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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 04 2013 23:31 GMT
#7521
I was more aiming at the aborted shenanigans option, I'd be totally fine if he explained wtf was going through his mind BUT HE WONT DO IT.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2013 23:36 GMT
#7522
But the START of his shenanigans, iirc, was him coming in and asking who to vote for.

If he's mafia...why does he come in and ask who to vote for?

If he's mafia...when someone says thrawn, he doesn't hedge AT ALL? He just hops on thrawn?


And then...swaps off later because he goes OH MAN I FORGOT THRAWN IS MY BUDDY AND WE'LL LOSE A KP BUT I CAN'T SAVE HIM ANYWAY!

I don't get that.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2013 23:41 GMT
#7523
Thrawn's last day is him attacking onegu, then when I question him further on onegu, giving up that scum read.

He attacks grack for a while, lotta posts between them, and a decent amount of posts between onegu/thrawn and pandain/thrawn.

THOUGHT: If thrawn looks to be gaining ground, scum can distance on this day and can also interact with him and whatever

THOUGHT: If thrawn thinks he might be looking bad, he attacks a scumbuddy, so that when/if he's lynched, maybe scumbuddy looks worse.

THOUGHT: That's all thoughts and we don't know

STILL THOUGH: That makes onegu seem slightly more town? If he's attacking a scumbuddy, it's for distancing. Him calling onegu scum and then saying no, onegu probably not scum, makes no sense if onegu is scum?

ANOTHER THOUGHT:
On November 24 2013 16:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 16:39 Pandain wrote:
Thrawn would you be up for lynching Coag?


no i don't think so... besides that he's low priority for me atm

I don't like this.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 04 2013 23:47 GMT
#7524
Also looking into the Risen early vote thing after SS's death.

You have coag who makes the if i die post saying lynch oats or thrawn and then posts:

On November 24 2013 10:05 Coagulation wrote:
im vt

##vote: Risen


on the page right after.

Pandain too:

On November 24 2013 10:19 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft wasn't going to change his mind. So if he was wrong, why wouldn't they just let him be?

Lynch Risen


also makes a really shoddy case here:

On November 24 2013 16:08 Pandain wrote:
Here's why I think Risen is scum:

1. Martying. Vayne, you hate martyrs. Now factor in the fact that it's Risen who is known to be really stubborn and play against odds(alone in WHC), and his solution is to ask for a town vig despite the fact that two have already been revealed?
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:08 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And once again your appeals to "that would be crazy!" are horrible if you're town, horrible if you're scum. Get on my level kids. World Heavyweight Champion OUT!

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


2. He thinks I'm mafia. I was pretty easy lynch-bait because I was quiet, but there weren't any real good reasons for voting me; at least not that he brought up. His arguments were trash and based around SS logs, which didn't make any sense.
This post so bad
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 16:56 Risen wrote:
Gut read. Haven't really read the thread. Scum did a good job clogging it up. I'll read up tomorrow and back up my gut read. Sum of the gut is pandain's interaction with people.


3.
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:22 Risen wrote:
Pandain #1 scum read
Grack policy lynch

I can be convinced to vote for someone not pandain (though I'll have to see something more) but will not be unvoting Grack..


but then later
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:28 Risen wrote:
Super is probably scum so...


So scum lynch is inferior to policy lynch?





then slam comes in just to say:

On November 25 2013 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Risen seems like he will be lynched.

Do you want to give your reads as you will be confirmed town? Do you like SuperSoft's list?


..........? -.-


Pandain coems back with
On November 25 2013 04:10 Pandain wrote:
Honestly I'm way less confident in Thrawn too. Early in the first two days he was like one of my top town reads. I would be surprised if we was scum because he played extremely well until today. And even so, I could see people having like mini-breakdowns and posting scummy.

Like I would lynch him, but not until way later because I think Coag, Risen, and Oats are all better lynches.


Totally neglected coag lynch when I brought it up at the CC/Oats lynch thing and now wants to lynch coag again today.

