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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
On January 08 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote: That's only true if dnyarri and balla are both town. If they're both scum you realize balla controlled the last vote needed to lynch dnyarri right? If dnyarri's scum it doesn't necessarily mean balla is scum, he could be mistaken but it points in that direction. My point is that if they are both scum that is the most retarded post I have ever seen in my life. There were 30 seconds left, so you are risking dnyarri flipping scum and making you like like nailed on scum for the MINUTE CHANCE that shouting On January 08 2014 06:58 Balla24 wrote: NO FUCK OFF YOU GUYS Swings a vote that scum will win in 30 seconds anyway. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
I am going to try my best to give you guys a confirmed town perspective on this clusterfuck before my inevitable death tonight. I will be keeping my opinions and comment to myself until ~ the deadline however as I talk too much and would like to hear all of our opinions on what just went down and why. Just to reiterate in bold - IF YOU HAVE ANY BULLETS SHOOT THE LURKERS If you don't want to take a hit fro a gat like your man chinstrap, don't lurk! | ||
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BigDad
67 Posts
Those last minute vote swaps have me curious. Overall I'm with chinstrap, shoot off dnyarri - he is the epitome of lurker and has atleast half of our votes anyway. No point wasting another day on him if we can help it. question - do we lynch another scum during night phase? | ||
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BigDad
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Suddenly out of the blue we start switching to dynarri. What's wrong with that as town is as we started switching was that if dragoon HAD BEEN SCUM it would have been so easy to save him. Nobody was really giving a real reason AT DEADLINE to switch to him, which would have made it SOOO freaking easy to save dragoon. That's why I was freaking out. Now after the lynch.. to me it was fucking sketchy that people tried to do that. Could be trying to appear better by using information bias to your advantage. Most likely not though, since it wasn't very calculated, sudden and from those player's POV it doesn't really make sense for them as scum... nobody was calling them out too hard for pushing dragoon so don't really see why they would want to grab towncred. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
After reading theDragoon's final post, I really feel that it's full of such sincere towniness that switching the vote to the next scummiest candidate was a good move, rather than lynching a townie. I think if dnyarri turns out to be scum, it pretty much clears the names of Jonny and OWB who switched at the last minute to prevent a mislynch. I don't agree that Balla looks scummy for "NO FUCK OFF YOU GUYS", because when I hopped in at the last minute and saw people were jumping off theDragoon that was my exact thought as well. I also agree with chinstrap's analysis that it doesn't make sense for Balla to say that if dnyarri and him are scumbuddies, as a switch was looking extremely likely at that point. Going forward I'm going to be looking in detail at the events of Day 1 and re-analyzing my reads. I've got a splitting headache so I don't know if I'll get it out tonight, and I really want to be thorough. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:06 Balla24 wrote: if dragoon HAD BEEN SCUM it would have been so easy to save him. My problem with this idea is that if it really was a scum plan, he would have at least posted this an hour, and probably a few hours before the deadline. I think the fact that it was so last minute that there was no possible scum motive for posting that kind of goodbye post was what triggered Jonny and OWB to make the instant decision to switch. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:12 suki wrote: My problem with this idea is that if it really was a scum plan, he would have at least posted this an hour, and probably a few hours before the deadline. I think the fact that it was so last minute that there was no possible scum motive for posting that kind of goodbye post was what triggered Jonny and OWB to make the instant decision to switch. On January 08 2014 06:44 JonnyLaw wrote: Ugh, just realized dnyarri was the first vote on dragoon. Fuck, sorry I got here so late. We done screwed up. ##unvote ##vote: dnyarri I think Jonny made it pretty clear why he switched, and it's not for the reason you gave. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
This explains why he voted dnyarri, but my impression is that the sincerity and timing of theDragoon's goodbye post had a lot of meaning as to why the decision to switch at the last minute was made. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
Oh oops. I thought suki was referring to this post, not this one. My bad. I take back "it's not for the reason you gave". Still, I think he post does make it clear that his vote is also based on dnyarri's vote, which suki completely failed to mention. And I want to ask you On January 08 2014 06:45 Balla24 wrote: How the fuck is dnyarri's vote even relevant? Dnyarri's vote meant that there was a relationship between dnyarri's alignment and Dragoon's alignment: the almost certainly weren't both scum. How is that not relevant? | ||
