities right now in the form of Balla, Jonny as top 2 scums, and Sidesprang as the inactive third lurker.

Jonny, in his four pages of talks, does not talk about Sidesprang ONCE.

Balla does not have anything either. Just look at this:

Would totally lynch sidesprang for lurking if I didn't feel like i had some good scum reads btw, just as a backup..


For sidesprang, i keep flip flopping on him


Balla then once again mentions Sidesprang for lurking, but shifts the debate towards me and Sidesprang is off Balla’s mighty hook just that easy. Balla does not have a read/analysis on Sidesprang in his 12 pages of posts. What.the.hell? What happened to his initial proposed policy of lynching lurkers to make it harder for scums to lurk?
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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 08 2014 20:26 GMT
#843
On January 07 2014 18:50 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 18:46 JonnyLaw wrote:
That's what I've always said in the newb games as well. It worked. We caught the lurkers later.
you have certainly taught me well.

these lurkers aren't even half as bad as we had in that first game either... I guess I shouldn't be worried about it... especially since sidesprang is definitely making enough of a contribution to read him


Yet, does not post a read on Sidesprang.
#1 Grubby Fan.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#844
The silence is deafening
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
January 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#845
[image loading]


Day 2




The night was restless. Inhabitants of Petrograd heard occasional gunshots and screams, but most did not dare venture outside to see what was the cause. Come morning, the body of Derrida was seen lying on Nevsky Prospekt.

As the body was moved, a paper fell from his pocket. A curious youth picked it up.

'Hey, what's this? It looks like White sabotage plans!'
'Oh, you're right, it does. He must've been a White spy!'
'Serves him right, being shot!'

The body was unceremoniously dumped into a mass grave and people went on about their daily life.

Some time later, it was realized that no one had seen JonnyLaw since last night. A search party was hastily arranged, and the body was found floating in the river Neva.



JonnyLaw the Bolshevik Revolutionary (Vanilla Townie) has died!
Derrida the White Conspirator (Mafia Goon) has died!



The day ends Friday, Jan 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:02 GMT
#846
Sweet! Good shot whoever the cop/vig is.
|=| Bonkers |=|
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 08 2014 22:03 GMT
#847
you mean SK
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 08 2014 22:03 GMT
#848
Good shot OWB
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 08 2014 22:04 GMT
#849
I jest
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:04 GMT
#850
Nope... it was me 1 shot vig
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:06 GMT
#851
Im sad jonny is dead i luv u man ride or die
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 08 2014 22:08 GMT
#852
Awww, good bye all, I did enjoy my first game, I wish it lasted longer. Was an awesome learning experience for me, have fun! Thank you LoneMeow for hosting
#1 Grubby Fan.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:09 GMT
#853
I really don't get why they killed Jonny after Derrida put out the Me/Jonny scumteam... doesn't make sense...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:10 GMT
#854
Was anybody role blocked?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:11 GMT
#855
If you were just say you were RB'ed and that's it. You should 100% say that if you were RB'ed, there's no reason to hide it and it gives us more information about the setup.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 08 2014 22:18 GMT
#856
Damn, guess Derrida's play really was scum and not just bad town. Bad read on my part. Time to reread some filters I guess.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 08 2014 22:25 GMT
#857
Why did you think he was bad town? You didn't really say..
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 08 2014 22:37 GMT
#858
His play reminded me a lot of my first couple games where I made a lot of mistakes. Especially just jumping into the game with a huge info dump. When I first played I thought it was always better to post more information but now I know more reads aren't always better. I guess his play just didn't come off as overly scummy to me. Although, I agree this post did come off very ham-fisted and should have raised more red flags.

Gonna be AFK for a bit.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#859
Looking through Derrida's feed I can see a lot of posturing but not a lot of actual pressure on other players. Good find Balla. But I'm not sure where to start analysing who the other scum might be. His initial post could be useful as he indicates his positions overtly, yet his other lengthy post here is probably a better start.

[quote]But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes. [/q]

This is obvious an attempt at eroding Town confidence in Balla who has since role claimed so i'm pretty sure we can add Balla with chinstrap in our confirmed town.

So apart from confirming that Balla24 is a town, what else can we learn from Derrida's death? He hasn't really posted alot about other players.
|=| Bonkers |=|
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#860
sorry about the crappy formatting there. the quote should be:

But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes.
|=| Bonkers |=|
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