On November 25 2013 08:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Everyone voting Risen, if you're town this is unacceptable because SS has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy. BC has proven himself capable of fooling the guy you are sheeping. You can't all be scum, so what gives?


hopeless with the free town defending

On November 25 2013 13:19 Coagulation wrote:
risen or thrawn.

Im down to vote either one honestly. I dont give a shit cause I dont really have a scum read on either.
Oats is my lynch choice but it doesnt look like hes an option and I dont have the energy to try and get him lynched anyway.
and even if I did try I doubt it would be heard over the risen vrs thrawn debate anyway.

so im just gonna keep following along untill I get a sense of whos town and whos scum or just fucking random vote it at last minute.


coag with the oats/thrawn initial death post then voted risen is now IDC WHAT YOU DO LALALALALALAL

THEN

On November 26 2013 01:44 Onegu wrote:
##VOTE RISEN

Supersofts read
I should have killed him last night, basicly it was my unvote that killed rayn

Also HF thinks risen is scum but doesnt vote for him, when he know a risen lynch will get rid alot of questions on BC wifom, in addition to kill scum.

Look here is how I feel right now I laid some stuff down on HF multiple times, I asked for thoughts and even HF called for people to tell me to stfu. Other than HF who I was talkong about, no one else said a word. If I was scum I would be so happy I could just atk someone and look like activity but no one pays attention, but as I am town its really fucking depressing. Im not rayn Im not going to repeatedly shove shit in the thread. But all I hear is HF is town and no one saying a damn thing to me. My post on koshi only thrawn responded. If you think I am wrong give me fucking reasons. Dont just ignore it, I know alot of shit is going on but some people comment on just about everything but my case or thoughts. Austin asks me questions but doesnt actually talk about what I say. He reads it and moves on. Im caught up on everything I have thoughts, they havent changed since yesterday.


onegu just comes back and says he's sheeping SS..................................... then lies that my vote wasn't on risen who i voted the day before when it in fact was.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 04 2013 23:48 GMT
#7525
Austin I mason you
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2013 23:50 GMT
#7526
On December 05 2013 08:48 Pandain wrote:
Austin I mason you

I know, I've just been super absent and don't have that tab open at the moment, I'm not at home. Will pull it up.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 04 2013 23:54 GMT
#7527
On December 05 2013 08:36 austinmcc wrote:
But the START of his shenanigans, iirc, was him coming in and asking who to vote for.

If he's mafia...why does he come in and ask who to vote for?

If he's mafia...when someone says thrawn, he doesn't hedge AT ALL? He just hops on thrawn?


And then...swaps off later because he goes OH MAN I FORGOT THRAWN IS MY BUDDY AND WE'LL LOSE A KP BUT I CAN'T SAVE HIM ANYWAY!

I don't get that.


If he's mafia he comes in and asks to consolidate upon a person, people think he's agreeable and following town sentiment. Thrawn was hammered, there was no changing it unless hardcore shenanigans which may have been planned in QT previously before slam returned. Reads QT and swaps off, people say it is too late and won't do it.

EZ conclusion, obviously wifom as hell but changing to a person who is only 1 vote ahead of the other is not a towny mindset either, that just promotes likely shenanigans instead of deters them!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 04 2013 23:55 GMT
#7528
changing from a person who is only 1 vote ahead of the other to a person with 0 votes*
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2013 23:56 GMT
#7529
On December 05 2013 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 08:36 austinmcc wrote:
But the START of his shenanigans, iirc, was him coming in and asking who to vote for.

If he's mafia...why does he come in and ask who to vote for?

If he's mafia...when someone says thrawn, he doesn't hedge AT ALL? He just hops on thrawn?


And then...swaps off later because he goes OH MAN I FORGOT THRAWN IS MY BUDDY AND WE'LL LOSE A KP BUT I CAN'T SAVE HIM ANYWAY!

I don't get that.


