EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 374
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Onegu
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LoneMeow
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On December 04 2013 23:40 Onegu wrote: Sorry my son was admitted into the hospital today, I will catch up in a bit. I am really feeling a hopeless or holyflare lynch, I need ro think about pandain somemore at this point... What about Coagulation? You gave him a town read earlier, are you still confident in that? Do you have any specific reasons why you thought he is town? | ||
Hopeless1der
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On December 04 2013 12:44 Grackaroni wrote: Could you not waste your vote? We've all seen your Pandain case and it hasn't convinced anybody. Pandain has posted a lot of things since then so either write something new on Pandain or vote someone reasonable. Cool story. My lynch candidate is leading the votes. My vote is also on scum, so its not being wasted. If you want to talk about how you think Pandain is town, I'd like to hear it. This goes for anyone. On December 04 2013 16:08 Alakaslam wrote: ##Vote: Hopeless1der Yes, but why? Why do people believe Pandain is a vet? At this point, he's never going to be nk'd, either because he is in fact a vet or because he is scum. Austin will always eat a bullet before Pandain does. His role cannot self confirm. His claim regarding his role have come under very scummy circumstances, including calling SS a liar to the thread that could have gotten SS lynched. I'm posting this again. If you read it, I want your comments on what kind of mentality it takes for Pandain to neglect to say anything to me for over a day in mason chat: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 12:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Well thats a cool story. I'll be waiting....until then, maybe someone else can explain why Pandain wanted to mason me? Or maybe you can just lynch him? Or both, whatever, your call. Someone take a look at this: Okay now check out the time on Message #1 in the mason chat: + Show Spoiler + 6 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:43 PM ET (US) jk 5 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back. 4 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) yes 3 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) lol 2 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:24 PM ET (US) oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it? 1 marvellosity 11-21-2013 05:02 PM ET (US) Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3 When you're done think about why Pandain does that as either town or mafia->+ Show Spoiler + I cant think of a town motive to start a mason chat and have nothing to say at the start of it, and I know there doesn't seem to be a scum motive either, but in the absence of ANY motivation I default to scum playing WIFOM games to mess with people. Thoughts? Short version of spoiler: Pandain masons me within minutes of being called out for his ninja vote on Rayn, proceeds to do NOTHING in mason chat despite his assertion in recent mason chat with Onegu that he wanted to "determine my alignement" He didnt do anything. Granted, I wasn't the most responsive, but he masoned me. Shouldnt he want to talk? Try to get me to say something? Out me to the thread saying I'm uncooperative and its scummy? He does none of this and just ignored the mason chat. I had an existing scumread on him, he makes no attempt to change my mind. Doesn't offer any of his own opinions. | ||
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Onegu
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On December 04 2013 08:37 Grackaroni wrote: Onegu can you walk me through your thought process of wanting to lynch Risen after the BC/Rayne flip. You liked his responses at the deadline and then just sheeped Supersoft the next day. Was the vote purely for the flip information? Liked his post realized it could habe been wifom, I should have voted him the previous day, me not voteing him got my town read rayn lynched, he needed to be lynched or there would always be to many questions surrounding him. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 30 2013 14:35 Onegu wrote: Your case is based on BC connections, which dont matter much as scum can give whatever reads they want to who ever they want. Coag thinking BC is town, I did also (I am town) Then because coag didnt mention things like risen, yeah he was talking about doing a vote switch onto risen be cause risen was close to rayn in votes, not because he has a scum read on him. Amd on the thrwan thing look at the ammount of time in between posts, he can change his reads when over 24 hours had passed and austin came out with his thrawn case. Here is where I debunk HF case on him. There isnt alot to go on and I dont think the thrawn vote from him was a bus. I could be wrong but I think there are better lynches for today. | ||
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Onegu
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Onegu
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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On December 05 2013 02:20 Onegu wrote: Holyflare are you here, why am I not in the list of people you dont want to lynch today? I liked your increase in activity the past few days it seemed transparent and you interacted well in mason with pandain so I'm somewhat off you for now compared to the others. | ||
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Pandain
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Hopeless, my claim has already been discussed. There's nothing scummy about it and literally no way any of us would have gotten lynched. I think you need to look at other people. Look at my masonship with BC, it's pretty obvious it's a town-scum relationship. I'm not that good or that committed to masoning a scum with that kind of fake effort. Coagulation is the kind of guy who if we don't lynch, then after the game we'll slap our foreheads and be like why didn't we lynch him. I say keep it simple and lynch the most useless player here in a game where clearly lurkers are dominating. | ||
