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Holyflare
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+ Show Spoiler + HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 12-04-2013 02:03 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Gimme your reads that you have  4 Alakaslam 12-04-2013 01:39 PM ET (US) Hello sir, I saw the pm notice in my inbox and was all like "Pandain finally wants to chat... Hoo boy!" Well, you aren't pandain, but I will tell you I :D on seeing your name. I can be a little more comfortable here. In thread there is some concern. I am in damage control mode. We are too close to lylo for me to lynch myself out, so that is done. However, I am very odd in some ways I have found. 1: I like to try and "game the system". This can have odd results. 2: I am horrible at explaining myself and forming reads. Yet, I am capable of establishing town status very quickly (see: THIS GAME) and losing it just as fast (see: oh please). 3: I can switch from Spock like behavior (<3 KadaverBB) to LOONY CHUPAZISLAMPHEEEESH at the flip I the proverbial switch, however, assume said switch has a powerful magnet at "CHUPAZI" and a magnetic switch tip. Still, this can be very useful. 4: I don't like to divulge my secrets. I have enjoyed surprising (even to me) success as scum. I can survive being everyone's scum read it seems, but only when they are right. I they are wrong I am clueless to avoid a mislynch, I just spam the honest truth and hope it works. It hasn't yet. Also, I have rolled blue significantly more often than vt. In fact I have an equal scum-vt game ratio so far I think. Anyway, this means I am almost foriegn to vt play. Blue games are more memorable and scum games? It's my favorite roll. So here? I am vt. But it will be difficult for anyone to discover this I think, which is why I martyred. Can't really remember what els oh yeah you are in UK I am in California, I think the only way our time zones could be any more different would be if I was Hawaiian. K well I check QT much more often than thread, it just feels toxic in there. I have a bazillion town reads. 3 HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 12-04-2013 12:47 PM ET (US) Where you atttt?  i want to find out who you are!2 HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 12-04-2013 05:39 AM ET (US) Hai! 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 12-04-2013 05:26 AM ET (US) Holyflare + Alakaslam mason Day 7/Night 7 | ||
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austinmcc
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Holyflare
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Grackaroni
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On December 05 2013 07:47 austinmcc wrote: Right? Onegu has been picking two fights this game. Calling HF scummy and LM townie as part of that, and calling rayn townie and sometimes koshi has looked scummy for going after rayn (Onegu's koshi read seems to fluctuate with koshi's rayn read). If you're scumOnegu, one of the guys you've been pushing as mafia just exploded into activity to lynch a dude you're calling town, and you KNOW is town. You can freely double down, your Koshi read keeps flopping, but rayn is SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN (to onegu) at this point, and koshi should know that, so Koshi's attempt to lynch him shows 100000% that koshi is mafia and probably that Pandain or Risen is mafia, and Koshi is trying to push votes away. Bing bang boom. I guess they didn't know whether rayn would get the votes or not, but scumOnegu could have seriously pushed Koshi. The counterargument is....any Onegu should have pushed Koshi? That scum or town, Koshi pushing rayn = scumkoshi to onegu, and he should have hammered that, trying to save his townreads in BC and rayn and trying to push Koshi as a doodyhead. I think what is more telling is the way that he pushed Koshi. He mostly just sits back and tries to direct Rayn to tunnel people for him instead of posting his own case and putting himself out there against Koshi. Mafia can and, in my opinion, often do have static reads. BC is supposed to be really good at scum and he had pretty much the same reads all game long with the exception of adding on Mig to his scum list on day three for shooting the doctor. | ||
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austinmcc