If he's mafia he comes in and asks to consolidate upon a person, people think he's agreeable and following town sentiment. Thrawn was hammered, there was no changing it unless hardcore shenanigans which may have been planned in QT previously before slam returned. Reads QT and swaps off, people say it is too late and won't do it.

EZ conclusion, obviously wifom as hell but changing to a person who is only 1 vote ahead of the other is not a towny mindset either, that just promotes likely shenanigans instead of deters them!
I hate this scenario in the face.

No way does scum come back and just freely ask who to vote without checking the vote thread or QT.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2013 23:57 GMT
#7530
:AJHTLAKJEHTAELKJTHETLKJHET

I DON'T LIKE LONEMEOW'S FILTER WHEN I LOOK THROUGH IT. I LIKED A LOT OF HIS MASON-Y RESPONSES BUT WHEN I LOOK BACK THROUGH OUR LOGS I DO NOT LIKE THEM.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 04 2013 23:58 GMT
#7531
maybe they come up with the plan at the end of the day, who the hell cares, I don't want to focus JUST on this point there are LOADS of things in his filter that don't make sense from a town point of view! Did you even read his mason chat to me? Is that a towny mindset too??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2013 00:01 GMT
#7532
austin wth why did you tell me onegu had a good reason to switch to CC and LM's switch was scummy when onegu's was also really quite terrible.........


On December 02 2013 00:43 Onegu wrote:
For some reason I thought oats voted for BC when I read his filter, now I see he didnt. Plus I have been given good arguements as to why oats is more scummy than Mr. CC who I was planning on voteing.

##VOTE OATSMASTER



On December 02 2013 02:48 Onegu wrote:
All right Im fine with this

##UNVOTE
##VOTE MRCC

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2013 00:02 GMT
#7533
I'm not sure how you went from his top scum read of definitely scum to top town read of will not lynch along with pandain either!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 05 2013 00:03 GMT
#7534
His read on Pandain hopped around, and he was pushing Pandain to me in thread but it felt like for ... weakish reasons?

austinmcc
So you're not a big fan of any of yamato's final reads? This isn't a trap, this is just...he wrote koshi/thrawn if useless/oats. I just want to see if you agree/disagree with them, and it looks like you are town/town/? on those three.

LoneMeow
I don't super agree with them, no. Koshi is the one I'm most afraid of, because if I'm wrong about him and he is actually scum it means I'm probably wrong about a lot of other things.

---

LoneMeow
If you could shoot one person now, before the lynch, who would you shoot? Ie. of the people you find scummy, whose flip do you think would help us figure out the game?

austinmcc
I shoot BC 80000000000000000%.

If BC is mafia, oats is not, and people get off his nuts. If BC is mafia, grack is VERY VERY VERY likely town. I think. Maybe. It also makes thrawn look much worse for his saying BC's take on the mocsta/grack interactions so sexy. Also very telling of mig's alignment, scum BC = 99.999% town mig.

I think BC is a lynchpin here and...needs to get lynched?

austinmcc
Yourself?

LoneMeow
I'd be very tempted to shoot supersoft. His flip would be very useful, but I'm still not very satisfied that he actually is scum.

BloodyC0bbler isn't a bad choice either, I just can't get any kind of read on him, everything he says seems like it could come from either alignment. I suspect it would help if I had played with him before.

--

austinmcc
In your mind, what does supersoft's flip say about people? Both town and scum flips.

LoneMeow
If he'd flip scum then Alakaslam, BloodyC0bbler and Holyflare would all look bad.

if he'd flip town, then Koshi and you would look interesting. Possibly also Oatsmaster.

--

austinmcc
What do you make of thrawn being active in another game but not this one?

LoneMeow
Really weird. But wouldn't it be kind of stupid to intentionally do that as scum?

--

I brought up thrawn a bunch of times in our mason chat and he never talks about thrawn at all basically. He avoids it hard. I do not liiiike
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2013 00:06 GMT
#7535
Onegu also defend coag like a crazy mofo!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 05 2013 00:13 GMT
#7536
On December 05 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
austin wth why did you tell me onegu had a good reason to switch to CC and LM's switch was scummy when onegu's was also really quite terrible.........


Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 00:43 Onegu wrote:
For some reason I thought oats voted for BC when I read his filter, now I see he didnt. Plus I have been given good arguements as to why oats is more scummy than Mr. CC who I was planning on voteing.

##VOTE OATSMASTER



Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 02:48 Onegu wrote:
All right Im fine with this

##UNVOTE
##VOTE MRCC

Wut?
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 05 2013 00:16 GMT
#7537
I still find it hard to believe mafia gave up thread presence. For like 3 days or so.

I still find it hard to believe that if Holy was the only one making sense and arguing to lynch lurkers, they shot the utterly useless and still slightly suspicious Vayne(who by the way was suspicious of Holy).

I'm skeptical of Holy's pretty sketchy cases, going after Slam now. He was scum with slam in B2B, no? Where's the comparison. I see 6 pages in Slam's game, 19 in here. And a different playstyle. I don't like Holy's case.

I don't like how he uses defending coag as a scum tell, and yet never pinpoints coag as a lynch. Unless it was basically impossible for him to get lynched.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2013 00:17 GMT
#7538
On December 02 2013 09:09 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, I get it but I just don't get the "feels" that you do :/ I do like meta though but I don't want to actively lynch someone that I got a read on that seems to be opposite to thread sentiment without researching it myself first.


If CC was out of the picture austin who would your alternatives/follow ups be on? I would like to discuss LM's switch to CC too after JUST making a case on oats, what do you think of that?? Onegu is the same judging by the votes although I didn't read his reasoning for a switch.
The alternatives and people to follow up on for me are slam and VA.

I think.

Things are still dying down from thanksgiving here, and I have not had full time the last couple days to work more towards solving things. Slam had a couple curious votes that stood out to me, and from what I recall his filter doesn't have those posts that tickle me townie like coag/oats.

VA is still VA. I still want people to actually read him and see if they can explain his thoughts/actions.

Onegu was, at the very least, set to make some case/points on Cheese. Whether I influenced that or not I dunno, but his vote doesn't come out of the blue.

LM's is funky, and I'm not entirely sold on his townieness, but I don't know that scumLM would mason me and chat that much. # of mafia masons isn't anything to go on. iirc, we also had some mafia bros pointing out LM occasionally? That may be made up. I know CC mentioned him, when saying we lynch mattchew/LM/BC.

austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 05 2013 00:19 GMT
#7539
Oh gotcha. That was for voting CC period. Like...a vote onto CC isn't out of the blue, because he did the EG.Onegu.RC stuff saying he had a case coming and coming and coming and then posted on CC.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 05 2013 00:20 GMT
#7540
On December 05 2013 09:16 Pandain wrote:
I still find it hard to believe mafia gave up thread presence. For like 3 days or so.

I still find it hard to believe that if Holy was the only one making sense and arguing to lynch lurkers, they shot the utterly useless and still slightly suspicious Vayne(who by the way was suspicious of Holy).

I'm skeptical of Holy's pretty sketchy cases, going after Slam now. He was scum with slam in B2B, no? Where's the comparison. I see 6 pages in Slam's game, 19 in here. And a different playstyle. I don't like Holy's case.

I don't like how he uses defending coag as a scum tell, and yet never pinpoints coag as a lynch. Unless it was basically impossible for him to get lynched.


Making sense doesn't make a difference if people aren't listening

VA called me town

Everyone that has died has called me town

Slam REPLACED into b2b which is a MINI game and he played LURKER scum. Please fact check your assumptions.

Onegu's defence of coag was factually incorrect and out of the blue and then he straight up called him town, it is quite clearly not the only point I have brought up on him in my filter, you can read through it if you like or I can requote it all to you if you are too lazy to do it yourself before throwing out accusations.

At least I am trying to establish scum whereas you are doing nothing.
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