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Onegu
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On December 04 2013 11:51 Grackaroni wrote: I want to lynch Onegu. He hasn't pushed any scum all game long. Town on Mocsta for having a clear process. Town on BC for good posts. Pushed Risen over Thrawn Day 3. His reads on HF never changes. HF has a 24 page filter and he calls him scum all game long because he made a kind of strange post about Lonemeow. There is nothing in HF's filter that ever makes him reconsider his read or motivates him to write new points, yet he is so convinced that HF is scum that he is basing scum reads on other people off of HF being scum. His read on Koshi is also very scummy This reasoning is basically just omgus. Would Koshi really be more likely to complain about Onegu's inactivity as scum than as town? I don't get a good feeling from the way that Onegu speaks with Rayn. He was buddying Rayn really hard. He gave Rayn a super strong town read all game and had mainly focused so far on just throwing in a bit of support to Rayn's case on HF. I think he is trying to manipulate Rayn into tunneling Koshi here. In the end Onegu backs out from posting his read on Koshi. It was clear that going after Koshi would have been a very unpopular push. It's unlikely that he really changed his mind at all from rereading Koshi's filter because as soon as Rayn dies he starts up with the exact same push on Koshi once again. He also has no qualms voting people by himself because he switches off Risen later in the day to Austin and he was the sole Austin voter. As soon as Rayn flips he goes right back to calling Koshi scum once again. The only thing that has changed since his reread is that people are annoyed that Koshi lynched town Rayn. He still is never able to write out a comprehensive case for Koshi being scum after all that time. More importantly, I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Onegu's thought process for Risen being scum. Onegu likes Risen's posts near the deadline and chooses to unvote. The next day Onegu sheeps SS on Risen. The best reasoning given for Risen being scum was his meta. He can be useful as town and did nothing. He had an attitude of not giving a shit all game long and then when he got on the chopping block he became super invested. (doesn't really line up). SS added in some connections with BC. However, when Onegu wanted to convince Rayn that Mocsta's filter didn't prevent me from being scum he said that connections weren't important. Onegu has claimed that he does not let connections make much of an influence in his reads and he thought that Risen made good posts near the deadline so he really had absolutely zero valid reasoning for Risen being scum. Let's lynch Scum ##Vote: Onegu Yeah none of this makes me scum. Still have a scum read on HF, I can read rayn and koshi pushing him for non scummy reasons was scummy. Also me unvoteing risen and the voteing him the next day isnt scummy, what scum motivation is there to do that? There isnt. | ||
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Onegu
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Onegu
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Holyflare
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Pandain
United States12980 Posts
I guess I just don't know where you stand Holy. For instance you aren't now campaigning for a specific person; haven't even voted for anyone. It's like you're just cruising. It's unnerving to me. | ||
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Onegu
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On December 05 2013 02:34 Holyflare wrote: I don't really get how people can have me as a scum read but then agree with every single one of my targets.... -.- I disagree with coag, trying to figure out hopeless, and slam is slam. Anyway maybe you arent scum but I still have it at greater than fifty percent. | ||
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Holyflare
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Onegu
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Grackaroni
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On December 05 2013 02:24 Onegu wrote: Yeah none of this makes me scum. Still have a scum read on HF, I can read rayn and koshi pushing him for non scummy reasons was scummy. Also me unvoteing risen and the voteing him the next day isnt scummy, what scum motivation is there to do that? There isnt. There could be scum motivation there. You could have preferred a Pandain lynch to a Risen lynch. Of course it's also possible that you just thought Risen's posts looked good. But there was no massive case on Risen from SS; the most that SS did was give some connections to BC. There is no explanation for why you were content with sheeping that lynch if you liked Risen's posts earlier. You keep saying the same thing. "whoops I should have lynched Risen because it would have saved Rayn", but that doesn't explain why you want to kill him the next day over the people you felt were scummier and weren't making good posts at the deadline. As for Koshi, the way you approached it was scummy. You could have come out with a big case on Koshi and pushed for Koshi but instead you test the waters. When Rayn says no to lynching Koshi you back down. Your reasoning for backing down doesn't make sense from a town perspective because you don't actually care about being alone on a wagon and you start attacking Koshi again for the same reasons after Rayn is dead (despite changing your mind earlier from reading his filter) Why is HF scum? You haven't quoted any thing recently to defend that and it's unreasonable to still believe that off of those LM posts from the start of the game. | ||
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Grackaroni
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