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I haven't seen him be this downtrodden and martyry and whatnot, especially once the people he was really fighting with in thread were deadified. But there's still a couple things in his filter that bug me if he's scum. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 05 2013 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: I mean, static reads are fine. That's the problem.I think what is more telling is the way that he pushed Koshi. He mostly just sits back and tries to direct Rayn to tunnel people for him instead of posting his own case and putting himself out there against Koshi. Mafia can and, in my opinion, often do have static reads. BC is supposed to be really good at scum and he had pretty much the same reads all game long with the exception of adding on Mig to his scum list on day three for shooting the doctor. Onegu COULD HAVE kept this static read going. He could have HAMMERED koshi for pushing a guy that he knew would flip town (either by lynch or shortly by NK, as rayn was very active). But instead, he's fine dropping koshi and voting me. When he's in the clear to keep his static read AND knows Koshi is about to look very scummy, he's willing to swap his vote. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:02 austinmcc wrote: I mean, static reads are fine. That's the problem. Onegu COULD HAVE kept this static read going. He could have HAMMERED koshi for pushing a guy that he knew would flip town (either by lynch or shortly by NK, as rayn was very active). But instead, he's fine dropping koshi and voting me. When he's in the clear to keep his static read AND knows Koshi is about to look very scummy, he's willing to swap his vote. He moved off Risen for having good posts at the deadline (easy lynch for another day) to somebody who was never going to get lynched that day. people didn't agree with koshi being scum for pushing Rayn so he rereads Koshi's filter and changes his mind and states that he wants to make his vote matter (Later moves on to you by himself so he doesn't do that). The next day when people were angry Koshi lynched Rayn and were voting Risen his suspicion goes right back to Koshi and Risen. | ||
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austinmcc
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Who was on risen early, ESPECIALLY if they were on because SS said so, and then swapped to thrawn, and maybe didn't have great reasoning on either? WTB TIME | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 05 2013 08:09 Grackaroni wrote: I know. It's the swapping off Koshi on D3 AT ALL that confuses me. Whether people agreed or disagreed on koshi, rayn was either going to be dead or ALMOST be dead (and probably killed shortly after), adding fuel to his Koshi fire.He moved off Risen for having good posts at the deadline (easy lynch for another day) to somebody who was never going to get lynched that day. people didn't agree with koshi being scum for pushing Rayn so he rereads Koshi's filter and changes his mind and states that he wants to make his vote matter (Later moves on to you by himself so he doesn't do that). The next day when people were angry Koshi lynched Rayn and were voting Risen his suspicion goes right back to Koshi and Risen. But he no do. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:04 Holyflare wrote: It doesn't matter what he's done in another game because the situations do not translate. Risen was just literally told he was beind bad by martyring and straight up the next day slam does the same thing. He can't even explain his vote off thrawn onto VA. I don't really care about that vote because it was totally inconsequential. If anything I would say scum would be less likely to jump off the train like that knowing Thrawn would flip. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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On December 05 2013 08:12 austinmcc wrote: I know. It's the swapping off Koshi on D3 AT ALL that confuses me. Whether people agreed or disagreed on koshi, rayn was either going to be dead or ALMOST be dead (and probably killed shortly after), adding fuel to his Koshi fire. But he no do. I guess he could have stayed on Koshi but his reason for switching off him is inconsistent and Rayn wasn't actually as far up in the vote list during that attack so it is possible that he was worried about Rayn. | ||
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austinmcc
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It was after thrawn was already getting lynched. So slam......sees that thrawn is going to die, doesn't want to be left off for cred? Moreover, he jumps on the dude that he gets told to jump on? (He asks in thread, someone (i forget who) says thrawn, he votes thrawn). Then he jumps off later to.......not shenanigans, cuz ain't no shenanigans happened. So either it's aborted shenanigans and he got stuck having already swapped a vote. or He's...compounding his looking bad by not voting thrawn by jumping on/off, making himself a very very curious voter for that time or He's ... town? I don't see a case in which it makes sense for scum to hop on late and then hop off and look REALLY WEIRD while doing it. And not "slam is doing something weird," but scumSlam sees thrawn getting lynched and wants cred so he hops on but then he hops off and nothing happens after he hops off weird. | ||
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