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Day_Walker
104 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Look, we basically all agreed that there was scum in the vote already. Just because someone was voting for dragoon wasn't alignment indicative at that point. So dnyarri's vote specifically being the first didn't mean anything to me, especially since it was off of a crappy case. Again though, I was heated already at that point. There's definitely some dumb shit i said at the deadline... | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
I want to hear everyone's in depth analysis of what went down day 1. No constructive input by the end of the night = scummy as fuck. We it is highly unlikely town has enough kp to shoot the ~5 lurkers we have. Prove your townyness and help the town by posting your day 1 summary and reads PLEASE | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Yerrida's play has been off from a town perspective. He enters with that post analyzing everyone. The reads don't really say anything. It's trying to show town participation while not helping move the game forward. Then he basically just calls other reads bad and sheeps DW hard. Why sheep DW then not vote with him on dnyarri? Derrida's play just doesn't make sense to me. Read these posts and let me know what you think because I'm flabbergasted after reviewing it for a while now. On a side note, Sidesprang's filter is stil ringing all kinds of alarm bells for me. AFK for 24+ hours, comes in to vote Dragoon with a justification similar to mine, then just pokes at Dragoon some wishy-washy questions that do not contribute anything to the discussion. If Dragoon is lynched and turns out Mafia, I would bet my house on Sidesprang to be Mafia as well, dat bus It's not even an accusation. It's more like ss agrees with him so he must be scum? What the hell is that post? Then these two posts. On January 07 2014 08:45 Derrida wrote: Fine, I will not further derail the thread about the value of voting, but I still think it's pointless. This just means that if the deadline was 2 minutes from now, I would vote like this. ## Vote TheDragoon Off to sleep, afk for 8ish hours. On January 07 2014 19:33 Derrida wrote: @Anyone online, what do you think about Asuna, TheChyz, and BigDad not having an active vote? | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
BigDad: I know most people have a town read on him, but after theDragoon's lynch I want to ask people to have a closer look at him because I still think his early wishy-washiness is a scum tell. Also of note is that he was one of the people that pushed the Day_Walker/theDragoon scum buddy theory. Here is the post, with parts bolded for emphasis: On January 06 2014 20:30 BigDad wrote: As secondary evidence, i find theDragoons trust in him to be slightly incriminating... I already have my doubts about theDragoon as expressed earlier, however in this reply he off-handedly indicates his trust towards Day_Walker and jumps on the initial theChyz bandwagon. I am wary of sly indicators of trust before a paragraph of 'fluff' or 'waffle' (read the quote, it makes little sense) as it is easy as a reader to think "That sounded solid, I trust that guy" without a second thought. Asuna seems to have good intentions. Day_Walker and theDragoon seem scummy. I never believed that Day_Walker and theDragoon were scumbuddies so I never gave the theory any thought, however looking at 'Day_Walker seems to have good intentions... I agree that theChyz is suspicious', I think it really is a stretch to call that a 'sly indicator of trust'. I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. Look at his posts (and my previous posts on him). I'll state it again he tends to dodge questions and post fluff that we cannot use to hunt scum. His self-vote is confusing; it's either a desperate, last-ditch attempt by a scum player to make us doubt our actions. Or it's a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself and he needs to post more content to get the bandwagon off him. I called him out for being wishy-washy on this statement. If he's so sure that theDragoon is an easy scum pick, why does he have to include analysis on what it means if theDragoon is town? My reads for suspicious player currently stand against Dnyarri and theDragoon with less doubt on Day_Walker for his pro-town stance on lynching those who aren't contributing. My thoughts on BigDad's play is that he was supporting a Dragoon lynch, with the plan of following up by lynching Day_Walker. He eases off Day_Walker because he notices people are starting to agree that Day_Walker is looking suspicious. Maybe other people don't see it, and maybe I'm tunneling BigDad a bit too hard (I admit, he hasn't responded to my pressure at all which is more townie than scummy), but the way he flips back and forth in his first few posts really feels off to me. Couple that with our insight on the tD/DW scum buddy theory, makes me think people need to look at him a little closer. | ||
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